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Best US President

Who Was the Best US President?

  • Abraham Lincoln

    Votes: 15 19.0%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    Votes: 20 25.3%
  • George Washington

    Votes: 9 11.4%
  • Thomas Jefferson

    Votes: 5 6.3%
  • Theodore Roosevelt

    Votes: 4 5.1%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • Andrew Jackson

    Votes: 2 2.5%
  • Harry Truman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lyndon Johnson

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • Other (please list below)

    Votes: 22 27.8%

  • Total voters
    79
So, if a crappy Prez pisses off so many people that someone shoots him; he is then instantly a good Prez?

if so, then James Garfield is destined for Mt Rushmore.
 
Isn't it strange that the President who founded the Democratic Party was a genocidal murderer of indigenous people and the President who was responsible for freeing the slaves was a Republican?

Lincoln was the ultimate RINO....
 
He helped move the nation Westward. Simple as that. It was common belief then that the Indians were savages and were slowing our expansion.

Is that what you learned watching westerns as a young man or is that what your schools history books taught you. Well I hate to be the one to tell you this but it didn't happen the way your grade school teacher told you it did. And John Wayne was not a heroic Indian fighter he was a Hollywood actor. It was genocide, murder, extermination. It was ugly, it was passing out blanketts infected with small pox because you knew the natives didn't have the imune defenses to fight it. It was poisening the red man with alcohol, it was signing treaty after treaty that you did not intend to keep to steal the land from them. It was massecre of millions including the women and children, it was the Sand Creek Massacre where the Sothern Cheyennes were attacked and murdered in their peaceful winter camp. It was the massacre at Wounded Knee South Dakota. It was wrong and your history books are wrong. We should all learn the truth about this dark time in our history.
 
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Is that what you learned watching westerns as a young man or is that what your schools history books taught you. Well I hate to be the one to tell you this but it didn't happen the way your grade school teacher told you it did. And John Wayne was not a heroic Indian fighter he was a Hollywood actor. It was genocide, murder, extermination. It was ugly, it was passing out blanketts infected with small pox because you knew the natives didn't have the imune defenses to fight it. It was poisening the red man with alcohol, it was signing treaty after treaty that you did not intend to keep to steal the land from them. It was massecre of millions including the women and children, it was the Sand Creek Massacre where the Sothern Cheyennes were attacked and murdered in their peaceful winter camp. It was the massacre at Wounded Knee South Dakota. It was wrong and your history books are wrong. We should all learn the truth about this dark time in our history.

It was Westward expansion. Sure, it was ugly, but it was a part of our expansion.

Jackson treated the Indian nations as one, as opposed to his predecessors - which treated them as separate nations. The Senate and House both passed the Indian Removal Act. The Act didn't allow forced removal but allowed the President to negotiate treaties with the Indians.

Given the conflict in Georgia and the attitude of the people at the time, Jackson acted in how the people wanted it - thus, a man for the people.
 
Lincoln was the ultimate RINO....

:lamo

SgtRock said:
So you have no problem with Jackson telling his troops to kill all the women and children to complete the extermination? Don't get me wrong, I love my country. I am just about as patriotic a person as you will meet. But the genocide of the indigenous peoples of America and slavery are two severely wrong points in our history and the sooner we face that the better. That includes recognising Andrew Jackson for the genocidal murderer that he was.

btw, you can call Godwinn all you want but in this case the reference to Hitler is based in fact.

Agreed, the Hitler reference was actually relevant in this case. However, even though I agree that Jackson's policies towards the Indians were horrible, I think it's a stretch to call it genocide. He committed terrible acts of ethnic cleansing and didn't care who was killed. But his main intent was to move the Indians to the West, not kill all of them. So his policies weren't as clear-cut genocide as, say, Hitler's were, where his intention was obviously to kill all the Jews, Roma, etc. That said, calling it genocide is not unreasonable, and it could certainly be argued that his actions constituted genocide.
 
For once I actually agree with SgtRock.

As do I, although I don't think anything Zgoldsmith said is technically wrong. It did allow for western expansion and I believe it was popular with the people at the time, although it was definitely beyond cruel and not too much of a stretch to label genocide. I didn't see Z actually come out and endorse it specifically though.
 
he started us down the road to a welfare socialist state where the balance of power between the federal government and the states was destroyed permanently. Most of the welfare income redistribution garbage that your party worships and derives power from could never have happened but for FDR's actions

Yes because we all know for certain what the founders wanted in FDR's time and in our current situation. You do realize that not all of the founding fathers werent modern day "libertarians".
 
President Lincoln by far. Our country would not be as free without him.

I agree and voted Lincoln. He saw our nation through the most challenging period in our history. He saved the Union and freed the slaves. And yes, I know the Civil War was not just about slavery. I am also a fan of his leadership style in that he surrounded himself with people who often disagreed with him. Too many leaders surround themselves with "yes men".

There are a few great Presidents in the poll.
 
This was interesting I thought.

"The Murray-Blessing 1982 survey[21] asked historians whether they were liberal or conservative on domestic, social and economic issues."

There was actually very little difference in the top 3 picks as the best presidents by both the conservative and liberal historians.

The liberal historians picked as their top 3,

#1 Lincoln
#2 FDR
#3 Washington

The conservative historians picked as their top 3

#1 Lincoln
#2 Washington
#3 FDR

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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This was interesting I thought.

"The Murray-Blessing 1982 survey[21] asked historians whether they were liberal or conservative on domestic, social and economic issues."

There was actually very little difference in the top 3 picks as the best presidents by both the conservative and liberal historians.

The liberal historians picked as their top 3,

Lincoln
FDR
Washington

The conservative historians picked as their top 3

Lincoln
Washington
FDR

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And if FDR was a president today he would be a socialist communist marxist fascist.....
I think the vast majority of conservatives dont see that FDR was actually a lot more left than Obama...
 
And if FDR was a president today he would be a socialist communist marxist fascist.....
I think the vast majority of conservatives dont see that FDR was actually a lot more left than Obama...

Yes, the survey shows us how just how far conservatives have moved to the right since 1982.
 
Ronald Reagan
I would agree that he is the best in our lifetime, but hardly the best ever. There is much I like about Reagan, and little that I dislike. However, had Reagan had been tasked with a difficult period of time, rather than one of the easier ones, I do not believe his macro management style would have been suited well for such a critical period of time.
 
Andrew Jackson, without a doubt. George Washington being a close second.
 
FDR

no doubt about it.

He turned back the worst domestic threat and the worst foreign threat of the last 100 plus years.

I think this is the least surprised by a poster that I have ever been.:donkeyfla <------haymarket
 
Yep...what a guy.

He had FAR more slaves then any other Founding Father and treated many of them poorly if they did not do as he wished.

And he stole from natives during his military days.


The guy was a dick head.

Yeah, you're right, we should just ignore Valley Forge and all of his great accomplishments. :roll:
 
There's grounds to criticize them, of course, but Washington, Jefferson, Madison are mostly praiseworthy.

There's other folks worthy of honorable mention, too. For example, the more I read about him, the more I like Grover Cleveland.
 
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Why is Andrew Jackson on the short list. Isn't he the president responsible for the Indian Removal Project. The Cherokee Nations trail of tears in 1838/39. This founder of the Democratic Party was a ruthless genocidal killer. As a General
his first effort at Indian fighting was waging a war against the Creeks. President Jefferson had appointed him to appropriate Creek and Cherokee lands. In his brutal military campaigns against Indians, Andrew Jackson recommended that troops systematically kill Indian women and children after massacres in order to complete the extermination.

I rank him mid pack, due to his work with the central bank and national debt.

However I agree, he should not be near the top.
 
The best was Grover Cleveland.

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ı havent much knowledge about him ,but many claim he was a sane president ,who assasinates a bad president?

Yes, he was a good man for the job. It is just so unfortunate that we didn't get to see what he really could have done.
 
I disagree about both. Although I don't know if any POTUS could have made significant improvements in the economy of the 1930's due to the massive continental drought which lasted nearly the entire decade. In terms of foreign policy though, He made the situation far worse, ignoring the growing threat of the Nazis and the brewing asian conflict. At the start of WWII China and Japan were at war, the soviets were getting involved and Japan was looking for and doing anything in which if felt it could get an advantage. Japan had become a growing threat, and FDR was too eager to take their false good will which cost us dearly. With multiple theaters at war, we were completely unprepared with our armed forces being depleted and our readiness at such a pathetic state.

Bottom line: We won both. That is success. Couldashouldawoulda is not history.
 
Ronald Reagan
I would agree that he is the best in our lifetime, but hardly the best ever. There is much I like about Reagan, and little that I dislike. However, had Reagan had been tasked with a difficult period of time, rather than one of the easier ones, I do not believe his macro management style would have been suited well for such a critical period of time.

I understand your point, but consider this: Did presidents in the 1700's and 1800's have to deal with nuclear weapons and cyber warfare? They never had to worry about their decisions possibly causing the extinction of man. Also, with the lack of communications and media scrutiny back then, its alost hard to tell WHAT kind of guys they REALLY were.
 
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