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No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

No one besides yourself is responsible for what you put in your mouth?


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We have history. The tobacco industy did exactly what I suggested. Not only that, who was notified of pink slim? Regardless of whether you htink it is bad or not, people were not told it was in their food. As much as I have a responsibility for my decisions, a company or coproation has a responsibility to be a good and responsible business person. Responsibility does not swing one way.

I am arguing this debate over what is happening now, not in the past. Cigarettes have and had labels like this:

Caution: Cigarette Smoking May be Hazardous to Your Health (1966–1970)
Warning: The Surgeon General Has Determined that Cigarette Smoking is Dangerous to Your Health (1970–1985)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy. (1985–)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health. (1985–)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking By Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, And Low Birth Weight. (1985–)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Cigarette Smoke Contains Carbon Monoxide. (1985–)


Tobacco packaging warning messages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesn't seem like that big of a secret and since nobody has anything else to add it seems like the argument is over and people are solely responsible for what they ingest.
 
I am arguing this debate over what is happening now, not in the past. Cigarettes have and had labels like this:

Caution: Cigarette Smoking May be Hazardous to Your Health (1966–1970)
Warning: The Surgeon General Has Determined that Cigarette Smoking is Dangerous to Your Health (1970–1985)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy. (1985–)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health. (1985–)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking By Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, And Low Birth Weight. (1985–)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Cigarette Smoke Contains Carbon Monoxide. (1985–)


Tobacco packaging warning messages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesn't seem like that big of a secret and since nobody has anything else to add it seems like the argument is over and people are solely responsible for what they ingest.

They do now. But it took a long time to get that. And there was a lot of deception along the way. The next thing we find is likely to take just as long. The company largely isn't held accountable for the deception, especially not in a timely manner.
 
Thats my point, subsidized corn, and high tariffs on foreign sugar, causing high prices on sugar. Now we use more HFCS due to its cheapness. Government unintentionally caused this, now regulation is the only way to fix it.

There's a little more to that complex issue. The Haber process (look him up - he was a Nazi WMD lead scientist) allowed us to overproduce. While previously government was doing battle with the Sugar Trust (think OPEC only far more predatory). We were, at one point, stuck with a glut of corn, a nation of farmers watching prices spiral down, a world crying out for food aid, and a distrust of the sugar lobby. Corn syrup becomes a natural answer.

Now, it's in 85% of the products offered at the grocery store (or some corn product).
 
Thats my point, subsidized corn, and high tariffs on foreign sugar, causing high prices on sugar. Now we use more HFCS due to its cheapness. Government unintentionally caused this, now regulation is the only way to fix it.

Yeah. The whole agriculture subsidy system needs a serious review.

With regards to HFCS, end all its subsidies. If we need to do more, pass a sin tax on sugar and HFCS. This passes the cost back onto those who are helping contribute to the rise in health care costs.

You have a deadly poison in my apple juice, my kids drink that!!! Dont think i can win that lawsuit?

Don't forget just how easily big corporations can line up attorneys to fight "frivolous lawsuits." I actually personally know of a couple of instances where someone was wrongfully hurt by the actions of a corporation, but because of the way our civil justice system is set up, they knew they didn't have a chance in court, even though the facts were on their side.

By contrast, according to the current system, a the concentration of lead/mercury/etc. in a company's product over the legal limit equals an automatic penalty. That prevents their being able to summon that army of attorneys to wiggle their way out of justice.

Why get hungover? Excessive drinking of course haha. There are multiple types of water and different methods of filtration. As i said you wouldnt want to drink the water where im from. Though i dont think ill die, maybe it is unhealthy eh oh well.

OK I'll stop teasing you about your drinking habits; that's your choice. ;) And if you're really that concerned about contaminants in your drinking water, you can buy water test kits for under $50. That plus the cost of a water filter would eventually pay for themselves, if you switched from bottled water to filtered water.

You want more government regulation because a government facility is not providing a quality service. Thats my point.

Apples and oranges. Public systems are not inherently worse--or better--than private systems. Different systems are different. And regulations are a necessary evil--yes they should always be subject to review, but that's how our system works anyway. Besides, at the end of the day, if we don't like where those regulations are going, the ultimate boss of the regulation writers is...us. :) Doesn't work that way with corporations, who can get away with passing on problems as externalities.
 
You sure? They specificly said they were healthy?

Yeah, 50s and early 60s. Even suggested them for pregnant women to "calm their nerves".

Btw, apple seeds naturally have arsenic in them. Cyanide in peach pits (some in apple seeds too).
 
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Yeah, 50s and early 60s. Even suggested them for pregnant women to "calm their nerves".

Btw, apple seeds naturally have arsenic in them. Cyanide in peach pits (some in apple seeds too).

yeah - I don't trust drs when they say 'yeah, sure - of course its safe'

With my luck I'll the rare case in which it turns into a life threatening bizarro disorder in which my body will consume my own muscle tissues or something ****ed up.
 
You sure? They specificly said they were healthy?

Yep. I have some of the print ads in my office. That was the claim.

Later, they sent letter out to people (my sister saved one) claiming the government was wrong to put warning on packs. They used George Burns in the letter my mother got saying he was proof that smoking didn't kill. My sister saved it because my mother died at 50. It would be an understatement to say she's a bit bitter.
 
yeah - I don't trust drs when they say 'yeah, sure - of course its safe'.



After our situation with vaccines I will never trust a doctor 100% again over major issues...
 
After our situation with vaccines I will never trust a doctor 100% again over major issues...
After the Fen Phen craze, I don't trust doctors or the FDA. I once had a doctor that was nothing but an overpaid pill pusher and kept trying to get me on anti-depressents. I refused but it seemed like everyone I knew was on it. When I put on my tinfoil hat I'd swear it was a government plot to sedate the country so they would be more complacent. Well, they won't get me cuz I took responsibility for what I put in my mouth. lol
 
After the Fen Phen craze, I don't trust doctors or the FDA. I once had a doctor that was nothing but an overpaid pill pusher and kept trying to get me on anti-depressents. I refused but it seemed like everyone I knew was on it. When I put on my tinfoil hat I'd swear it was a government plot to sedate the country so they would be more complacent. Well, they won't get me cuz I took responsibility for what I put in my mouth. lol
lol Sounds like you should have taken the anti-depressents.
 
lol Sounds like you should have taken the anti-depressents.

Drs shovel out those things without trying to understand people's underlying issues - they put my husband on them for an alternate use (not to treat depression) and they really ****ed his head up. . .that was the year we were separated and that's part of the reason why we were separated.

There are good Drs and there are bad Drs - unfortunely - they're not all knowledgable and solid. When playing around with people trying to get them to work better they can easily make things much worse.
 
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Food corporations share some responsibility. If we continue down this path I can see us waking up with much higher obesity/overweight statistics.

Why is it that people are so much healthier in Europe? It's probably because of the measures they've placed to keep the population healthy.

Let people keep consuming, overall health and costs be damned.

Sorry, but I do think America's becoming a bit of a joke.

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Food corporations share some responsibility. If we continue down this path I can see us waking up with much higher obesity/overweight statistics.

Why is it that people are so much healthier in Europe? It's probably because of the measures they've placed to keep the population healthy.

Let people keep consuming, overall health and costs be damned.

Sorry, but I do think America's becoming a bit of a joke.

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Why do you think they're so much healthier in Europe? Europe is a large variety of cultures and countries - France is just one.
Why do you think that attractive women aren't found in the US as well?

You know - all the women at Fox News are US products. LOL

No - what is showing is that EVERY country which has secured subsistence for it's people has seen a rise in obesity and the average weight of it's adults. . . not just the US. In 40 years China will be where we are now - if that long :shrug:
 
Food corporations share some responsibility. If we continue down this path I can see us waking up with much higher obesity/overweight statistics.

Why is it that people are so much healthier in Europe? It's probably because of the measures they've placed to keep the population healthy.

Let people keep consuming, overall health and costs be damned.

Sorry, but I do think America's becoming a bit of a joke.
Europe
Europe is competing with the U.S. for first place in the obesity crisis. According to a report issued by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development out of Paris, more than half of European adults are overweight or obese. Obesity rates have doubled in the past 20 years for the 27 member states of the European Union. It is estimated that 1 in 7 children in these states is obese. The disparity among countries is significant, however. The prevalence of obesity is less than 10 percent in Romania and Italy, but greater than 20 percent in the UK, Ireland and Malta.


Read more: Obesity In America Compared To Europe | LIVESTRONG.COM
 
Europe
Europe is competing with the U.S. for first place in the obesity crisis. According to a report issued by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development out of Paris, more than half of European adults are overweight or obese. Obesity rates have doubled in the past 20 years for the 27 member states of the European Union. It is estimated that 1 in 7 children in these states is obese. The disparity among countries is significant, however. The prevalence of obesity is less than 10 percent in Romania and Italy, but greater than 20 percent in the UK, Ireland and Malta.


Read more: Obesity In America Compared To Europe | LIVESTRONG.COM

exactly - it's silly misconception to think that they're all skinny and we're all fat.
 
Food corporations share some responsibility. If we continue down this path I can see us waking up with much higher obesity/overweight statistics.

Why is it that people are so much healthier in Europe? It's probably because of the measures they've placed to keep the population healthy.

Let people keep consuming, overall health and costs be damned.

Sorry, but I do think America's becoming a bit of a joke.

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I know that is funny but once you actually start looking at the obesity rates you will find that the USA just had a big head start and that most developed nations are RAPIDLY catching up. My healthy little green nation of New Zealand has the fastest growing obesity rate in the world, in fact.


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I know that is funny but once you actually start looking at the obesity rates you will find that the USA just had a big head start and that most developed nations are RAPIDLY catching up. My healthy little green nation of New Zealand has the fastest growing obesity rate in the world, in fact.


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yeeesh - so many around that 50% and above. . . . and the obesity rates are even closer.
 
It's probably because food corporations are spreading throughout those nations. I daresay they're being a bit more Americanized.

Nip it in the bud. Place more regulations.

What are we going to do when the obesity epidemic overwhelms us?
 
Man - now I'm craving some damned chicken nuggets.

It's probably because food corporations are spreading throughout those nations. I daresay they're being a bit more Americanized.

Nip it in the bud. Place more regulations.

What are we going to do when the obesity epidemic overwhelms us?

Why will it overwhelm us? Do you think we'll *all* be huge and fat? . . .100% sometime soon? Truly - do you think that? For quite some time our country was populated by the skinnies . . . that didn't last - that's for sure. I see no reason to think ti will continue - but every reason t obelieve ti will reverse for a variety of reasons.
 
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It's probably because food corporations are spreading throughout those nations. I daresay they're being a bit more Americanized.

Nip it in the bud. Place more regulations.

What are we going to do when the obesity epidemic overwhelms us?

Probably? You haven't traveled much have you. It is OBVIOUSLY because of food coprorations spreading around the world.
 
Is this true?

I disagree, because food corporations are notorius for deliberately enticing and addicting its client base. This thread isn't calling for any sort of regulation. It's pointing out that food corporations, the food industry, does have some culpability and responsibility in the obesity/unhealthiness epidemic. They're a part of the problem whether they want to admit it or not imo.

I think they're responsible for coming out with genetically engineered foods and then not telling anyone. They're foods that most people don't want, but the corporations attitude is, "We know better; you should eat it and not even know."
 
Ya know Wake, it's all about tha responsibility of choice. Of course companies are gonna rely on ignorant peeps. Peeps need ta arm themselfs with a knowledge of tha facts. Ya don't wanna be fat? Don't let it happen. If tha country breaks down, peeps are gonna take notice. Ya have the right ta kill yerself slowly. Let'em deal with tha costs. :sun:
 
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