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Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

Do you think Obamacare should be repealed?


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I don't even have to watch the video...toss the damned thing into the dumper...now.
 
No, and if you've studied our nation's health care system at all levels - private insurance, goverment programs such as Medicare and Medicaid and tax subsidies related to health care incentives mostly for private businesses - AND you listend to the Supreme Court arguments on the health care reform law, you'd know that there is no alternative coming from Congress that fixes the problems in a meaningful way other than that which ObamaCare provides. Even Justice Scalia made this point very clear. In fact, the only alternatives that have been offered up where "WE, THE PEOPLE" can make a difference and take responsibility for our own health care while also paying very little out-of-pocket for it were:

1) The CLASS Act which was scrapped (and I predict will return in about a decade or so unless Medicare is reformed); or,

2) The Ryan Plan which I'm not convinced with help everyone but rather would just address Medicare entitlements for a short time and harm more people who are on it now rather than fix the problem in the long-term.

People may not like the health care mandate, but it's the only enforcement mechanism that's part of our health care system that has everyone paying into it which is what everyone wants, yet the side that came up with the idea in the first place is now fighting so hard to have removed from the law which basically puts us right back where we started.
 
I don't even have to watch the video...toss the damned thing into the dumper...now.

I guess the old saying the truth hurts really applies to you my left wing friend...........
 
I guess the old saying the truth hurts really applies to you my left wing friend...........

Yet you voted to repeal it????:confused:

Yeah...there must be some confusion here...

Your poll question is "Do you think Obamacare should be repealed?" I voted yes.

I also said it (Obamacare) should be tossed into the dumper...now.

My lean is conservative...yet you called me your left-winged friend.

I think I was very clear and that the confusion is on your part.
 
No, and if you've studied our nation's health care system at all levels - private insurance, goverment programs such as Medicare and Medicaid and tax subsidies related to health care incentives mostly for private businesses - AND you listend to the Supreme Court arguments on the health care reform law, you'd know that there is no alternative coming from Congress that fixes the problems in a meaningful way other than that which ObamaCare provides. Even Justice Scalia made this point very clear. In fact, the only alternatives that have been offered up where "WE, THE PEOPLE" can make a difference and take responsibility for our own health care while also paying very little out-of-pocket for it were:

1) The CLASS Act which was scrapped (and I predict will return in about a decade or so unless Medicare is reformed); or,

2) The Ryan Plan which I'm not convinced with help everyone but rather would just address Medicare entitlements for a short time and harm more people who are on it now rather than fix the problem in the long-term.

People may not like the health care mandate, but it's the only enforcement mechanism that's part of our health care system that has everyone paying into it which is what everyone wants, yet the side that came up with the idea in the first place is now fighting so hard to have removed from the law which basically puts us right back where we started.

See the highlighted text above.

Who says that's what everyone wants?

It's not what I want. I want everyone who wants healthcare to pay for their own healthcare. If they choose not to pay for their healthcare then they don't get it. It's kind of like buying a car...if they want a car they can pay for it...if they don't want to pay for a car then they don't get a car. If Obamacare were about cars, then everyone would have to buy a car...and if they can't afford a car, then I would have to help them buy one.
 
Yeah...there must be some confusion here...

Your poll question is "Do you think Obamacare should be repealed?" I voted yes.

I also said it (Obamacare) should be tossed into the dumper...now.

My lean is conservative...yet you called me your left-winged friend.

I think I was very clear and that the confusion is on your part.
Maybe you're to the left of him. :2razz:
 
Yes, I want it repealed.... but we desperately need some healthcare reform.


Allowing interstate competition for healthcare insurance would be a nice start.
 
I guess the old saying the truth hurts really applies to you my left wing friend...........


Um, wakee-wakee, bud.... Mycroft is a conservative and was agreeing with you. :doh:
 
Yes, I want it repealed.... but we desperately need some healthcare reform.


Allowing interstate competition for healthcare insurance would be a nice start.

I totally agree...obamacare needs to go its a mess...they slapped that big pile of crap together and had no clue what they were doing...

We absolutely need health care reform...there are just too many americans that dont have it...and MANY of them are working and cant afford health insurance under any circumstances....
The biggest problem with us every getting meaningful reform is there are waaay to many millions of people making waaay to much money off the status quo with health care...Doctors, Hosp Investors...Mri owners..etc etc etc...the gop will never pass any healthcare reform unless it just screws the middleclass and poor....

I would like to add one thing...alot of people love to mention Canadas health care and how great it is...theres alot of canadians vacation where I am...and they all laugh when I say that and they tell me...you must be talking to very young canadians that only need medical care for sniffles and the flu...they also tell me all the best canadian drs migrate to the usa to make money...dont know if thats gospel but thats what i was told directly by more than a couple....
 
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Maybe you're to the left of him. :2razz:

LOL!!

Okay, you've got a point, there, since NP's lean if "very conservative". But that still doesn't mean I am left-wing.
 
LOL!!

Okay, you've got a point, there, since NP's lean if "very conservative". But that still doesn't mean I am left-wing.


Don't feel bad, almost everyone is left of Navy Pride. :)


 
Yeah...there must be some confusion here...

Your poll question is "Do you think Obamacare should be repealed?" I voted yes.

I also said it (Obamacare) should be tossed into the dumper...now.

My lean is conservative...yet you called me your left-winged friend.

I think I was very clear and that the confusion is on your part.

By suggesting throwing the video in the trash led me to believe that you yourself don't believe in the point its trying to make..........I don't think you were clear on that................I will apologize for insinuating that your a lefty though.........:cheers:
 
By suggesting throwing the video in the trash led me to believe that you yourself don't believe in the point its trying to make..........I don't think you were clear on that................I will apologize for insinuating that your a lefty though.........:cheers:

Do you have your reading or driving glasses on right now? Anyways here is a few reasons why I think it is good overall:

-No denial of coverage
-Saves families money
-Quality of healthcare gets better
-Tax deductions
-A more competitive insurance market
-Things to safe guard against malpractice

There are a few things that I am not sure about I've read a lot of conflicting data and this plan is far from perfect but it is far better than anything we have had in my lifetime.
 
Do you have your reading or driving glasses on right now? Anyways here is a few reasons why I think it is good overall:

-No denial of coverage
-Saves families money
-Quality of healthcare gets better
-Tax deductions
-A more competitive insurance market
-Things to safe guard against malpractice

There are a few things that I am not sure about I've read a lot of conflicting data and this plan is far from perfect but it is far better than anything we have had in my lifetime.

Do you like the point tha for the first time in the history of this country it trys to force people to buy insurance they don't want and to implement it will cost a trillion dollars, a trillion dollars we don't have.........Quit drinking the Hussein Obama koolaide my left wing friend..
 
yes, it should be repealed and replaced by single payer.
 
Do you like the point tha for the first time in the history of this country it trys to force people to buy insurance they don't want and to implement it will cost a trillion dollars, a trillion dollars we don't have.........Quit drinking the Hussein Obama koolaide my left wing friend..

The people that this would effect would have their taxes slightly raised federally, mostly younger single people that would get all of it back federally anyways since most people under 25 that are single live with their parents, go to school, or have roommates nowadays. These folks are also not denied coverage themselves to be on their parents insurance. Because these people fall in the lower income brackets they will get all of their federal tax back at the end of the year. Obama care actually does cost a decent amount, but its cost span all the way up until 2022 that you are referring to--much of the cost incurred about 60% of that will all be incurred by 2013. This also is including the costs of cutting and making medicare more efficient.

On the flip side, this could all be easily paid for if the military and intelligence budgets were cut back to 2001 levels, social programs were more efficient and parts of the government were more automated. Get rid of a couple of loopholes and revert taxes to 2001 levels as well and in 1 year that trillion that we spend in the course of 15 years is already paid.
 
Absolutely. I am not in favor of government mandated insurance at all. I want less government involvement with medical care...not more
 
By suggesting throwing the video in the trash led me to believe that you yourself don't believe in the point its trying to make..........I don't think you were clear on that................I will apologize for insinuating that your a lefty though.........:cheers:

Yes, I can see that I wasn't clear in what I wanted thrown in the dumper. My apologies.

So, to be clear, I now state that Obamacare is the worst thing the Democrats have ever...in my lifetime...inflicted upon the American People. Furthermore, the manner in which they birthed this abortion of a bill was most despicable and only proves that, to a Democrat, the ends will always justify the means. As a result, they have shown that they have no honor or integrity.

The best solution to the abominable situation foisted upon the American People is for the Supreme Court to soundly reject Obamacare in its entirety, the Senate needs to become under control of the Republicans and Obama, himself, needs to be sent packing back to Chicago...or wherever he calls home.
 
Yes, and replaced with a national healthcare system.

But, even if it takes time to get the NHC system in place, Obamacare should be repealed.
 
Do you like the point tha for the first time in the history of this country it trys to force people to buy insurance they don't want and to implement it will cost a trillion dollars, a trillion dollars we don't have.........Quit drinking the Hussein Obama koolaide my left wing friend..
What is your point in referring to him by his middle name? Yes, it is his middle name... so what? It's not like he chose it. It's not like he uses it in daily life. It's not like he was born after people like Saddam came to power, and his parents chose it for that reason. Hence, it doesn't mean anything... AT ALL.

It's simply juvenile crap, and it clearly demonstrates a complete and utter lack of objectivity in your thinking. If I can't trust you to think logically on something as meaningless as their given name, then I certainly cannot trust you to put rational thought into anything that needs rational thought. Your failure is already demonstrated and proven.

You're doing yourself and your cause more of a disservice than you are obviously aware. Some people are their own worst enemies.
 
The video is full of many fasification after watching it hell i found 1 within the first 2 minutes: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ublican-exaggerations-about-cutting-medicare/

Also the bueracrat whole part about 15 of them will decide if you get care is a load of **** too.. Complete bull****: PolitiFact | Herman Cain said government bureaucrats will determine when you get a CAT scan once the new health care law begins
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...oard-15-bureaucrats-who-will-decide-nation-s/
PolitiFact Ohio | Pat Boone says health care advisory board can ration care and deny Medicare treatments

Video sucked and was full of lies and bull****. The only truth the video had was the estimated cost other than that just lies and bull**** for the weak minded and partisan fools.
 
What is your point in referring to him by his middle name? Yes, it is his middle name... so what? It's not like he chose it. It's not like he uses it in daily life. It's not like he was born after people like Saddam came to power, and his parents chose it for that reason. Hence, it doesn't mean anything... AT ALL.

It's simply juvenile crap, and it clearly demonstrates a complete and utter lack of objectivity in your thinking. If I can't trust you to think logically on something as meaningless as their given name, then I certainly cannot trust you to put rational thought into anything that needs rational thought. Your failure is already demonstrated and proven.

You're doing yourself and your cause more of a disservice than you are obviously aware. Some people are their own worst enemies.

every time he does that, he cheapens his entire argument and ensures that anyone who doesn't already agree with him will not be convinced. i don't mind when someone marginalizes their own argument past the point of warranting any response. saves time for anyone who doesn't agree.
 
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