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Texas secession?

Texas secession?

  • Anytime they want

    Votes: 47 54.7%

  • Bad times only

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • No way

    Votes: 35 40.7%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 3.5%
  • Total voters
    86
Lokiate said:
That's cute. Where exactly are we going to get the resources, agriculture, and production to sustain 25.6 million people? It doesn't all come from Texas. In fact, very little of what we have is made "in house". We just going to magically build an economy and industry out of nowhere? Poof, out of thin air... not happening bro, because the second we secede, all support from our neighboring states is out. That also means no help from the Border Patrol and US Customs, no TSA, just to see family or friends that live in another state, you'll need a passport. Texas would sink faster than Exxon-Valdez. I don't want that, I don't think you do, either. Secession is stupid. We need to be working with our neighbors, instead of thinking **** everyone else because we're the BEST OF ALL TIME EVAR!!!11!!!!!! because we're not. We rely on the US just as much as they rely on us.
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During Civil War #1, trade between the North and South continued as if nothing happened, if you can believe it.
 
Goshin said:
I figured someone would say something like, how is Texas going to repay all the money the Fedgov put into it.


Reverse the question. How is the Fedgov going to repay the Lone Star Republic for all the tax revenues they've taken from same for the past hundred years?

It works both ways.
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BBBBBZZZZTTTT!!!!!!
Nope.
Texas has already been given services and benefits for the taxes they paid in in past years. They are owed nothing. They would however owe lots to the federal government in the way of national debt share.
 
whysoserious said:
I'm sure we'll all agree. You can't stop the will of the people. Texas wants to secede and the people of America don't like Texas anyway. It's a ****hole of a state that always does embarrassing, redneck, bull**** things. The butthole of America can leave at any point, in my opinion.
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So it's OK to call "those guys" red necks, bull**** things, wife beaters, an embarassment, bunch of crackers, white trash; but we can't call you guys ******* **** ******** ***********? That hardly seems fair.
 
Quantrill said:
The armies of Texas were citizen armies. Houston defeated Santa Anna at San Jacinto. This is where we gained our independece. Not with the help of the U.S. government.

Quantrill
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That's the overly simplified romanticized verision, but they had the full non-military support of the US. No troops, but plenty of support. Crack a book on the subject.
 
seriously now, if the USA got rid of all the States that get more money than they pay in taxes, and are full of right-wing extremists, the USA would be much better off.
 
haymarket said:
BBBBBZZZZTTTT!!!!!!
Nope.
Texas has already been given services and benefits for the taxes they paid in in past years. They are owed nothing. They would however owe lots to the federal government in the way of national debt share.
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...just like Congress took on the cumulative debt of the 13 Colonies when the US was formed.
 
Goshin said:
I figured someone would say something like, how is Texas going to repay all the money the Fedgov put into it.


Reverse the question. How is the Fedgov going to repay the Lone Star Republic for all the tax revenues they've taken from same for the past hundred years?

It works both ways.
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Something tells me that when that balance sheet is added up, Texas would come out on the short end.
 
Canell said:
Wow, what's going on here, 23 pages so far? :shock:

It was not an invitation to secede, but a hypothetical situation. :lol:
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Isn't it amazing what can happen in a thread? How quickly it can go totally off-topic?

Such is life in the forums, my friend.
 
Connery said:
US Supreme Court Justice Scalia answered this question with a resounding NO when asked by a screen writer.
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I expected him to understand the introduction is not a clause that gives power so using it is improper as a deciding factor in a decision I also expected to understand how invalid Texas v. White considering Chases bias and history. Shame.

Regardless, my challenge still stands for anyone willing to take it. Show where the founders intended the introduction to add power and create a country were no one was able to leave. Considering the deal the states were given when they joined this should be fun to watch people try to figure it out.
 
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Henrin said:
Regardless, my challenge still stands for anyone willing to take it. Show where the founders intended the introduction to add power and create a country were no one was able to leave.
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You and any others may leave any time you want to leave and there is no Berlin Wall keeping you here. Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
 
haymarket said:
You and any others may leave any time you want to leave and there is no Berlin Wall keeping you here. Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
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You forgot to tell him to leave his money behind.
 
Canell said:
Howdy,

Let's assume times get tough, the US dollar crashes or something of that magnitude. Would you mind Texas secession if they choose to?

:peace
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Personally, I'd love it, but it ain't gonna happen. :lol:
 
haymarket said:
You and any others may leave any time you want to leave and there is no Berlin Wall keeping you here. Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
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You'd best be careful about who you're wanting to leave, as we are likely the ones paying a huge chunk of the bills.
 
Ok, here's why it's unconstituional

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation
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. Article VI, US Constitution

The formal name of the Articles of Conferation is "The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union." Since the States entered into a perpetual union with the Articles, that "Engagement" is still valid under the Constitution.
 
rocket88 said:
Ok, here's why it's unconstituional

. Article VI, US Constitution

The formal name of the Articles of Conferation is "The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union." Since the States entered into a perpetual union with the Articles, that "Engagement" is still valid under the Constitution.
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Perpetual Union ideas on the country were only established when Chase and Lincoln needed it to be so. Before that it was decided that the country was a collection of sovereign countries. I reject your argument on the basis of a lack of evidence before Chase and Lincoln.
 
Mycroft said:
You forgot to tell him to leave his money behind.
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No, he told me that before when he supported current law on giving the government money when you leave.
 
Henrin said:
Perpetual Union ideas on the country were only established when Chase and Lincoln needed it to be so. Before that it was decided that the country was a collection of sovereign countries. I reject your argument on the basis of a lack of evidence before Chase and Lincoln.
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The Articles were long before Lincoln. There was no argument along those lines because nobody tried to secede before that, so it was a moot point. To say that the argument was never made before is like saying "Nobody thought Obamacare was unconstitutional in 1980."

It wasn't an issue before that, so yes, nobody used the idea until they needed to. Because it wasn't necessary back then.
 
rocket88 said:
Something tells me that when that balance sheet is added up, Texas would come out on the short end.
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Perhaps. Did the USA repay Britain for all the money spent building early America, after we seceeded from the British Empire? I've never run across any info that we did...
 
rocket88 said:
The Articles were long before Lincoln. There was no argument along those lines because nobody tried to secede before that, so it was a moot point. To say that the argument was never made before is like saying "Nobody thought Obamacare was unconstitutional in 1980."

It wasn't an issue before that, so yes, nobody used the idea until they needed to. Because it wasn't necessary back then.
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They did think of the issue and the many of the founders were actually for making it illegal, but they lost and it never made it into the articles or the constitution.
 
lizzie said:
You'd best be careful about who you're wanting to leave, as we are likely the ones paying a huge chunk of the bills.
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No, you're one of the leach states - ones that take in more than they pay out. You and most of the rest of the redneck south.
 
To Texas I say, don't let the door...
 
Wiggen said:
No, you're one of the leach states - ones that take in more than they pay out. You and most of the rest of the redneck south.
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Really, you don't know what you're talking about...

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As you can see, the majority of the south are actually "donor" states.
 

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