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Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?


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its a stupid question. Those who do well owe nothing to you. Your life and your situation is note their fault

The more important question is why do you think the super rich are owed so very much?
 
The more important question is why do you think the super rich are owed so very much?

Again another moronic question. I don't think they are "owed" anything. They have what they have because they have it. I don't sit around worrying why. Why do you think you are entitled to what they have when you have done nothing to deserve it?
 
The figures are from the census:

U.S. Poverty: Census Finds Nearly Half Of Americans Are Poor Or Low-Income

But in matters not for the question, what percentage of your fellow citizens living in poverty would you find acceptable to maintain the record wealth by the 1%?

Poor or LOW INCOME-not the same thing as poverty

and while my grandfather was a millionaire more than a few times over. he died without ever having a "remote control" an I-Pad, a plasma tv, a cell phone, a blackberry and most of his life he didn't live in a house with air-conditioning. All stuff that most of our "poor" take for granted.

Go and meet with the people living next to the runways at the Cali airport in Columbia or the nomadic tribesman on the plains of Tanzania and then get back to me what poverty really means
 
Out innovate them just like we used to do before the GOP tax cuts for outsourcing. Why do you think it is right to make the working class in this country suffer to increase competition while the fat cats are raking in record wealth?

Out innovate them! :2funny:

That will get you real growth that they can't catch, lol. News break: technology is easily reversed engineered. News break: When the government innovates for public consumption it creates monopolies. News Break: When they give subsidies to private companies it creates unfair advantages in the market. Great job understanding the world there mate.
 
The more important question is why do you think the super rich are owed so very much?

Really? Of all the questions you could of chosen the question you pick is why the rich are owed something? Did you notice that the problem is you are wanting from them? Nope..
 
Go and meet with the people living next to the runways at the Cali airport in Columbia or the nomadic tribesman on the plains of Tanzania and then get back to me what poverty really means

It took long enough for you to admit that you think until the working class in this country are as poor as the nomadic tribesman on the plains of Tanzania, they should keep sacrificing to maintain the record wealth of the 1%.

Thanks for being honest! Its like pulling teeth with you.
 
Again another moronic question. I don't think they are "owed" anything. They have what they have because they have it. I don't sit around worrying why. Why do you think you are entitled to what they have when you have done nothing to deserve it?

Really? Of all the questions you could of chosen the question you pick is why the rich are owed something? Did you notice that the problem is you are wanting from them? Nope..

Lets just take it back a step. Different societies split up the proceeds of people's labors differently. Some give the lion's share to the person actually doing the work, others give a larger share to the owner of the company. The US has the dial cranked as far in favor of the owner as possible. You seem to think that having the dial cranked as far that way as possible is some sort of god given right the super rich have. So, again, why is that? Why do you feel that they are owed so very much of our GDP?
 
It took long enough for you to admit that you think until the working class in this country are as poor as the nomadic tribesman on the plains of Tanzania, they should keep sacrificing to maintain the record wealth of the 1%.

Thanks for being honest! Its like pulling teeth with you.

How much freedom are you willing to destroy in order to make life "fair". How many rich people do you want to kill and take their wealth in order to slake your feelings of being treated unfairly by the "system"?

the fact is, I see government attempts to make things "fair" to be far more pernicious than a system that allows some to become very wealthy and others-like you-left to complain about their wealth.
 
Lets just take it back a step. Different societies split up the proceeds of people's labors differently. Some give the lion's share to the person actually doing the work, others give a larger share to the owner of the company. The US has the dial cranked as far in favor of the owner as possible. You seem to think that having the dial cranked as far that way as possible is some sort of god given right the super rich have. So, again, why is that? Why do you feel that they are owed so very much of our GDP?

faulty premise. Wage and hour laws and minimum wage as well as the death/estate taxes and a progressive income tax that makes the top 5% pay more of the tax bill than the rest of the country combined cut against your idiotic claim that it is cranked as far as possible

that is a lie and you know it.
 
How much freedom are you willing to destroy in order to make life "fair". How many rich people do you want to kill and take their wealth in order to slake your feelings of being treated unfairly by the "system"?

How many rich people died in the 1990s due to having their tax rate a few percentage points??? Do tell us how the rich suffered so in the 90's! We are listening.
 
It took long enough for you to admit that you think until the working class in this country are as poor as the nomadic tribesman on the plains of Tanzania, they should keep sacrificing to maintain the record wealth of the 1%.

Thanks for being honest! Its like pulling teeth with you.
I want to significantly reduce income inequality, and I also oppose your view on public sector unions.

As I said before, public sector unions hurt the poor. The poor do not benefit from higher costs, higher taxes and lower quality on their public services.
 
I want to significantly reduce income inequality, and I also oppose your view on public sector unions.

How do you propose to significantly reduce income inequality by reducing income of the working class?

As I said before, public sector unions hurt the poor. The poor do not benefit from higher costs, higher taxes and lower quality on their public services.

You have not made that case.
 
How many rich people died in the 1990s due to having their tax rate a few percentage points??? Do tell us how the rich suffered so in the 90's! We are listening.


How many people died in GITMO? You are really setting the record for stupid questions. Why does someone who does well have a duty to fund all the stuff you want because you aren't industrious enough to fund your own wants and wishes.

Your life is not the fault of someone who happens to have worked harder and or smarter than you have. The son of someone who worked hard and smart and left him wealth doesn't owe you anything either just because your parents did not. LIfe isn't fair and the sooner you figure that out and stop wanting the tooth fairy or santa claus to make life fair for you, the better you will end up being.
 
How do you propose to significantly reduce income inequality by reducing income of the working class?
Many of the ones who work in public sector unions earn significantly above average. What people like you have suggested is some kind of trickle down economics where making rich public union workers richer, the poor will get richer as well. But that is in reality incorrect.

Reality is, Democrats work for rich liberals. Republicans work for rich conservatives.

You have not made that case.
Yes I have, read my last post, on page 65.
 
faulty premise. Wage and hour laws and minimum wage as well as the death/estate taxes and a progressive income tax that makes the top 5% pay more of the tax bill than the rest of the country combined cut against your idiotic claim that it is cranked as far as possible

that is a lie and you know it.

It's certainly cranked farther in favor of the rich than it has been ever before in modern history in the US and farther than it is in any other first world country... I don't know, maybe it is possible to turn it a bit further that way before it would trigger a revolution... But not much farther. IMO this is about as far as a country can go in that direction.

Tax rates are only part of it though. You also have deregulation, which essentially just means the rich are allowed to impose their costs on the general public. You have labor laws designed to favor the rich over working people. You have things like school vouchers that largely just boil down to welfare checks for the rich. You have financial deregulation that allows the rich to scam huge amounts of money out of normal people. You have requirements that the board of directors be elected exclusively by the owners instead of some seats going to the employees. Etc.
 
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How many people died in GITMO?

So you admit that no rich people died in the 90's due to not getting quite as big tax cut, as you implied earlier, thank you!
 
Many of the ones who work in public sector unions earn significantly above average.

Proof of your premise before we proceed to discussion based on your premise.
 
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It's certainly cranked farther in favor of the rich than it has been ever before in modern history in the US and farther than it is in any other first world country... I don't know, maybe it is possible to turn it a bit further that way before it would trigger a revolution... But not much farther. IMO this is about as far as a country can go in that direction.


I really tire of the whining. If the dems were talking about the super rich who can manipulate their income the way Buffett does you might have a semblance of a point. THe problem is you whine about the super rich yet the policies you support attack anyone who makes more than a couple hundred K a year Hardly the rich or the uber wealthy. and you lump everyone in that group into targeting them as robber barons. you can pretend you do this for the "good of the society" but really, it looks like sour grapes and envy given how much whining and dishonesty that comes from the "tax the rich" crowd
 
So you admit that no rich people died in the 90's due to not getting quite as big tax cut, as you implied earlier, thank you!

Your pathetic attempt to justify treating people unfairly because it didn't kill them is as moronic as it comes

no one has died because they couldn't participate in gay marriage either. And no woman died because she couldn't vote. If you want to use your silly standard for what is unfair, I don't think you are going to find much support when we start applying your idiotic paradigm to many other rights
 
Your pathetic attempt to justify treating people unfairly because it didn't kill them is as moronic as it comes

You are the one that made the claim that rich people died due to the slightly higher tax rates in the 90s. So tell us, since you now admit that they didn't die, how did the rich suffer then like the working class is now?
 
I really tire of the whining. If the dems were talking about the super rich who can manipulate their income the way Buffett does you might have a semblance of a point. THe problem is you whine about the super rich yet the policies you support attack anyone who makes more than a couple hundred K a year Hardly the rich or the uber wealthy. and you lump everyone in that group into targeting them as robber barons. you can pretend you do this for the "good of the society" but really, it looks like sour grapes and envy given how much whining and dishonesty that comes from the "tax the rich" crowd

No. The Buffet rule, the estate tax, increasing capital gains, restoring financial regulation, regulating polluters, employers and producers, etc, all are overwhelmingly focused on the actual rich. But, that's great that you concede that we're right at least that far. If your only quibble is about the minor collateral damage to folks making $200k/year, then we essentially are in agreement. Minor nuances like that can certainly be worked out.
 
Proof of your premise before we proceed to discussion based on your premise.
Sure,
In 2011, among full-time wage and salary workers, union members had
median usual weekly earnings of $938, while those who were not union
members had median weekly earnings of $729
Union Members Summary

This is for both private sector and public sector. Public sector workers earn more than private sector workers. Also, the ones with strong unions earn even more. And we haven't even talked about compensation, and retirement benefits. Many public union workers earn significantly above average.

Liberals like to talk about trickle down economics, but their secret is that they have their own trickle down economics. They believe increasing the wages of rich union workers will increase the wages of poor people.
 
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You are the one that made the claim that rich people died due to the slightly higher tax rates in the 90s. So tell us, since you now admit that they didn't die, how did the rich suffer then like the working class is now?

stop lying-I never made that claim. You asked a stupid question that suggests that if something doesn't kills someone its not bad.

The rich don't have a duty to suffer just because someone else does. Its not the rich's fault that you don't make as much as you think you ought to-that is your fault and your fault alone not mine, Not Bill Gates' not Warren Buffett's not Lebron James or Lady GaGa's.

I guess you think if someone gets wasted by some nasty disease others ought to suffer too?

Tell me Catawba-what have you ever done that would justify me paying more taxes so you could have more?
 
Sure,

Union Members Summary

The ones with strong unions earn even more. This is for both private sector and public sector. Public sector workers earn more than private sector workers, and we haven't even talked about compensation, and retirement benefits. Many union workers earn significantly above average.

We were discussing public unions and you provided data for all unions.

That does not prove that public union workers make more than the private sector. Please try again.
 
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