Over/under 4% for ron paul's write in votes

I voted over 4%. Paul is the genuine deal. Consistent. Provides a simple answer to complex problems. (People love simple answers for complex problems. I struggled with the same desire people had as a design engineer.) Mitt's answers are not consistent enough and have to be a little to complex to explain his history. So, I think Paul will get more votes than expected.

It will be under 4%.
We simply have too many people in our nation who cannot write.......and will not write.....and, worst of all, are prohibited from writing.

AreteCourage said:

Winning isn't the issue at all.

I am curious to see how many people will vote 3rd party. What will be the overall percentage there?

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Most people know third parties are irrelevant and do nothing but split votes...they help the opposing candidate beat the candidate of the party they (third party) most closely relates to. Ron Paul running as a third party Candidate as a conservative, helps Obama beat Romney because he steals votes from Romney. In other words, people who vote for him are voting for Obama By Proxy.

Flippinfunky said:

Most people know third parties are irrelevant and do nothing but split votes...they help the opposing candidate beat the candidate of the party they (third party) most closely relates to. Ron Paul running as a third party Candidate as a conservative, helps Obama beat Romney because he steals votes from Romney. In other words, people who vote for him are voting for Obama By Proxy.

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I think that way of thinking is beginning to change as the American people wake up to the undeniable fact that both big parties are terrible. Both have claimed to be better then the other, but have equally been an utter failure. The stranglehold that Democrats and Republicans have on American politics is beginning to loosen.

I'll double Haymarket's prediction but that is it. 2% if he is lucky.

One interesting thing about some of the other comments when it comes to the minority births and the demise of the GOP.

It seems support of what most libertarians and conservatives call our heritage is a mile wide but only a coat of paint deep. Scratch it and you expose a dull base metal.

It boggles the mind to think those who online are so ardent about what makes America 'merican are so quick to point to rather meaningless stats and wail about the future, (and wash their hands of the two party system).

It is too simplistic to say minorities will stay democratic just because 'Momma says'... (Forrest Gump was a white guy, pay no attention to him) anymore than you should believe Mexican 2nd and 3rd generation will be Roman Catholic.

While right now a rough outline of the two parties can also use race/ethnicity fairly well to define the groups we should remember they have driving philosophies not racial tests. True the GOP is saddled with a rather nasty white minority that doesn't like becomes one of many, but as minorities increase the minority of white hate Americans will be diluted. So the GOP will be counting conservative hispanic and black businessmen in their ranks pushing the haters out.

I don't see the libertarian party ever being more than a handful of sidelined grand standers. You don't win national elections without teamwork, suppressing individuality for a common goal, and compromising on a party platform.

The above seems counter to the personalities displayed by Libertarians. More a very loose affiliation of self centered folks who if they did band together well enough to make a viable party they would have to sacrifice much of what they believe in.

Remember it isn't the number of people you can draw in as boni-fidey members, it is how willing the moderates are to follow the party platform. (Dems would do well to remember that)

Anywho, you 'ardent' followers of the more traditional America, (as you see it), should nut up and trust the very system you worship. The GOP ain't dying, it is shedding it's skin.

Ron gets 2% IF he is lucky

And for all the Tea Party is seen by some as the Great White Hope, it will never shed it's racial angst and the true 'conservatives' will drift back to the GOP.

Flippinfunky said:

I dont think it really matters, he's irrelevant. He's never going to win. :shrug:

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That attitude is why American is in the state it is in. People like you will continue to vote for whoever the money hungry 2 parties parades in front of them. Winnability should never be a factor when casting your vote, IMO.

MarineTpartier said:

That attitude is why American is in the state it is in. People like you will continue to vote for whoever the money hungry 2 parties parades in front of them. Winnability should never be a factor when casting your vote, IMO.

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The problem is, Ron Paul is never going to win because of his political position. He just doesn't appeal to a majority of voters. Let's be honest, the only reason to run for office is to win. He will never win.

Cephus said:

The problem is, Ron Paul is never going to win because of his political position. He just doesn't appeal to a majority of voters. Let's be honest, the only reason to run for office is to win. He will never win.

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Concur, the only reason to RUN for office is to win. That doesn't mean it makes it a reason to VOTE for a person.

AreteCourage said:

I think that way of thinking is beginning to change as the American people wake up to the undeniable fact that both big parties are terrible. Both have claimed to be better then the other, but have equally been an utter failure. The stranglehold that Democrats and Republicans have on American politics is beginning to loosen.

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Doesn't matter if that way of thinking is changing, a third party cant win, its a statistical impossibility. The only way they can win is to change the Constitution.

MarineTpartier said:

That attitude is why American is in the state it is in. People like you will continue to vote for whoever the money hungry 2 parties parades in front of them. Winnability should never be a factor when casting your vote, IMO.

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I said the same thing the other poster did and you replied to his with "agreed" lmao. What make ME so special?

MarineTpartier said:

Concur, the only reason to RUN for office is to win. That doesn't mean it makes it a reason to VOTE for a person.

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The only reason you vote for a person is you want them to win. It makes no sense to vote for people you don't want in office.

MarineTpartier said:

Concur, the only reason to RUN for office is to win. That doesn't mean it makes it a reason to VOTE for a person.

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The only reason you vote for a person is you want them to win. It makes no sense to vote for people you don't want in office.

Flippinfunky said:

I said the same thing the other poster did and you replied to his with "agreed" lmao. What make ME so special?

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Where did I do that? You can multiquote. Do that so I can see where I did it. I looked through and didn't see where I contradicted myself.

Cephus said:

The only reason you vote for a person is you want them to win. It makes no sense to vote for people you don't want in office.

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Yes, I understand that. What I am saying is you shouldn't vote for a candidate because he has "winnability". Of course you want him to win, but assuming he will win shouldn't be the reason you vote for that candidate IMO.

Cephus said:

The only reason you vote for a person is you want them to win. It makes no sense to vote for people you don't want in office.

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I view it as pulling for a sports team because you know they are going to win games.

IDC if Ron Paul can't win. That's not my point in voting for him, plus, it's definitely not a vote for Obama. I won't vote for Obama. If I vote for anyone other than Paul, it will Romney, but I was an Obama voter in 2008, thus, I see it more as a vote taken from Obama. And, I have a feeling, a lot of Ron Paul supporters, esp the young ones, are past Obama voters.

As far as voting restrictions, I know in Ohio, I can vote for whomever I want in a write-in, and, these votes are not "thrown out." I've never heard of restrictions on write-in's in a general election. If anyone here does have a state with screwy write-in laws, post that information here so others that may be in your state and considering writing-in will know.

MarineTpartier said:

Where did I do that? You can multiquote. Do that so I can see where I did it. I looked through and didn't see where I contradicted myself.

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Pardon my ignorance, I dont know how to do it. I clicked it but it didn't do anything :shrug:

Flippinfunky said:

Pardon my ignorance, I dont know how to do it. I clicked it but it didn't do anything :shrug:

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Okay, all you gotta do is click the button beside Reply with Quote that looks like a box with quotations and a plus sign. Do this to as many posts as you need, then, hit the Reply with Quote button on the last post you want to appear in your response. You will see all of the quotes you desired to quote included in the reply. Hope that's clear enough. Kinda hard to explain without actually physically showing you how to do it.