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For Veterans and Military personnel only.[W:651]

For Veterans and Military personnel only.


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Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Right, and santa claus delivered it himself......

You can deny the existence of the recommendations if you wish, just don't expect others to do likewise.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

go in, kick ass, get Saddam and get the hell out. then wait for the next tyrant to pop up, rinse and repeat. It would still have been cheaper (both in $$$ and lives) than hanging around for 8 years of "rebuilding"
why do we have smart bombs and dumb presidents?
ground troops are the last resort, missles and bombs on thier military infrastructure til they surrender, then let them rebuild their own damn government...with the sure knowledge that we MIGHT come back in the future...
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

why do we have smart bombs and dumb presidents?
ground troops are the last resort, missles and bombs on thier military infrastructure til they surrender, then let them rebuild their own damn government...with the sure knowledge that we MIGHT come back in the future...

What military infrastructure was left after the Persian Gulf war??? The first thing the troops were ordered to do was secure the oil facilities.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

What military infrastructure was left after the Persian Gulf war??? The first thing the troops were ordered to do was secure the oil facilities.

you mean, the war was about OIL??? I am shocked, I tell you, shocked.....
A bunch of mostly Saudi men take town the twin towers, and who do we attack, the Saudi's worst enemy, Iraq.....
 
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you mean, the war was about OIL??? I am shocked, I tell you, shocked.....
A bunch of mostly Saudi men take town the twin towers, and who do we attack, the Saudi's worst enemy, Iraq.....


The Saudi's attack on the US was like a gift to the Bush Administration who had been planning military intervention in Iraq for at least 2 years prior to the 9/11 attack by the Saudis.
 
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The Saudi's attack on the US was like a gift to the Bush Administration who had been planning military intervention in Iraq for at least 2 years prior to the 9/11 attack by the Saudis.

Because the Bush Administration totally existed prior to the 8 months Bush had been in office at the time on the attacks...
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Because the Bush Administration totally existed prior to the 8 months Bush had been in office at the time on the attacks...

You are correct, I meant to say 2 years before our invasion of Iraq.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

go in, kick ass, get Saddam and get the hell out. then wait for the next tyrant to pop up, rinse and repeat. It would still have been cheaper (both in $$$ and lives) than hanging around for 8 years of "rebuilding"

That approach made more sense in Afghanistan where some who needed getting was. Saddam was a no body, not worth one life lost.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

We were? Funny, I was there. :shrug:

Where?

"On the first day of the campaign, Marine units were ordered to secure 600 Iraqi oil wells and prevent environmental disaster." - George W. Bush

Online Speech Bank: President George W. Bush - Address at Camp Lejeune to Military Personnel and Families

"Hours after the invasion began, U.S. forces had seized two offshore terminals that can transfer 2 million bbl. daily to tankers. They secured the southern Rumaila oil field so swiftly that Saddam Hussein's retreating troops managed to set only nine wells ablaze, compared with 650 Kuwaiti wells during Gulf War I, and U.S. airborne troops took the northern oil fields at Kirkuk largely intact.

Three weeks later, when U.S. forces rolled into downtown Baghdad, they headed straight for the Oil Ministry building and threw up a protective shield around it. While other government buildings, ranging from the Ministry of Religious Affairs to the National Museum of Antiquities, were looted and pillaged, while hospitals were stripped of medicine and basic equipment, Iraq's oil records were safe and secure, guarded by the U.S. military. General Richard Myers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had an explanation: "I think it's, as much as anything else, a matter of priorities."


Read more: Iraq's Crude Awakening - TIME
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Because the blame isn't equal. Bush was the sole decider. He presented an incomplete case to congress. And play lose with the facts. Trying to skate around that by include democrats is a cheat.

President Bush was capable of ordering military action. However, he is not capable of funding said action. That is the job of the Congress. And Congress' both GOP and Dem controlled failed to stop funding the war. Therefore, they are just as to blame as President Bush is. Simple as that. No money=no war.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

That wasn't the mission. The mission was to get a new government installed that would agree to a new oil law that would allow big oil back in Iraq again after 35 years of exile. No one expected the Iraqis to fight against us for so long.

Do you have proof of that or is it more partisan hyperbole from the master of it?
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

What military infrastructure was left after the Persian Gulf war??? The first thing the troops were ordered to do was secure the oil facilities.
There was plenty of military infrastructure left actually. I was there. And we weren't sent to the oil fields first. We were sent to Safwan Hill first. Then we secured the Rumalyah Oilfields. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS THE NEXT PIECE OF EARTH BETWEEN US AND BAGHDAD!! Once we secured it, we left it in place. There was no guard force or anything of the sort. You can cite whatever "source" you want on that but I was present for those actions and I know what I and the rest of Regimental Combat Teams 1 and 7 did.
As far as military infrastructure. There was Al Taqqadam airfield/Habbiniyah Airfield and Ammunition Supply Point/Basra Airfield/Rustimeyah Military Academy/Baghdad International Airport/Ministry of Defense building, I could keep going and going. Once again, your statements are factually incorrect.
 
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Do you have proof of that or is it more partisan hyperbole from the master of it?

Whats funny about those "this war is for oil" anti-war crowd is the fact almost everyone of them has the nerve to mock birthers.
 
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We were? Funny, I was there. :shrug:

So was I bro. I don't even know why I'm still debating Catawba, who claims to be anti-war yet votes for President Obama AGAIN. But, guess I'll go with it.:mrgreen:
 
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Whats funny about those "this war is for oil" anti-war crowd is the fact almost everyone of them has the nerve to mock birthers.
Or that they vote for pro-war President Obama. Or that they drive a oil burning vehicle. Or that they don't mock Romney birthers. I could keep going.
 
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There was plenty of military infrastructure left actually. I was there. And we weren't sent to the oil fields first. We were sent to Safwan Hill first. Then we secured the Rumalyah Oilfields. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS THE NEXT PIECE OF EARTH BETWEEN US AND BAGHDAD!! Once we secured it, we left it in place. There was no guard force or anything of the sort. You can cite whatever "source" you want on that but I was present for those actions and I know what I and the rest of Regimental Combat Teams 1 and 7 did.
As far as military infrastructure. There was Al Taqqadam airfield/Habbiniyah Airfield and Ammunition Supply Point/Basra Airfield/Rustimeyah Military Academy/Baghdad International Airport/Ministry of Defense building, I could keep going and going. Once again, your statements are factually incorrect.


They are the statements by the Commander and Chief at the time, not mine.
 
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Yes, the recommendation for Iraqi military intervention 2 years before our invasion:
STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES

And the total lack of any other credible reason.

:lamo WHAT THE HECK IS THAT CRAP?! Seriously bro. Admit it. You pulled that from the National Enquirer didn't you.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

They are the statements by the Commander and Chief at the time, not mine.

You either believe President Bush or you don't. Choose which one it is man.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

:lamo WHAT THE HECK IS THAT CRAP?! Seriously bro. Admit it. You pulled that from the National Enquirer didn't you.

The James Baker Institute Report commissioned by Cheney's Energy Task force, is hardly the National Enquirer.
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

- Obama
- Romney
X Ron Paul
 
Where?

"On the first day of the campaign, Marine units were ordered to secure 600 Iraqi oil wells and prevent environmental disaster." - George W. Bush

Online Speech Bank: President George W. Bush - Address at Camp Lejeune to Military Personnel and Families

"Hours after the invasion began, U.S. forces had seized two offshore terminals that can transfer 2 million bbl. daily to tankers. They secured the southern Rumaila oil field so swiftly that Saddam Hussein's retreating troops managed to set only nine wells ablaze, compared with 650 Kuwaiti wells during Gulf War I, and U.S. airborne troops took the northern oil fields at Kirkuk largely intact.

Three weeks later, when U.S. forces rolled into downtown Baghdad, they headed straight for the Oil Ministry building and threw up a protective shield around it. While other government buildings, ranging from the Ministry of Religious Affairs to the National Museum of Antiquities, were looted and pillaged, while hospitals were stripped of medicine and basic equipment, Iraq's oil records were safe and secure, guarded by the U.S. military. General Richard Myers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had an explanation: "I think it's, as much as anything else, a matter of priorities."


Read more: Iraq's Crude Awakening - TIME



Oh so you would prefer they burn.... I'm sorry, I guess expecting you to be honest was my mistake. :shrug:



....., wait a second, you made the claim about the gulf war, then played switcheroo to the oif....


Oh you and your dishonest shenanigans, you almost had me.... Almost.,,, :pimpdaddy:
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

You either believe President Bush or you don't. Choose which one it is man.

I do when what he said is backed up by others.



[video]Dennis Kucinich on war for oil[/video]
 
Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

Or that they vote for pro-war President Obama. Or that they drive a oil burning vehicle. Or that they don't mock Romney birthers. I could keep going.


I do not think the Romney Birthers are actual birthers. I think mostly they feel in their minds they are giving republicans a dose of their own medicine. This claim they want to see Romney's birth certificate is merely a rouse to stick it to republicans and are hoping to expose republicans as hypocrite for not wanting to see Romney's birth certificate.
 
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