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Obama has this in the bag....
 
TurtleDude said:
Romney is smarter than Obama. Romney has more real world experience. Obama has more Foreign policy experience. Obama also has a crappy record to defend. it depends if the debates are real debates or nothing more than speeches
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President Obama's foreign policy is incompetent. It can't be defended in a debate.

The president may win reelection, but he won't be able to govern the country.

I don't support Romney. He's too moderate.
 
lpast said:
The referendum that your referring to may very well reverse itself and be a loser for the far right.
I said if the election were today Obama would lose...but by november if he demonstrates the real ideas of the Norquist far right and he brings up examples like Scott walker...he will win...
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Walker appears poised to eke out a victory come June - in Wisconsin, no less. That's going to hurt Obama far more than it helps him.

He needs to bring out Paul Ryans plan that will kill medicare...and replace it with his own plan..thats what he needs to do in my mind to assure he wins.
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I don't know - I think this is an underappreciated weakness for Obama; because if he brings up Medicare, then he has to deal with his own plan, which cuts benefits to current seniors and does so through rationing their care. That's a tricky sell for him.

I'm betting that he leaves discussion of Medicare to lackey's and "independent groups" that can't be laid directly at his feet.

Romney stands the best chance of screwing up in the next months CP...hes not going to be able to hide and evade soon...its down to two and the media is going to have at him..
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Meh. The Media has been having at him for about a month now - and his numbers are only moving up.
 
I don't understand how anyone can gauge who they will vote for off of presidential debates.

you get to watch 2 out of the 10 or 12 total candidates deflect, give non-answers, and dance the political doublespeak tango....and then pretend you are "informed".

i'll pay attention to the debates when they become actual debates..until then, they are merely entertainment.
 
cpwill said:
It seems to me ya'll are placing alot more emphasis on the debates vice the conditions on the ground than we are. Wonder why that is.
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The conditions on the ground are subject to spin. You are basing your opinion on your spin, while we are basing oour opinion on our spin of the conditions of the ground, ie that things are improving.
 
Two things Obama has against him that will weigh heavy, Natl Debt and Gas Prices. If gas spikes high ($4+) range before Nov and how much Romney is able to correlate rising debt with poor economic performance.
 
Redress said:
The conditions on the ground are subject to spin.
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I don't know. Claims that we have turned an economic corner and are headed up are the ads that so far poll the worst (from what I understand). The American people are more likely to think that we are currently in a recession than currently in a recovery.

You are basing your opinion on your spin, while we are basing our opinion on our spin of the conditions of the ground, ie that things are improving.
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And you think that people will buy that? You think Europe will last through the summer?
 
cpwill said:
It seems to me ya'll are placing alot more emphasis on the debates vice the conditions on the ground than we are. Wonder why that is.
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The conditions on the ground currently is that he is pretty much neck and neck with Romney in the polls (because of, or in spite of the economic conditions, depending on how you look at it.)
 
TurtleDude said:
Romney is smarter than Obama. Romney has more real world experience. Obama has more Foreign policy experience. Obama also has a crappy record to defend. it depends if the debates are real debates or nothing more than speeches
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If they're real debates it may be hard for Romney to remember what his story is at the moment.
When you spin like a weather vane it must be difficult to know which way you're pointing.
 
MoSurveyor said:
If they're real debates it may be hard for Romney to remember what his story is at the moment.
When you spin like a weather vane it must be difficult to know which way you're pointing.
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Romney will have no problem remembering obama is a failure and he is not
 
StillBallin75 said:
The conditions on the ground currently is that he is pretty much neck and neck with Romney in the polls (because of, or in spite of the economic conditions, depending on how you look at it.)
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Precisely. He is neck-and-neck with a challenger who doesn't excite his base, who feels like white bread, who just got done with a long, bruising primary, who has been running into a media smash campaign, and who doesn't connect well with average voters. And he is already neck-and-neck months out - under conditions when traditionally undecideds break against an incumbent. Voter impressions of the economy tend to lag a bit - and the economy did better in the first quarter than it did in the second and looks to do in the third. What we are seeing right now are likely to be the best conditions Obama gets... and he is neck and neck.
 
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Hare said:
Debates are months away and you're playing the race card already? This has to be some sort of record.
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You've got to be kidding? We've seen the worst bigotry in the country since the 1950s and you're calling it the "race card." It's not a card. It's real racism, usually minus the N word, but real enough. Instead of calling him that, they call him "Hussein Obama" or "the Kenyan." Romney's got a huge pool of bigotry to tap into. All he has to do is be subtle enough. There is no race "card". There's only 100 percent guaranteed bigotry that will be used. George HW Bush used it by putting the big scary black guy on TV. Romney will use it too. If by some miracle he doesn't, I'll commend him.
 
TurtleDude said:
Romney will have no problem remembering obama is a failure and he is not
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I'm certainly counting on Romney's arrogance to loose votes. :D
 
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cpwill said:
Precisely. He is neck-and-neck with a challenger who doesn't excite his base, who feels like white bread, who just got done with a long, bruising primary, who has been running into a media smash campaign, and who doesn't connect well with average voters. And he is already neck-and-neck months out - under conditions when traditionally undecideds break against an incumbent. Voter impressions of the economy tend to lag a bit - and the economy did better in the first quarter than it did in the second and looks to do in the third. What we are seeing right now are likely to be the best conditions Obama gets... and he is neck and neck.
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Undecideds break for the challenger every time, yet that didn't prevent Reagan, Clinton, and Bush 2 from getting re-elected. Undecideds don't determine elections.

And at this point, there's simply no telling what will happen within the next few months that might swing the polls either way. It's simply too early to come to the conclusion that "these are likely the best conditions Obama gets." Things could get a hell of a lot worse, they could also unexpectedly get better.
 
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American said:
Contradiction.
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Not necessarily, you can be favored now but far from guaranteed something won't happen to change the circumstances. There's a lot of time left, especially in politics.

I still say "It's the economy, stupid." Watch the money because people ultimately will show their loyalty in dollars.
 
I don't like either candidate, but, I believe it will be an extremely close race with Romney coming out on top. I did believe Obama would win up to a week ago. The gay marriage thing was a big mistake for Obama (Biden lol) IMO. The economy has leveled out instead of improving. Unemployment is staying where it is. Gas isn't dropping. The only thing bad that's happened to Romney is the rumor that he beat up some gay dude in high school lol. Obama is on a downward spiral. An incumbent should never be polling as close as he is to Romney.
 
Your Star said:
Obama is the likely winner, it will take several gaffes by the Obama campaign(which is highly unlikely) or the economy going into another depression before election time for Romney to win IMO. Obama will wipe the floor with Romney in the debates and I think that will swing a lot of people.
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Plus this is Obama's second campaign. He has already been through the ringer, all the controversial stuff is out on Obama... paling around with terrorists, angry black preachers, etc.

Romney looks like Al Gore or John Kerry... I think Romney has more of an uphill battle than Obama.
 
pbrauer said:
I am somewhat sure he will win. The incumbent has and advantage... I think Mitt Romney is a weak candidate who will has a problem connecting with the voter.
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I agree. I think incumbents usually have an advantage, unless they are royal **** ups. If the economy keeps getting better, Obama will be in a good position.
 
I wonder how many people are honestly saying what they think will happen versus what they hope will happen
 
StillBallin75 said:
And at this point, there's simply no telling what will happen within the next few months that might swing the polls either way. It's simply too early to come to the conclusion that "these are likely the best conditions Obama gets." Things could get a hell of a lot worse, they could also unexpectedly get better.
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Well I won't say that they definitely are. I do say that they are likely. The US economy appears to be sort of drudging into another slow-down, China is having it's own problems maintaining growth, and the EU is about to enter a period of severe turmoil. The major conditions just don't seem to be there to produce the kind of economic upswing that would break expectations in a positive direction. The economic news over the next few months will very likely be more dire/negative than not.
 
TurtleDude said:
I wonder how many people are honestly saying what they think will happen versus what they hope will happen
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probably very few :) we humans are notorious for our confirmation bias.
 
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