• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

For Veterans and Military personnel only.[W:651]

For Veterans and Military personnel only.

  • Total voters
    51
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Navy Pride said:
Why ain't we talking about cutting these other wasteful agencies? Why is it always the military they want to cut.........I will tell you why because the military can't fight back........they work for the clowns that want to cut them in Congress........Congress can't cut people like the EPA<NEA and PP because those agencies have congress in their back pockets............

I don't know who your voting for but I beleive you said you get TRICARE and MEDICARE well Hussein Obama wants that...........If he gets reelected and Obamacare goes through you can expect huge premium increases and no COLAS....The only reason that he gave us a raise this year is because its and election year.......
Click to expand...

we ARE talking about other agencies, read ALL my posts before responding, and also consider watching some news on TV, other than Fox....
 
Last edited:
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Redress said:
The Ford class carrier is going to be the all out ****! From everything I have read on it, it really is going to be a huge upgrade over the Nimitz, with almost a thousand fewer crew but able to do more.
Click to expand...

From everything I was hearing while in, if true, they were supposed to be taking suggestions from the actual people working the systems on what to improve on and what currently did work well for them. Hopefully they actually did listen to them.

And from my knowledge and on what I worked with it sounds pretty awesome. Hopefully it will be as good as it sounds.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Navy Pride said:
Another lefty who believes that retired military should not have any benefits............By the way, she served but did not retire.........Imagine that............:lamo
Click to expand...

smart enough to get out and make the big bucks, she is.....
Yoda approves....
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Navy Pride said:
Did you even read my post? I acknowledged that there is waste in all agencies of the Gov, but don't take it out on the backs of our active duty personnel or our vets......everythingthing Hussein Obama does is against the military.......Cost of living goes up and we don't get a cola for 3 years while employees in the WH get huge raises...Where is your outrage against them???? There is a call in the Hussein Obama administration to cut retirements in the military to 15 years or even do away with the present retirement system and let you retire after 20 years but you get no pension until age 60.........They also want to raise the premiums on tricare.........

I am really surprised that you as a vet would take the Hussein Obama side on this issue....I would be willing to bet your husband would not agree with you on this one...........

Make cuts, yes but not a trillion dollars........Even Panetta, Hussein Obama right hand man is against that..........

I apologize for any missspelling but I am fighting the good fight against several Libs on various threads at the moment...........
Click to expand...

All politicians are to blame for our current cuts in personnel, pay, and compensations, not just Obama. That is why I don't just blame him. Hell, much of it does rest on the backs of the military brass, since they could actually listen to their people and make assessments on what is actually being wasted and fix those things instead of just cutting spending on personnel. The President has very little say in exactly how our military budget is used, that would be military brass and Congress.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Navy Pride said:
Did you even read my post? I acknowledged that there is waste in all agencies of the Gov, but don't take it out on the backs of our active duty personnel or our vets......everythingthing Hussein Obama does is against the military.......Cost of living goes up and we don't get a cola for 3 years while employees in the WH get huge raises...Where is your outrage against them???? There is a call in the Hussein Obama administration to cut retirements in the military to 15 years or even do away with the present retirement system and let you retire after 20 years but you get no pension until age 60.........They also want to raise the premiums on tricare.........

I am really surprised that you as a vet would take the Hussein Obama side on this issue....I would be willing to bet your husband would not agree with you on this one...........

Make cuts, yes but not a trillion dollars........Even Panetta, Hussein Obama right hand man is against that..........

I apologize for any missspelling but I am fighting the good fight against several Libs on various threads at the moment...........
Click to expand...

Obviously you are part of the National Brain Trust. I read your posts and read your sig and I can't make it all work. You, naturally, have the answer to these things. How is it that we fund the hell out of current wars that we can't afford, replenish our current depleted and war ravaged materiel, not to mention upgrades, pay for the massive veteran's benefits incurred by constant warfare, pay for more and more foreign bases as a consequence of empire building, buy off the heads of government and military in an ever increasing number of nations, pay of the all the upbringing and education of unwanted babies and not raise taxes.

NOTE: I am not making value judgements nor do I wish to divert the thread into such discussion. My point is we cannot afford MOST of what you advocate. How is it that you can be a militarist, a capitalist, a socialist and an advocate of empire and theocrat all at the same time. Show me the money.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Navy Pride said:
Try serving on 2 WW2 destroyers that were built in 4 months and for only one thing...........Take take a topedo that might be headed for a bird farm.........
Click to expand...

Your job is to be our shields. You take the damage for us so we can fly our birds to get them back.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Navy Pride said:
I am proud of my 21 years military service and sorry you are not..........
Click to expand...

I never said that I wasn't proud of your service. I realize you were in the Navy for 21 years, but don't try to put anything in my mouth.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Navy Pride said:
Another lefty who believes that retired military should not have any benefits............By the way, she served but did not retire.........Imagine that............:lamo
Click to expand...

NP, I never said that....
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

UtahBill said:
Haynsworth, DD700, while a reservist still in High School....
Click to expand...

Sumner DD692 and Moale DD693 no reserves here, 2 years each ship and nothing worked on them except the Main Propulsion Plant. we could hit 30 knots and it was a real gas standing on the fantail and going 30 knots.......The wake was unbelieveable.......I puttied the snipes though,,,,it was killing them...
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Lokiate said:
Why yes I am, which is why there's no way in hell that I'd ever vote for Romney.
Click to expand...

Well if you don't mind Hussein Obama raping you of your benefits go for it............Romney knows that he has no chance to get the vote of a lefty like you........
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Redress said:
NP, I never said that....
Click to expand...

Well your saying as much if you believe someone who retires from the military after busting his ass for 20 years thinks that is some sort of socialism...........
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

roguenuke said:
Your job is to be our shields. You take the damage for us so we can fly our birds to get them back.
Click to expand...



Not just take damage be blown out of the water taking a fish meant for a carrier...........Their job was to take the torpedo broadside..........
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Navy Pride said:
Well your saying as much if you believe someone who retires from the military after busting his ass for 20 years thinks that is some sort of socialism...........
Click to expand...

I believe that socialist programs are still socialist programs. I am not saying you are not entitled to your socialism, just that I beleive in calling a spade a spade.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Navy Pride said:
Sumner DD692 and Moale DD693 no reserves here, 2 years each ship and nothing worked on them except the Main Propulsion Plant. we could hit 30 knots and it was a real gas standing on the fantail and going 30 knots.......The wake was unbelieveable.......I puttied the snipes though,,,,it was killing them...
Click to expand...

yes, fantail watch at night with a full moon and that humongous white wake glowing brightly....those were the days...
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Navy Pride said:
Not just take damage be blown out of the water taking a fish meant for a carrier...........Their job was to take the torpedo broadside..........
Click to expand...

Basically what I said.

Apparently you have no sense of humor. That was a joke.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Navy Pride said:
Well your saying as much if you believe someone who retires from the military after busting his ass for 20 years thinks that is some sort of socialism...........
Click to expand...

Actually the military is more similar to socialism than most institutions. You obviously loved socialism, 20 years of it.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Risky Thicket said:
Actually the military is more similar to socialism than most institutions. You obviously loved socialism, 20 years of it.
Click to expand...

Well, no. He put up with government interference in his life for 20 years in order to do the things they love. Frankly, I loathe TRICARE: I would much rather that the military offer an HSA option, like Indiana does. But I put up with TRICARE because I like serving in the Marine Corps. Veterans tend to vote Republican not a little because we've been exposed to what happens when one is forced to depend upon government provision of food, housing, and healthecare.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Redress said:
I believe that socialist programs are still socialist programs. I am not saying you are not entitled to your socialism, just that I beleive in calling a spade a spade.
Click to expand...


Interesting. So, for purposes of clarification, you would consider Food Stamps, Universal Healthcare, Medicare, Public Housing, etc. to be Socialism? What is your operating definition of Socialism here - the public provision or subsidy of goods?
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Navy Pride said:
Well if you don't mind Hussein Obama raping you of your benefits go for it............Romney knows that he has no chance to get the vote of a lefty like you........
Click to expand...

not sure if srs.jpg
... ... ...
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Romney or Obama.

Hmmm.....which do I hate the least. Are Washington leaders that hard to find anymore? Perhaps I'll abstain so that I don't have to take responsibility for either. I'd vote for General Mattis or General Patreaus. Hell, I'd vote for Mickey Mouse since senseless happy go lucky cartoon figures are all we get anymore anyway.
 
Last edited:
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

cpwill said:
Well, no. He put up with government interference in his life for 20 years in order to do the things they love. Frankly, I loathe TRICARE: I would much rather that the military offer an HSA option, like Indiana does. But I put up with TRICARE because I like serving in the Marine Corps. Veterans tend to vote Republican not a little because we've been exposed to what happens when one is forced to depend upon government provision of food, housing, and healthecare.
Click to expand...

I have TRICARE now and the worst part is having a PCM. It isn't really that bad though. I'm pretty sure most insurance plans have their customers choose a doctor. I have had absolutely no issue with Tricare paying my bills or in general, whether active or dependent.

And honestly, the food and living arrangements are not that bad. I have absolutely great housing and even those who aren't married have apartment housing on base available to them. Not just barracks.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

cpwill said:
Interesting. So, for purposes of clarification, you would consider Food Stamps, Universal Healthcare, Medicare, Public Housing, etc. to be Socialism? What is your operating definition of Socialism here - the public provision or subsidy of goods?
Click to expand...

Those would be socialist programs, with the government owning the programs. People who think that socialism is automatically bad are silly.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom