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Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

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jamesrage said:
Stupid lib-tard racist definition of racism is not a actual definition of racism. Thats why its not in actual credible dictionary.

These are the only actual definition of racism.If it doesn't meet those criteria then it is not racism.
Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.




Again it doesn't what you can and can't do about it, racism is still racism. If someone who is black says they hate all white people then they are just as racist as someone who is white and says they hate all black people.Who ever is in power is totally irrelevant to the definition of racism.
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See number 2 in your post. This is the one that applies to what I gave you.

I only ask to make a distinction. This worries you so much not because you want clarity, but because you don't want to recognize abuse of societal power, thus allowing you to say poor, poor white mad. That's the aprt I just don't accept. I have never had to worry about any policy, system of government or doctrine that discriminated against me due to my race. This is the point.
 
Boo Radley said:
See number 2 in your post. This is the one that applies to what I gave you.

I only ask to make a distinction. This worries you so much not because you want clarity, but because you don't want to recognize abuse of societal power, thus allowing you to say poor, poor white mad. That's the aprt I just don't accept. I have never had to worry about any policy, system of government or doctrine that discriminated against me due to my race. This is the point.
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Number 1, however, corresponds to his (and my) definition of racism. As I said before, I would call #1 personal racism and #2 institutional racism. I think that's a reasonable way to distinguish between the two. If you want to just call #2 racism, then #1 would have to be known as something like "racial prejudice," which is still bad. However, the set of definitions he found do all apply to the word "racism." I think it's reasonable that they do.

Don't you think the terms "personal racism" and "institutional racism" are sufficient to make the difference clear?
 
Luna Tick said:
Number 1, however, corresponds to his (and my) definition of racism. As I said before, I would call #1 personal racism and #2 institutional racism. I think that's a reasonable way to distinguish between the two. If you want to just call #2 racism, then #1 would have to be known as something like "racial prejudice," which is still bad. However, the set of definitions he found do all apply to the word "racism." I think it's reasonable that they do.

Don't you think the terms "personal racism" and "institutional racism" are sufficient to make the difference clear?
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And I said there was more than one difinition and asked which one were we using. Instead of saying we're using this one, the response was there is only mine and no other. Then he post multiple difinitions. Can you see this?

As for your second question, you are closer to what I think, but I think there is more to it. My personal prejudice is largely meaningless if there is institutions to support it. I believe there are no institutions that support prejudice against white males. And while I would agree with you that personal prejudice is bad overall, it is largely a bad that holds next to no power.
 
StillBallin75 said:
If you ignore the first sentence, he's pretty much on point.
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No, not really. Essentially, what he says is that it does exist but it's so small and unimportant that it's not worth worrying about or addressing, hence we should treat it as if it doesn't exist... which is a backhanded tacit form of approval.


Meathead said:
Stupid questions invariably beget stupid threads.
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Which is why you participated, right?
 
Boo Radley said:
I presented a link giving the many difintions so you would know exactly what I speak of.

As to to the second, are sure it doesn't matter? hink about that for a minute. You you hate me due to my race, but can't do anything, who cares. I can go about life and never give you a second thought. But if you can do something, the metrics change. Now I do have to worry about you as my life is effected. Can you really argue there is no difference between the two?
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You're unnecessarily taking this to a completely different level. Racism is simply discrimination against a person, or persons, based on their race. That's it. That's all racism is, and by that, yes, non whites can be extremely racist as well.
 
the are are some very dishonest people out there, who make the bull**** argument that blacks and other minorities in the USA cannot be racist nor express racism, because their people do not have enough power in the USA to enact institutionalized racism.

we all know this is false. Not only do many communities, cities, and towns in this nation have substantial minority control and or input, but one man with a baseball bat or a gun....or one man who has the ability to hire & fire people...has the power to inflict racism upon someone due to his skin color.
 
Lokiate said:
You're unnecessarily taking this to a completely different level. Racism is simply discrimination against a person, or persons, based on their race. That's it. That's all racism is, and by that, yes, non whites can be extremely racist as well.
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But can you discriminate without the power to discriminate?

No, I don't think this is unnessary. To say that whites and miniorites face the same challenges is to lie. I think it is important to make distinctions.
 
Thunder said:
the are are some very dishonest people out there, who make the bull**** argument that blacks and other minorities in the USA cannot be racist nor express racism, because their people do not have enough power in the USA to enact institutionalized racism.
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I've come across the "I'm black, so I can't be racist" argument before. It's stupid, especially when told to a white kid that grew up in a primarily black neighborhood, such as myself.
 
Lokiate said:
I've come across the "I'm black, so I can't be racist" argument before. It's stupid, especially when told to a white kid that grew up in a primarily black neighborhood, such as myself.
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To which I would respond (and have), but you can be a prejudice jerk. Smile, and go about my business, but there is nothing legal that person can do about it.
 
Lokiate said:
I've come across the "I'm black, so I can't be racist" argument before. It's stupid, especially when told to a white kid that grew up in a primarily black neighborhood, such as myself.
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its such an arrogant attitude, and it sickens me.
 
Thunder said:
the are are some very dishonest people out there, who make the bull**** argument that blacks and other minorities in the USA cannot be racist nor express racism, because their people do not have enough power in the USA to enact institutionalized racism.

we all know this is false. Not only do many communities, cities, and towns in this nation have substantial minority control and or input, but one man with a baseball bat or a gun....or one man who has the ability to hire & fire people...has the power to inflict racism upon someone due to his skin color.
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It's not that it doesn't exist, it is that people try to equate it to racism against blacks and hispanics. As if since there are racists of all races, it much just be a wash and nobody is getting hit any harder by racism than anybody else, it is just that blacks and hispanics complain about it more. But the reality is not like that at all. In reality the type and degree of racism blacks and hispanics experience is orders of magnitude worse than anything whites experience. To even compare the two is insulting. It's like somebody who got in a bar fight once telling a combat veteran that he doesn't see why he is making such a big deal about fighting, he was in a fight too and it was no big deal.
 
Boo Radley said:
But can you discriminate without the power to discriminate?
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I faced considerable discrimination in high school because I was the wrong color in the wrong part of town. You going to sit there and tell me that the staff of a school didn't have power, just because we had a white man in office at the time?

No, I don't think this is unnessary. To say that whites and miniorites face the same challenges is to lie. I think it is important to make distinctions.
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I'm saying non whites can be, and in many cases, are just as racist as you perceive us to be.
 
Lokiate said:
I faced considerable discrimination in high school because I was the wrong color in the wrong part of town. You going to sit there and tell me that the staff of a school didn't have power, just because we had a white man in office at the time?
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So did I, and yes, I will tell you no one exercised any power against me. None. And when I went to look for a job, or sought service or looked later to rent, no one looked at me and made excuses. There is a real difference.

I'm saying non whites can be, and in many cases, are just as racist as you perceive us to be.
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I do not think they have the power overall to effect the white race, especially the white male. There is no societal or institutionally accept way for them to do this.
 
Boo Radley said:
To which I would respond (and have), but you can be a prejudice jerk. Smile, and go about my business, but there is nothing legal that person can do about it.
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No, but they can sure as **** put a gun in my face because of the color of my skin. You tell me what's worse, not getting a job because you're the "wrong color" (which is actually illegal) or living with the fear that, at any given time, some piece of **** with a 9 can pull a trigger and end your life because you're the wrong color.
 
Racism is across the board.
 
Boo Radley said:
I do not think they have the power overall to effect the white race, especially the white male. There is no societal or institutionally accept way for them to do this.
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This is a bull**** argument, and you know it. Who gives a **** if it effects the whole race? There are people who will attack, murder, and rape others just because of their race. **** society, and some perception of governmental powers, that's just you skipping out of the reality of the situation.
 
radcen said:
No, I didn't. Point?
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If you criticize something without counterarguments, your criticism is meaningless. You can whine and scream, "but that's not true" all day, but in the end, all you have is a whine and nothing of substance.
 
radcen said:
No, not really. Essentially, what he says is that it does exist but it's so small and unimportant that it's not worth worrying about or addressing, hence we should treat it as if it doesn't exist... which is a backhanded tacit form of approval.
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He pointed out that racism against blacks and prejudice against Hispanics is more significant in terms of effects on society and effects on the targeted population than is racism against whites. This is a fact. This is not "tacit approval" nor an argument that prejudice against whites is not worth addressing. It is an acknowledgement of proportions. Do you have an arguments that challenge that fact or only more distortions?
 
Lokiate said:
This is a bull**** argument, and you know it. Who gives a **** if it effects the whole race? There are people who will attack, murder, and rape others just because of their race. **** society, and some perception of governmental powers, that's just you skipping out of the reality of the situation.
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I disagree with the argument that racism can only exist if the prejudiced group is in power. However, that is a sociological definition that can be argued and it's really not a big deal from an intellectual standpoint. No need to get a riled up.
 
Lokiate said:
This is a bull**** argument, and you know it. Who gives a **** if it effects the whole race? There are people who will attack, murder, and rape others just because of their race. **** society, and some perception of governmental powers, that's just you skipping out of the reality of the situation.
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That's a good point. I wonder if what happened to Reginald Denny isn't really racist because no government power was behind it.
 
Boo Radley said:
See number 2 in your post. This is the one that applies to what I gave you.

I only ask to make a distinction. This worries you so much not because you want clarity, but because you don't want to recognize abuse of societal power, thus allowing you to say poor, poor white mad. That's the aprt I just don't accept. I have never had to worry about any policy, system of government or doctrine that discriminated against me due to my race. This is the point.
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Number 2 is totally dependent on the first and 3rd definition. It still does not depend on who is in charge like many racist lib-tards try to claim it is in order to excuse their own racism.
 
Lokiate said:
This is a bull**** argument, and you know it. Who gives a **** if it effects the whole race? There are people who will attack, murder, and rape others just because of their race. **** society, and some perception of governmental powers, that's just you skipping out of the reality of the situation.
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THe problem here is that the dogmatic leftists (as opposed to actual liberals) here are incapable of applying any actual principles, but rely solely on a brand of repetitious dogma based upon white guilt. Rather than acknowledge that racism cuts both ways, they simply parrot the prevailing orthodoxy of those who have created a world view where white people are the purveyors of all the ills of the world and people of color the victims.

In that, they are profoundly racist, themselves, since their very predictable apologia is geared towards something other than actual opposition to racism.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I disagree with the argument that racism can only exist if the prejudiced group is in power. However, that is a sociological definition that can be argued and it's really not a big deal from an intellectual standpoint. No need to get a riled up.
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There's plenty of reason to get riled up. It may not be a big deal from an intellectual standpoint, but it's huge problem in the real world. There's hate speech, overt prejudice, racial slurs openly used, such as "cracker" and "honkey", all the way up to people being assaulted and/or killed because of their skin color, and it's not racist because the government keeps the black man down, which is a provably false assertion in and of itself, and people actually believe this crap.
 
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