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When they can do it themselves, yes. Coddling gets them nowhere.
Coddling? :lamo
When they can do it themselves, yes. Coddling gets them nowhere.
Yeah, that you assumed somebody in that situation would have friends and neighbors who have computers is a strikingly obvious indication that you don't know what the life they lead is like at all. No clue. I used to run a program that worked with kids in abject poverty in DC. We did a goal setting activity once where we asked them to name somebody they knew that had a job that they would like to have one day. All of them- every single one- struggled to come up with an answer and when we pushed them, we only got one of four responses from each of them: teacher, police officer, probation officer or person that works for a program that works with kids in abject poverty in DC. Those were the only people they knew who had jobs. The cops, their probation officers, their teachers and us. That was it. None of their relatives had jobs, none of their neighbors had jobs. Somebody who is on welfare can't afford a computer and most the people in their community didn't qualify for welfare because they didn't have kids or because they had already exhausted their 5 years, so they were pretty much scrounging for food. That's the world these sorts of programs are designed to work in, not a world where people have neighbors with computers.
That doesn't even mean anything. It's just an empty slogan. Responsibility does have anything to do with it. Our economic success as a country- all of ours- depends on getting as many people out of poverty as possible. The median American generates $3 million of GDP in their lifetime. If we can get a person out of poverty for anything less than $3 million, that's a net gain for the country. That means more employees, more customers, more inventions, more new companies being started... The US leaves huge amounts of money on the table for no reason by underfunding poverty amelioration. There are tons and tons of opportunities to increase our GDP by millions just by spending thousands and we don't take them because the slogans of the right prevent them from seeing it.
Yeah, that you assumed somebody in that situation would have friends and neighbors who have computers is a strikingly obvious indication that you don't know what the life they lead is like at all. No clue. I used to run a program that worked with kids in abject poverty in DC. We did a goal setting activity once where we asked them to name somebody they knew that had a job that they would like to have one day. All of them- every single one- struggled to come up with an answer and when we pushed them, we only got one of four responses from each of them: teacher, police officer, probation officer or person that works for a program that works with kids in abject poverty in DC. Those were the only people they knew who had jobs. The cops, their probation officers, their teachers and us. That was it. None of their relatives had jobs, none of their neighbors had jobs. Somebody who is on welfare can't afford a computer and most the people in their community didn't qualify for welfare because they didn't have kids or because they had already exhausted their 5 years, so they were pretty much scrounging for food. That's the world these sorts of programs are designed to work in, not a world where people have neighbors with computers.
That doesn't even mean anything. It's just an empty slogan. Responsibility does have anything to do with it. Our economic success as a country- all of ours- depends on getting as many people out of poverty as possible. The median American generates $3 million of GDP in their lifetime. If we can get a person out of poverty for anything less than $3 million, that's a net gain for the country. That means more employees, more customers, more inventions, more new companies being started... The US leaves huge amounts of money on the table for no reason by underfunding poverty amelioration. There are tons and tons of opportunities to increase our GDP by millions just by spending thousands and we don't take them because the slogans of the right prevent them from seeing it.
Coddling? :lamo
Telling them "Yes - we will provide you with a cell phone" is coddling it.
- lower taxes or more consumer demand so their companies can grow again.ask most corporate shareholders what they want
Do you know how much the middle class pays for government junk only the rich need?do you know how much stuff is spent on the middle class that is paid for by people like me?
That's complete crap for many, many employers, now. A lot of employers, especially those on the low end where the minimum wage and unskilled labor jobs are, require a cell phone. You MIGHT be able to file an application in person (many companies put a terminal in their lobby) but if the cell phone number isn't filled in the application goes to File 13.Not my responsibility for them. They don't need international calling and, in terms of an employer, they can apply in person and check back later.
Do you know how much the middle class pays for government junk only the rich need?
That's complete crap for many, many employers, now. A lot of employers, especially those on the low end where the minimum wage and unskilled labor jobs are, require a cell phone. You MIGHT be able to file an application in person (many companies put a terminal in their lobby) but if the cell phone number isn't filled in the application goes to File 13.
Do you know how much the middle class pays for government junk only the rich need?
Not at all. There's a whole slew of crap most people in the middle class could care less about. You can start with most of the crap you dislike - because most middle class people aren't so hot about YOUR VERSION (not the real one) of the welfare state and many other things government does. Then you can add in - on top of all your objections - the huge military complex, the corporate protections, most foreign wars, and so on. So, yes, it wouldn't be too hard to get there at all.well given the top 5% pay more taxes than the rest of the country, that's rather silly
And who did you beg for computer time?Really? Because I've applied for many jobs and not one required a cell phone. For the past two years, I've gotten hired over email.
Airports, especially small airports.give an example
Whats more ridiculous is the top 5% have ~72% of the country's wealth.well given the top 5% pay more taxes than the rest of the country, that's rather silly
Airports, especially small airports.
A $800 billion/year military.
Then YOU should be paying for them, not me. I don't use airports. I have used air travel ONCE in 50+ years of living. What do I care about airports?small Airports help the middle class. I've used them several times.
And who tells the middle class that killing Iraqis, for instance, is what we like to do? I mean, really??? Did I miss the popular vote for war in 2003?the military spending can't be blamed on the wealthy, it is every day Americans that like to be the world power.
Then YOU should be paying for them, not me. I don't use airports. I have used air travel ONCE in 50+ years of living. What do I care about airports?
And who tells the middle class that killing Iraqis, for instance, is what we like to do? I mean, really??? Did I miss the popular vote for war in 2003?
rich people would love the idea of making people pay for the services they use, which is not how it works today.
the rich are no more interested in killing Iraqis. the entire nation went along with false intelligence, so blaming one class over the other seems pretty disingenuous.
Whats more ridiculous is the top 5% have ~72% of the country's wealth.
http://media.theunderstatement.com/005_A_moveon_wealth_distribution.png
My vote would be for Abe lincoln, but I wasn't even alive during that era, I can not properly judge him. Good president none the less.
Bill Clinton gets my vote
Whats more ridiculous is the top 5% have ~72% of the country's wealth.
http://media.theunderstatement.com/005_A_moveon_wealth_distribution.png