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Is This Ad Fair?

Is this ad fair?

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Watch the ad. The question is whether it is fair to attack Romney in the way the ad does, using the words of other republicans, and is it fair to attack his record at Bain?

[video=youtube;2fJhF6uctfM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2fJhF6uctfM[/video]

Edit: I realize what is fair or unfair is somewhat ambiguous and is done intentionally.
 
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Addition is neither fair, nor unfair. Subtraction, on the other hand....
 
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In terms of whether Romney added jobs I think it is fair, because he has made the claim that he has. Other than that, I am a bit more iffy beceause it seems to be just your basic attacks.
 
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Sure, it's fair, especially since Romney is using his corporate experience as proof that he would make a good president. It's also really boring.
 
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Redress said:
Entirely irrelvant. Is the ad fair?
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Its fair in the sense that Romney touts his corporate experience as a qualification for president, so it is "fair game" to attack it.

It's unfair in the sense that the American public deserves to have a political campaign that is about the issues, not a bunch of pointless nonsense.

Edited to add: it's bad form to screw up my jokes by editing out your errors. :2razz:
 
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If whats in the ad is true then sure it is fair to use their words to attack Romney. I am no Romney fan so my view on this is probably biased.
 
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Tucker Case said:
Edited to add: it's bad form to screw up my jokes by editing out your errors. :2razz:
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It is also unfair to screw up my joke by pointing out that I edited.
 
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Sure its fair....and the king of dirty ads Romney need not whine...and the ad is all his gop cohorts hammering him for what he did.
 
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All is fair in love and war. Politics is just war without the blood.
 
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the attacks are fair ( it's politics, after all)... what's not really fair is the characterization of venture capitalists.
 
Redress said:
Watch the ad. The question is whether it is fair to attack Romney in the way the ad does, using the words of other republicans, and is it fair to attack his record at Bain?
Edit: I realize what is fair or unfair is somewhat ambiguous and is done intentionally.
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Its always fair to use your own party opponents against you and frankly its the only way I WOULD attack an opponent directly. That would leave me to make my own ads strictly positive. Fair? Heck yeah!

Now...where it gives the candidate the opportunity to show that People like Gingrich lied about the record of Bain (and there have been articles and videos to clearly prove Gingrich was lying) AND when you align your voice with someone who you yourself (not 'you' specifically but the generic 'you') have called a liar...well...you also cant be shocked when some of your **** you are slinging gets splattered right back on you. Just as the president is now attacking Bain for causing failing organizations to restructure, shut down, economize, streamline, etc, didnt Obama and the fed do the exact same thing with General Motors? Personally I think you run the risk of making yourself look pretty stupid, and Candidate Romney probably should save his responses for their debates and drop them on Obama when he is stuck without a speechwriter and teleprompter and make him answer how he is any different.

but fair...absolutely.
 
As long as it's true, and not lies-by-omission, then it's perfectly fair. In fact, we should be focusing more on what candidates have done in the past than what they say in a campaign. That's a more accurate gauge of who and what a candidate really is.

I chose "borderline fair" in the poll only because I am not sure exactly how true the claims of the others are.
 
Redress said:
Watch the ad. The question is whether it is fair to attack Romney in the way the ad does, using the words of other republicans, and is it fair to attack his record at Bain?



Edit: I realize what is fair or unfair is somewhat ambiguous and is done intentionally.
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I think it's fair game, but I think it's funny for people like Gingrich and Perry to attack him on that specific topic.
 
Lokiate said:
I think it's fair game, but I think it's funny for people like Gingrich and Perry to attack him on that specific topic.
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Truthful, Fair, and exactly what everyone expected would happen after the fog cleared.
 
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The Bain overall record, while Romney was heavily involved, was a good with about an 80% success rate in making its 'clients' stronger and producing new hiring. It is rediculous to examine any single client company of Bain and portray it as 'typical'. Just as the weight loss prodect/service ads never show the typical success story (nor any of its failures) they are not necessarily 'unfair' ads. The purpose of any ad is to make an impression, in this case a negative impression of Romney, by citing ONE of Bain's 'failures'. Of course, any thinking person knows that the entire U.S. steel industry is in bad shape. The Romney camp should simply counter with Staples and a slew of other prosperous Bain 'client' companies. Obama, via the spewing of tax money to multiple green and union companies, that just happen to have supported his candidacy, but that lost jobs is another likely GOP ad. Obama has no room to run on his own economic achievements, so he must revert to simply saying that it could be worse. Yes he can!
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
The Bain overall record, while Romney was heavily involved, was a good with about an 80% success rate in making its 'clients' stronger and producing new hiring. It is rediculous to examine any single client company of Bain and portray it as 'typical'. Just as the weight loss prodect/service ads never show the typical success story (nor any of its failures) they are not necessarily 'unfair' ads. The purpose of any ad is to make an impression, in this case a negative impression of Romney, by citing ONE of Bain's 'failures'. Of course, any thinking person knows that the entire U.S. steel industry is in bad shape. The Romney camp should simply counter with Staples and a slew of other prosperous Bain 'client' companies. Obama, via the spewing of tax money to multiple green and union companies, that just happen to have supported his candidacy, but that lost jobs is another likely GOP ad. Obama has no room to run on his own economic achievements, so he must revert to simply saying that it could be worse. Yes he can!
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I dont think thats the intent of the OP though. Is it FAIR to run ads from your party opponents to attack you during the campaign?
 
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VanceMack said:
I dont think thats the intent of the OP though. Is it FAIR to run ads from your party opponents to attack you during the campaign?
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I think it shows that the GOP has terrible sportsmanship, since all those guys lost, but his history is fair game for anyone to pick at, imo. They're just doing it in a very ****ty manor. The GOP isn't going to win this one, but 2016 may be theirs, as long as they provide serious candidates, instead of the jokes vying for the nomination this cycle.
 
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Lokiate said:
I think it shows that the GOP has terrible sportsmanship, since all those guys lost, but his history is fair game for anyone to pick at, imo. They're just doing it in a very ****ty manor. The GOP isn't going to win this one, but 2016 may be theirs, as long as they provide serious candidates, instead of the jokes vying for the nomination this cycle.
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I agree with the deficit class of clowns running...in both parties. Unfortunately, enough mindless muppets that affiliate with both parties will continue to vote for them and the country will continue to get the same class and caliber of candidates. But are you really suggesting it is bad sportsmanship to use their words in the presidential campaign because they lost or am I misreading you?
 
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I think it's fair. If republicans have video of democrats raking Obama across the coals then it's fair game as well.
 
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VanceMack said:
I agree with the deficit class of clowns running...in both parties. Unfortunately, enough mindless muppets that affiliate with both parties will continue to vote for them and the country will continue to get the same class and caliber of candidates. But are you really suggesting it is bad sportsmanship to use their words in the presidential campaign because they lost or am I misreading you?
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I think it's bad sportsmanship because they're going after him after dropping out of the race. The former nomination hopefuls are sore losers, and they're trying to drag Romney down with them. It's pretty ****ing lame, imo.
 
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Lokiate said:
I think it's bad sportsmanship because they're going after him after dropping out of the race. The former nomination hopefuls are sore losers, and they're trying to drag Romney down with them. It's pretty ****ing lame, imo.
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So...you think its bad sportsmanship that the GOP candidates did it...not that the Obama campaign is using it?

Bad sportsmanship...I dont know. But certainly bad tactics. Gingrich went from looking like a statesman with no chance of winning to a bitter, angry dishonest failure with no chance of winning. Not bad sportsmanship...just...stupid.
 
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I think you guys are getting confused... I'm sure most/all of these clips were said before the primary when all of these candidates were still running.
 
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whysoserious said:
I think you guys are getting confused... I'm sure most/all of these clips were said before the primary when all of these candidates were still running.
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They are mostly if not entirely from the primary campaign.
 
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