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Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share?

  • Yes

    Votes: 58 48.3%

  • No

    Votes: 62 51.7%
  • Total voters
    120
proud2Bcatholic said:
The only thing that charge proves is that YOU are a liar.
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Thank you. I now understand your attitude completely, I post factual FIT rate information, using clear examples, you hear 55% on TV from your Sean Hannity "god" and accept it as a PURE FACT, with no supporting information at all, simply HIS WORD. Perhaps you can explain, to me, how ANYONE pays 55% in taxes. I can account for 25% in FIT, can you account for the remaining 35%?
 
proud2Bcatholic said:
QUESTION: Does anyone think it is "fair" that almost 50% of American wage earners pay no Federal Income taxes at all? How is it "fair" that half of working Americans enjoy the protection of the military and the various benefits of government (what few there are) and don't pay one red cent for it?

And while we're at it, who decides what is fair? Sean Hannity noted last night that when he adds up all the various taxes he pays, he pays 55% of his income in taxes. So for six months out of a year he hands over everything to the government. In my world, that is NOT fair.
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If there were plenty of jobs available - and good wages for those jobs that are available - then they WOULD be paying Federal income taxes, wouldn't they?!?
 
proud2Bcatholic said:
I know. Thats why I said "all the various taxes he pays".
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You said that the 50% of Americans pays don't pay one red cent while only referring to Fed income tax. It's cherry picking when you only include the income tax for people you are trying to denigrate while you include all the other taxes when referring to someone you like.
 
MadLib said:
Federal income taxes are not all the taxes one pays, keep in mind.
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OK. Please then explain what "other" taxes he pays and how they EXCEED his FIT amount. I have supplied a ficticious figure of $200,000 as an annual salary, so please explain WHAT taxes (state, city, sales...) account for them reacing a total of $60,000? The devil is always in the details. Anyone can SAY anything. All I asked was for some back-up information.
 
MadLib said:
You said that the 50% of Americans pays don't pay one red cent while only referring to Fed income tax. It's cherry picking when you only include the income tax for people you are trying to denigrate while you include all the other taxes when referring to someone you like.
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Exactly. But that is what many spew; apples and oranges "FACTS" that people swallow without checking at all. When asked for their "back-up" figures, and perhaps an example, they simply say "you are a liar", end of discussion. ;-)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK. Please then explain what "other" taxes he pays and how they EXCEED his FIT amount. I have supplied a ficticious figure of $200,000 as an annual salary, so please explain WHAT taxes (state, city, sales...) account for them reacing a total of $60,000? The devil is always in the details. Anyone can SAY anything. All I asked was for some back-up information.
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I was discussing the 50%, I could care less about what Sean personally pays.
 
MadLib said:
I was discussing the 50%, I could care less about what Sean personally pays.
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OK lets discuss that 50%. First 50% of WHAT? Are we counting total IRS filers (and then taking the botton half)? Are we counting little kids, retired grandmothers and prisoners? In order to pay NO FIT an individual would need to make less (in AGI) than $8700, and a family less than $12,400 (2012 amounts).
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
OK lets discuss that 50%. First 50% of WHAT? Are we counting total IRS filers (and then taking the botton half)? Are we counting little kids, retired grandmothers and prisoners? In order to pay NO FIT an individual would need to make less (in AGI) than $8700, and a family less than $12,400 (2012 amounts).
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Part of me thinks your questioning the veracity of Proud's numbers here more than anything else.
 
MadLib said:
Part of me thinks your questioning the veracity of Proud's numbers here more than anything else.
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Not at all. YOU, not Proud, wished to discuss that ALWAYS mentioned "nearly 50%" BS (in post #606). Let's roll, on that statement, that YOU made. I want YOU to explain how an individual with and AGI below $8700, or a family with an AGI below $12,400 is going to pay FIT. I want you to tell me, and all on this thread, WHO these UNTAXED folks are and HOW we should tax them. That is a simple, and fair question, is it not?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Not at all. YOU, not Proud, wished to discuss that ALWAYS mentioned "nearly 50%" BS. Let's roll, on that statement, that YOU made. I want YOU to explain how an individual with and AGI below $8700, or a family with an AGI below $12,400 is going to pay FIT. I want you to tell myself, and all on this thread, WHO these UNTAXED folks are and HOW we should tax them. That is a simple, and fair question, is it not?
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I just keep getting the feeling that we are discussing two different things. What I was trying to say was in response to Proud, was that he said these people don't pay "one red cent" while ONLY referencing FIT. My point was that there are other taxes that AREN'T FIT that poor will pay. I'm not suggesting we change the FIT on them at all at this point.
 
MoSurveyor said:
If there were plenty of jobs available - and good wages for those jobs that are available - then they WOULD be paying Federal income taxes, wouldn't they?!?
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A typical conservative is good at spinning and twisting...he omits in his argument that his income is over $100K annually, that paying this 55% (this I believe) in taxes does NOT break him...
Of course, if I had to pay 55% of my $40K income, then things would be too tight - no luxuries what-so-ever !
And the millionaire, if he had to pay 60%, his life would still be "wonderful".
We need a better people (millionaires) in this case....A "better people" would be more thankful for what they do have and complain less - and, IMO, be happier !
 
proud2Bcatholic said:
QUESTION: Does anyone think it is "fair" that almost 50% of American wage earners pay no Federal Income taxes at all? How is it "fair" that half of working Americans enjoy the protection of the military and the various benefits of government (what few there are) and don't pay one red cent for it?

And while we're at it, who decides what is fair? Sean Hannity noted last night that when he adds up all the various taxes he pays, he pays 55% of his income in taxes. So for six months out of a year he hands over everything to the government. In my world, that is NOT fair.
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Then, the solution is for all to pay a flat tax of 10%... The working poor would have nothing left for "luxuries" of any sort. Hannity would have $90,000 to spend as he sees fit...
Sensible... to a conservative.
 
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MadLib said:
I just keep getting the feeling that we are discussing two different things. What I was trying to say was in response to Proud, was that he said these people don't pay "one red cent" while ONLY referencing FIT. My point was that there are other taxes that AREN'T FIT that poor will pay. I'm not suggesting we change the FIT on them at all at this point.
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Nice ESCAPE move there. So you have no point, just spew nonsense snippets of tax trivia? Like 50%!! As far as "what we are discussing", the thread is SUPPOSED to be discussing whether the rich/poor are being fairly taxed. I would further assert that ALL federal taxation should be considered AS A WHOLE (as they now exist). What is YOUR take on that? We know that some pay less taxes and some pay more taxes EVERYONE knows that. What NOBODY will EVER say, is just what IS fair? I am sick, to death, of all the "that is not fair" nonsense from people that REFUSE to say IN AN ACTUAL CONCRETE FASHION (e.g. % of gross income, % of net income, defining net income...) what IS fair. It seems critical, to me, to FIRST define "fair", and ONLY THEN to try to discuss "fair". ;-)
 
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TurtleDude said:
translation-you cannot refute what I said so your post is babble. Envy is what motivates the attack on those families frugal and smart enough to plan for future generations
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You said nothing of substance to refute or support. Just so much gossamer in the wind.

You - yet again for a time beyond count or calculation - playing the ENVY card is evidence of your total intellectual bankruptcy on this issue.
 
proud2Bcatholic said:
QUESTION: Does anyone think it is "fair" that almost 50% of American wage earners pay no Federal Income taxes at all? How is it "fair" that half of working Americans enjoy the protection of the military and the various benefits of government (what few there are) and don't pay one red cent for it?

And while we're at it, who decides what is fair? Sean Hannity noted last night that when he adds up all the various taxes he pays, he pays 55% of his income in taxes. So for six months out of a year he hands over everything to the government. In my world, that is NOT fair.
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earthworm said:
Then, the solution is for all to pay a flat tax of 10%... The working poor would have nothing left for "luxuries" of any sort. Hannity would have $90,000 to spend as he sees fit...
Sensible... to a conservative.
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I see. So its fair for a few folks to pay all the taxes. I get it.

Hey, why stop there: Eliminate all sales taxes: Those hit the poor too. Eliminate cigarette and gasoline taxes and liquor taxes, those hit the poor real hard. That way we can just destroy those who are successful with 99% taxes until all there are left are poor people!!! Hello Soviet Union.

Ironically, in your sarcasm, you actually had the right idea: A flat tax is fair. Its too bad you don't actually get that.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nice ESCAPE move there. So you have no point, just spew nonsense snippets of tax trivia? Like 50%!! As far as "what we are discussing", the thread is SUPPOSED to be discussing whether the rich/poor are being fairly taxed. I would further assert that ALL federal taxation should be considered AS A WHOLE (as they now exist). What is YOUR take on that? We know that some pay less taxes and some pay more taxes EVERYONE knows that. What NOBODY will EVER say, is just what IS fair? I am sick, to death, of all the "that is not fair" nonsense from people that REFUSE to say IN AN ACTUAL CONCRETE FASHION (e.g. % of gross income, % of net income, defining net income...) what IS fair. It seems critical, to me, to FIRST define "fair", and ONLY THEN to try to discuss "fair". ;-)
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I DIDN'T make the 50% number. I took it from Proud. I don't understand taxes, so I don't debate them except to point out inaccuracies that I can.
 
earthworm said:
A typical conservative is good at spinning and twisting...he omits in his argument that his income is over $100K annually, that paying this 55% (this I believe) in taxes does NOT break him...
Of course, if I had to pay 55% of my $40K income, then things would be too tight - no luxuries what-so-ever !
And the millionaire, if he had to pay 60%, his life would still be "wonderful".
We need a better people (millionaires) in this case....A "better people" would be more thankful for what they do have and complain less - and, IMO, be happier !
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what a load of entitlement mentality, envious crap.

you are right about one thing though... a "better people" would be thankful for the crap that someone else is working to give them and wouldn't complain that those who are working to provide their support aren't working hard enough.
 
When I see the well-to-do with their expensive cars and multiple homes, I know they can stand to pay a bit more taxes.
 
haymarket said:
You said nothing of substance to refute or support. Just so much gossamer in the wind.

You - yet again for a time beyond count or calculation - playing the ENVY card is evidence of your total intellectual bankruptcy on this issue.
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I think most people-reviewing your comments about silk diapers and how the rich ought grovel on their knees to keep their wealth-would conclude that your posts contain a tremendous amount of loathing and hatred for the rich that has no sound basis for these feelings
 
Wake said:
When I see the well-to-do with their expensive cars and multiple homes, I know they can stand to pay a bit more taxes.
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why? I understand "From each according to their ability" has appeal to the weak minded but that is just plain stupid
 
proud2Bcatholic said:
QUESTION: Does anyone think it is "fair" that almost 50% of American wage earners pay no Federal Income taxes at all?
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More importantly does anyone think the working class is going to ignore that GOP policies broke the system they are now whining about?
 
TurtleDude said:
you are being dishonest again. by defintion if that corporation that was whined about did not exist there would be LESS jobs
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Because there were no corporations in the 90's when tax rates were higher for the wealthy? :lamo
 
MadLib said:
Federal income taxes are not all the taxes one pays, keep in mind.
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Since the wealthy don't have to pay as high percentage of their income on total taxes, they tend to not even be aware that the working class pays a higher total tax rate on their income than does the rich guy they are running for president.
 
Catawba said:
More importantly does anyone think the working class is going to ignore that GOP policies broke the system they are now whining about?
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No more than they will ignore that the current policies aren't working to fix the broken system...
 
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