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For Veterans and Military personnel only.[W:651]

For Veterans and Military personnel only.


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Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

There is waste everywhere but don't just take it out on the military........Even a lefty like you has to admit that almost a trillion dollars in cuts is a little much and you pay attention a lot of those cuts will come in active duty and retired benefits..........No wonder dems can never get the vets vote..........


How about we cut the EPA, NEA, PP.............Heaven forbid any of those liberal agencies...............better yet disband them.....
did I say military only? hardly, but make it leaner and meaner, use cruise missles instead of putting soldiers on the streets of godforsaken hellholes, where they are just targets...
disband EPA? no, just cut it deep, give the remaining staff an annual bonus for each REAL problem they solve....
similar for many other agencies, get rid of the bloat, the RIP (retired in place) personnel....let the dedicated employees get the job done, and reward them for it...
 
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exactly and personnel has been cut way back where a lot of ships are making back to back deployments............

Personnel have been "cut way back"? Compared to when? Numbers and evidence please?
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Why don't you get tricare for life? Its great and it pays the 20% medicare does not pay..........

Translation: Socialism sucks!!! Unless it's socialism that benefits me......
 
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ALOT of that is Retiree benefits and Cost-of-living allowances to take care of our troops. Trust me, we dont exactly use "state of the art" technology. Most of it is 5-10 years old or older

and veterans benefits.....if we used our hardware more and boots on the ground less, we would have fewer mangled veterans to take care of....
 
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Of course you don't.......If it were left up to you the military would have no funding.......

Perfect example of thinking inside the box. Here's an idea! Why don't we stop empire building? That will save a ton of money. Let's create a Department of Aggression and split the money with the DOD. I realize that you don't actually support the Constitution, NP, but we can save a **** load of money if we simply follow the government the Framers intended?

How is it that we will be able to take care of veteran's and disabled vets when we are making them faster than we can bloody well pay for them? Hmmm?
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Actually a good bit of the military budget also goes to upgrading certain things, such as our aircraft, weapons systems, and warships. The new CVNs, supercarriers, have been in development for the last decade or so and they are still working on improving them. Some of these improvements are meant to improve efficiency of our carriers, including needing less crew. Of course, less crew needs mean less sailors needed in the Navy as well.

The Ford class carrier is going to be the all out ****! From everything I have read on it, it really is going to be a huge upgrade over the Nimitz, with almost a thousand fewer crew but able to do more.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

While these upgrades are happening, it's due to the fact that we have about 1/3 of the ships that we had 20 years ago.

This is not a bad thing. The ships we do have are more capable, and are able to get the job done. There is a difference between believing we need a strong military, and not recognizing the reality that we do have to cut spending.
 
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and veterans benefits.....if we used our hardware more and boots on the ground less, we would have fewer mangled veterans to take care of....

Some wars can only be won with boots on the ground, not just fancy tech, though.
 
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Translation: Socialism sucks!!! Unless it's socialism that benefits me......

not socialism as it isn't available to all, just those who earned it...
 
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Translation: Socialism sucks!!! Unless it's socialism that benefits me......

NP loves him some socialism. There is a reason he is my left wing friend.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Some wars can only be won with boots on the ground, not just fancy tech, though.

most wars lately can be won without ground troops.....
We send missles and smart bombs in to take out their ability to defend themselves from their neighbors, and then leave....
besides, if it is the middle east, Saudi Arabia should be the one with boots on the ground....
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

did I say military only? hardly, but make it leaner and meaner, use cruise missles instead of putting soldiers on the streets of godforsaken hellholes, where they are just targets...
disband EPA? no, just cut it deep, give the remaining staff an annual bonus for each REAL problem they solve....
similar for many other agencies, get rid of the bloat, the RIP (retired in place) personnel....let the dedicated employees get the job done, and reward them for it...

Why ain't we talking about cutting these other wasteful agencies? Why is it always the military they want to cut.........I will tell you why because the military can't fight back........they work for the clowns that want to cut them in Congress........Congress can't cut people like the EPA<NEA and PP because those agencies have congress in their back pockets............

I don't know who your voting for but I beleive you said you get TRICARE and MEDICARE well Hussein Obama wants that...........If he gets reelected and Obamacare goes through you can expect huge premium increases and no COLAS....The only reason that he gave us a raise this year is because its and election year.......
 
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NP loves him some socialism. There is a reason he is my left wing friend.

Another lefty who believes that retired military should not have any benefits............By the way, she served but did not retire.........Imagine that............:lamo
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

most wars lately can be won without ground troops.....
We send missles and smart bombs in to take out their ability to defend themselves from their neighbors, and then leave....
besides, if it is the middle east, Saudi Arabia should be the one with boots on the ground....

I remember during the first gulf war. we got pissed when a Saudi was interviewed and asked if he did not feel an obligation to help defend Sudi Arabia with the Americans, and he said why should he do it when they could pay Americans to do it.
 
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not socialism as it isn't available to all, just those who earned it...

Exactly, some of these lefties woudl love to see this a socialist country.........WE must never let that happen
 
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We need to cut spending and raise taxes. We should be cutting spending within the military by getting rid of waste, not people. I hate to tell you it isn't Obama that is cutting personnel instead of waste when it comes to military spending. That would be those who get to decide military budgets, generally that would be people within the military brass or Congressmen.

I have personally seen military waste that can't be fixed because pointing it out is useless because those who are doing it don't consider it wasteful. And it goes up to some pretty high people within certain commands. They refuse to believe they are wrong in their assessment of what is and is not wasteful.

You tell it! Anyone who has served has seen waste beyond belief. Just one example, in Vietnam, I once saw combat engineers burying a CAT, earth mover. I asked an E-7 combat engineer I knew about what I saw. IG inspection. They had one more CAT than they were supposed to have. There's was no way to get rid of it so they buried it. Problem solved. Cost??? That's one tiny example. Go big and talk about airframes that were a bust before they hit the ramp. Weapons systems?
 
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While these upgrades are happening, it's due to the fact that we have about 1/3 of the ships that we had 20 years ago.

I'm not arguing that. I worked with equipment from the 50s and 60s. Not all of it, but at least some. It needed improvements. Twenty years isn't really that long for the life of a ship. The problem is when they don't make improvements or don't work designs well enough to allow for major improvements with little cost.
 
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I'm not arguing that. I worked with equipment from the 50s and 60s. Not all of it, but at least some. It needed improvements. Twenty years isn't really that long for the life of a ship. The problem is when they don't make improvements or don't work designs well enough to allow for major improvements with little cost.

Try serving on 2 WW2 destroyers that were built in 4 months and for only one thing...........Take take a topedo that might be headed for a bird farm.........
 
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Another lefty who believes that retired military should not have any benefits............By the way, she served but did not retire.........Imagine that............:lamo

You make a choice, halt the depletion of brain cells or become a lifer.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

I'm not arguing that. I worked with equipment from the 50s and 60s. Not all of it, but at least some. It needed improvements. Twenty years isn't really that long for the life of a ship. The problem is when they don't make improvements or don't work designs well enough to allow for major improvements with little cost.
my first civilian job was at a test reactor in Idaho. THe goal was to build a sub reactor that would last long enough without refueling to match the useful life of the ship itself. Overhauls with refueling cost almost as much as a ship, and too often the overhauled ship still wouldn't meet operation requirements as well as an entirely new ship. With airplanes, we see it more often. altho a few old airframes keep on going like the energizer bunny....the B52 and Warthog come to mind...
and altho it might seem a waste of money, a refitted and modernized Battleship in each ocean, with a third one on standby, might be a good idea.
I doubt Arab terrorists will penetrate a battleship hull with a small boat full of explosives and suicide bombers...
Bring back the Missouri !!!! OK, not realistic, but if we're going to waste some money, do it with a battleship...
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

You make a choice, halt the depletion of brain cells or become a lifer.

I am proud of my 21 years military service and sorry you are not..........
 
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Try serving on 2 WW2 destroyers that were built in 4 months and for only one thing...........Take take a topedo that might be headed for a bird farm.........

Haynsworth, DD700, while a reservist still in High School....
 
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You make a choice, halt the depletion of brain cells or become a lifer.

Brains are needed to be a nuke, not so much a ships serviceman....sorry, NP, but nukes can make a LOT of money in the civilian world. I did...
 
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Another lefty who believes that retired military should not have any benefits............

Nope. Actually we believe that you're a hypocrite.

By the way, she served but did not retire.........Imagine that............:lamo

Ever heard of an honorable discharge? That happens sometimes. It's very imaginable.
 
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I remember during the first gulf war. we got pissed when a Saudi was interviewed and asked if he did not feel an obligation to help defend Sudi Arabia with the Americans, and he said why should he do it when they could pay Americans to do it.

In my era, I saw a lot of young vietnamese men not fighting, wondered why.....
 
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