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No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

No one besides yourself is responsible for what you put in your mouth?


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Is this true?

I disagree, because food corporations are notorius for deliberately enticing and addicting its client base. This thread isn't calling for any sort of regulation. It's pointing out that food corporations, the food industry, does have some culpability and responsibility in the obesity/unhealthiness epidemic. They're a part of the problem whether they want to admit it or not imo.
 
The only thing they should be responsible for is if i find glass in my cereal... To think I have to have mommy tell me to eat my greens every day is absurd.
 
The only thing they should be responsible for is if i find glass in my cereal... To think I have to have mommy tell me to eat my greens every day is absurd.

What would you say if 80-90% of American adults were obese?
 
People like to think that humans are in absolute control of their behavior and held all responsibility as a result. I am not so sure this is true. If it were true, behavioral influence would never be able to be measured, yet we know it is and is often reliable.
 
What would you say if 80-90% of American adults were obese?
No, 35% of Americans are obese.

I have no problems with you fighting against obesity. Go for information campaigns, open more healthy alternatives that can compete.

But, you have no right to control what I want to do with my body.
 
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People like to think that humans are in absolute control of their behavior and held all responsibility as a result. I am not so sure this is true. If it were true, behavioral influence would never be able to be measured, yet we know it is and is often reliable.

I think genetics play a role.

Bringing another point to the table, I think death is in the things we eat. Food corporations know this but deliberately ensnare and addict people, because they don't care about people's health, but the allmighty dollar.
 
I don't know. Everybody has something that they enjoy. I don't think you can point to a food and say that it is made to be deliberately addicting. How? Because it tastes good to someone, gives them pleasure? I've drank coffee, not addicted. I've eaten McDonalds, not addicted. I've smoked cigarettes, pot, drank alcohol, etc...not addicted. To me addiction stems from some other sort of deficiency which food/drugs masks for a person. It makes them "feel good", but you won't fix "addiction" until you find out what is making them "feel bad".
 
Also, how can you be pro choice, and use the argument that women should control their own bodies, when you simultaneously believe women should not have the right to decide what they want to eat?
 
I think genetics play a role.

Bringing another point to the table, I think death is in the things we eat. Food corporations know this but deliberately ensnare and addict people, because they don't care about people's health, but the allmighty dollar.

Its far more complicated than that. Your statement assumes that people in corps know what they are doing is wrong. Never ever underestimate the power of human self rationalization.
 
No, 35% of Americans are obese.

I have no problems with you fighting against obesity. Go for information campaigns, open more healthy alternatives that can compete.

But, you have no right to control what I want to do with my body.

No. 2/3 of all America adults are obese.

That may change in the future if the problem can't/won't correct itself.

As a side note, it's very interesting how out of 5 times asked, no one has ever tried to answer the question you quoted.
 
No. 2/3 of all America adults are obese.
Incorrect. 2/3 are overweight, but that only means more than 25 in BMI. If you are 1.70 that means you have to weigh only 72 kg. If you have some muscles, you will have more than 25 in BMI, and similarly if you have a small tummy. Obesity is the real problem, and 35% are obese, not 80-90%.
Obesity in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As a side note, it's very interesting how out of 5 times asked, no one has ever tried to answer the question you quoted.
80-90% are not obese, and it's not even close. So why should I think about what I would say to something that would never happen.
 
No. 2/3 of all America adults are obese.

That may change in the future if the problem can't/won't correct itself.

As a side note, it's very interesting how out of 5 times asked, no one has ever tried to answer the question you quoted.

Actually, 2/3 are overweight. about 1/3 are obese. There is a difference in the categories.
 
Is this true?

I disagree, because food corporations are notorius for deliberately enticing and addicting its client base. This thread isn't calling for any sort of regulation. It's pointing out that food corporations, the food industry, does have some culpability and responsibility in the obesity/unhealthiness epidemic. They're a part of the problem whether they want to admit it or not imo.


Unless the food companies are pointing a gun at my head then I am pretty sure I am responsible for what I put into my mouth. Just because you are so simple minded to able to be hypnotized by food commercials doesn't mean everyone else is.
 
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No. 2/3 of all America adults are obese.

That may change in the future if the problem can't/won't correct itself.

As a side note, it's very interesting how out of 5 times asked, no one has ever tried to answer the question you quoted.

Ahem.........

That’s the finding of the latest Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index, which shows that 63.1% of adults in the U.S. were either overweight or obese in 2009.

That was a small but measurable increase from 62.2% the previous year. The survey finds that 36.6% of Americans are overweight and 26.5% obese.
 
The Danes enjoyed a diet rich in pork and dairy products. During the Allied Blockade, Professor Mikkel Hindhede was appointed Food Advisor to the Danish Government, and following his instructions, eighty percent of the pigs and one-sixth of the cattle were slaughtered to save grain. To further save grain, the distillation of spirits was banned, causing shortages of hard liquor as well as beef and pork. The Danes were forced to eat their traditional black rugbrød made from whole rye, enriched with extra wheat bran and barley meal. The bread wasn't light and fluffy; it was dark and hard, but they ate it with lots of greens, potatoes and root vegetables, oatmeal, butter, milk, a little cheese, and fruit, with little or no meat. They didn't have access to liquor at all.

During the lean years, the Danish death rate fell to the lowest ever recorded in a European country [66%-, 34% net decrease [SUP]3[/SUP]] . Hindhede comcluded, "It would seem, then, that the principal cause of death lies in food and drink.
(1)&(2)

(1) Carol Simontacchi, The Crazy Makers, pp19.
(2) Barbara Griggs, The Food Factor (NY: Viking, 1986): pp87 [This source within The Crazy Makers]
(3) Vegetarian News - Vegetarian Experiment with a Population of 3 million
 
Ahem.........

OK. I stand corrected.

Two-thirds of American adults are overweight.

Although recent data suggest that rates of obesity have reached a plateau, current rates of obesity are still alarmingly high. About 34 percent of adults are currently obese, creating a whole host of expensive, chronic health problems, such as cardiovascular disease and diabetes.

The report’s authors said a number of factors could lead to the predicted rise in obesity. About two-thirds of Americans are currently overweight and could continue to gain weight and move into the obese category.

Fat Forecast: 42% of Americans Obese by 2030 - ABC News
 
The Danes enjoyed a diet rich in pork and dairy products. During the Allied Blockade, Professor Mikkel Hindhede was appointed Food Advisor to the Danish Government, and following his instructions, eighty percent of the pigs and one-sixth of the cattle were slaughtered to save grain. To further save grain, the distillation of spirits was banned, causing shortages of hard liquor as well as beef and pork. The Danes were forced to eat their traditional black rugbrød made from whole rye, enriched with extra wheat bran and barley meal. The bread wasn't light and fluffy; it was dark and hard, but they ate it with lots of greens, potatoes and root vegetables, oatmeal, butter, milk, a little cheese, and fruit, with little or no meat. They didn't have access to liquor at all.

During the lean years, the Danish death rate fell to the lowest ever recorded in a European country [66%-, 34% net decrease [SUP]3[/SUP]] . Hindhede comcluded, "It would seem, then, that the principal cause of death lies in food and drink.
(1)&(2)

(1) Carol Simontacchi, The Crazy Makers, pp19.
(2) Barbara Griggs, The Food Factor (NY: Viking, 1986): pp87 [This source within The Crazy Makers]
(3) Vegetarian News - Vegetarian Experiment with a Population of 3 million

So, your point is. Everyone knows that eating healthy will make you live longer, but you have no right to decide what other people eat. It's not your body.

Also, if people live shorter, that means they will get less pensions. If you want to get Americans to eat a more healthy diet, go for information campaigns or open a new fast food brand. The problem is, when food-conscious people want to open healthy alternatives, they normally serve food that most Americans never want.
 
Wake, in other threads you tell me I'm going to hell for what I put in my mouth.
 
Is this true?

I disagree, because food corporations are notorius for deliberately enticing and addicting its client base. This thread isn't calling for any sort of regulation. It's pointing out that food corporations, the food industry, does have some culpability and responsibility in the obesity/unhealthiness epidemic. They're a part of the problem whether they want to admit it or not imo.

I could not agree more with you. It's about sales; and if its safe and attracts money: it's at the top of the list: in a fre market . . . In that way, I sort look at it like the drug market: it's popular, people like it, nobody gets hurt (by and large), so what's the problem?

I would really like to hear from conservatives on my opinion there, becasue, if they agree with the free market concept, then what's wrong with drugs or kids?
 
Individually, we, as consumers, are completely responsible for what we put into our mouths. The food manufacturers, however, are responsible for letting us know exactly what their products are. That is the only kind of regulation that should be used to help combat the growing weight problem in America. There needs to be honestly in what is actually in the foods that we buy. Just like in the Whizzo quality assortment

Milton: It says 'crunchy frog' quite clearly.

Praline: Well, the superintendent thought it was an almond whirl. People won't expect there to be a frog in there. They're bound to think it's some form of mock frog.

Milton: (insulted) Mock frog? We use no artificial preservatives or additives of any kind!

Praline: Nevertheless, I must warn you that in future you should delete the words 'crunchy frog', and replace them with the legend 'crunchy raw unboned real dead frog', if you want to avoid prosecution.

Milton: What about our sales?

Praline: I'm not interested in your sales, I have to protect the general public.

 
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Beyond basic safety, it's nobody's job to make you eat healthy. The government ought to make sure the food is edible, meets minimum standards, etc. but that's where their responsibility ends. If people are obese, then they are 100% personally and financially responsible for their actions.

If they die, so be it.
 
I could not agree more with you. It's about sales; and if its safe and attracts money: it's at the top of the list: in a fre market . . . In that way, I sort look at it like the drug market: it's popular, people like it, nobody gets hurt (by and large), so what's the problem?

I would really like to hear from conservatives on my opinion there, becasue, if they agree with the free market concept, then what's wrong with drugs or kids?
I'm only against the really bad stuff, hence I am in favour of legalizing weed and not in favour of banning or limiting fast food.

But I am still waiting for an explanation on how you combine pro-choice with food regulation. We do not have the right to decide what women will do with their body, even if that means the death of an unborn child. However, you think we have full right to decide what women eat.

That does not make sense to me.
 
Individually, we, as consumers, are completely responsible for what we put into our mouths. The food manufacturers, however, are responsible for letting us know exactly what their products are. That is the only kind of regulation that should be used to help combat the growing weight problem in America. There needs to be honestly in what is actually in the foods that we buy. Just like in the Whizzo quality assortment
I completely agree with you.

Every fast food chain should list the number of calories in their food, and if the sodium/fat/etc. levels go over a certain level, then they should be forced to list that too on their menu. There is not enough information for consumers to make healthy choices.

However, if a person still wants to eat it, then he should have full rights to do so. We are supposed to live in a free society.
 
Hey if i wanna OD on mac n cheese, because its so yummy, its my choice! A product is only successful because it is demand, I cant wait to see prohibition of fatty foods, what kind of black market would that produce. Can you imagine people selling snickers on every street corner? Over half of the people in prison would be in for obesity crimes...
 
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