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Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

Is signing Norquist's anti-tax pledge un-American?

  • Signing Norquist's pledge is anti-American

    Votes: 8 44.4%

  • Signing Norquist's pledge is pro-American

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • Other (please comment)

    Votes: 8 44.4%
  • Total voters
    18
Thrilla said:
poverty, for children and elderly, is worse now than it was 50 years ago.... and this is after a very long and protracted comprehensive government war on poverty.

keep it up statists, you are doing a wonderful job of making and keeping people poor.
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Yeah, total government regulation and control, that's what we have. Sure.

Keep in mind that we didn't have all these banking problems until Reagan de-regulated them.
 
So original topic and argument of the thread fails miserably (IE that somehow doing this pledge is un-American) so time to not just move the goal posts, but change the entire game that's being played entirely, and shift to talking about income inequality?

Well, at least the ridiculous notion that this was "un-American" is not going forward so that's good at least.

The "no nation has ever survived [some random factoid]" is no more persuasive to me with income inequality then it is in terms of people doing it in regards to moral decline.
 
Zyphlin said:
So original topic and argument of the thread fails miserably (IE that somehow doing this pledge is un-American) so time to not just move the goal posts, but change the entire game that's being played entirely, and shift to talking about income inequality?

Well, at least the ridiculous notion that this was "un-American" is not going forward so that's good at least.

The "no nation has ever survived [some random factoid]" is no more persuasive to me with income inequality then it is in terms of people doing it in regards to moral decline.
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What country can you think of that has survived such disparity? Any?
 
Thrilla said:
poverty, for children and elderly, is worse now than it was 50 years ago.... and this is after a very long and protracted comprehensive government war on poverty.

keep it up statists, you are doing a wonderful job of making and keeping people poor.
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[video]http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/393168/july-26-2011/-poor--in-america[/video]
 
Thrilla said:
poverty, for children and elderly, is worse now than it was 50 years ago.... and this is after a very long and protracted comprehensive government war on poverty.

keep it up statists, you are doing a wonderful job of making and keeping people poor.
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Our record poverty was caused by 30 years that trickled wealth upwards and joblessness and poverty to half the country. Now you expect people to go along with cutting the safety net to provide even greater tax cuts to those at the top???

Good luck with that plan in November.
 
Thrilla said:
every country on earth has income inequality.
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Only in the third world countries, Turkey, Mexico, and Chile, is the income inequality greater than the US.
 
Catawba said:
Our record poverty was caused by 30 years that trickled wealth upwards and joblessness and poverty to half the country. Now you expect people to go along with cutting the safety net to provide even greater tax cuts to those at the top???

Good luck with that plan in November.
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yes, we all know you think everything bad in the world started 30 years ago... and lots of us giggle at the ignorance of such a thing.
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btw, that not my plan for November.... my plan is to vote against Repubocrats in an attempt to get you people the hell away from government.... things have been ****ed up too bad for too long.. and you people need to go.
 
Why economic inequality leads to collapse

"The lesson of the Great Crash was that unequal enrichment provokes asset bubbles, excessive demand for debt and, finally, economic failure. Now we are painfully learning that again."

"During the past 30 years, a growing share of the global economic pie has been taken by the world's wealthiest people. In the UK and the US, the share of national income going to the top 1% has doubled, setting workforces adrift from economic progress. Today, the world's 1,200 billionaires hold economic firepower that is equivalent to a third of the size of the American economy.

It is this concentration of income – at levels not seen since the 1920s – that is the real cause of the present crisis."

"An economic model that allows the richest members of society to accumulate a larger and larger share of the cake will eventually self-destruct. It is a lesson that is yet to be learned."

Why economic inequality leads to collapse | Business | The Observer
 
Catawba said:
Our record poverty was caused by 30 years that trickled wealth upwards and joblessness and poverty to half the country. Now you expect people to go along with cutting the safety net to provide even greater tax cuts to those at the top???

Good luck with that plan in November.
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wrong-it comes from too many people addicted to sucking on the government teat.
 
Catawba said:
Why economic inequality leads to collapse

"The lesson of the Great Crash was that unequal enrichment provokes asset bubbles, excessive demand for debt and, finally, economic failure. Now we are painfully learning that again."

"During the past 30 years, a growing share of the global economic pie has been taken by the world's wealthiest people. In the UK and the US, the share of national income going to the top 1% has doubled, setting workforces adrift from economic progress. Today, the world's 1,200 billionaires hold economic firepower that is equivalent to a third of the size of the American economy.

It is this concentration of income – at levels not seen since the 1920s – that is the real cause of the present crisis."

"An economic model that allows the richest members of society to accumulate a larger and larger share of the cake will eventually self-destruct. It is a lesson that is yet to be learned."

Why economic inequality leads to collapse | Business | The Observer
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awesome.... now you just have to show where income equality has caused a collapse .. anywhere....ever.

I know it's going to be hard, but one day you'll have to come to grips with the fact that there will be poor people, and there will be rich people..... and that gap doesn't cause countries to collapse...well, it hasn't caused a country to collapse in all of human history thus far, anyways.
 
Catawba said:
Our record poverty was caused by 30 years that trickled wealth upwards and joblessness and poverty to half the country. Now you expect people to go along with cutting the safety net to provide even greater tax cuts to those at the top???

Good luck with that plan in November.
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Maybe I missed it but what is your plan for November. Tax the top 1%-5%-10% to increase revenue $5-$10-$100b annually? And since the projected deficit by whoever’s budget is north of $600b annually this is going to work how? And more precisely how will this address income inequality?

If the electorate is presented these numbers do you think they’ll buy them in November?
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong-it comes from too many people addicted to sucking on the government teat.
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I don't think many of us have a problem with safety nets..... but I think not enough of us have problem with dependency and addiction to those safety nets... and too many actually want more dependence and addiction.

I dunno, I think more highly of our citizens than to want them to suffer a life a mediocrity and poverty... I don't want them dependent on anyone for their financial well being...and I fear i'm a dying breed.
 
leftofabbie said:
You mean like Wall Street banksters?

Or those 2-year old kids you always see lobbying Congressmen at high-powered dinners in Washington?
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who do you think those wall street bankers supported in the last election? and they aren't the ones who have lost the ability to compete and have become addled by entitlements.
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong-it comes from too many people addicted to sucking on the government teat.
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At this point, I think we've all seen your GOP bumper sticker.....................
 
Thrilla said:
what is this purpose if this ( false) factoid?
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The purpose of the statistic is to help explain why our economy is in the crapper. As noted previously, "The lesson of the Great Crash was that unequal enrichment provokes asset bubbles, excessive demand for debt and, finally, economic failure."
 
Lokiate said:
It's pledging to do what is expected of them by an entity other than the American People. It should be illegal.
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Already typed it once, why not recycle...

JayDubya said:
Excuse me friends, but it seems you're in dire need of reorientation to reality.

This pledge pledges nothing to Grover Norquist. It only pledges to the taxpayer. Here is an example of the pledge, for the U.S. Senate

http://www.atr.org/userfiles/Senate Pledge(2).pdf

"I, ______________ , pledge to the taxpayers of the state
of ______________ , and to the American people that I will:
ONE, oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax
rates for individuals and/or businesses; and
TWO, oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and
credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates."
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Catawba said:
The purpose of the statistic is to help explain why our economy is in the crapper. As noted previously, "The lesson of the Great Crash was that unequal enrichment provokes asset bubbles, excessive demand for debt and, finally, economic failure."
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ahh.. the false factoid is meant to give a false explanation of the economy crisis... okay, thanks for the clarification.
 
Dickieboy said:
Maybe I missed it but what is your plan for November.
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The reverse of what was done over the last 30 years to create the income disparity. We will need to end the tax cuts for the wealthy that are not creating jobs in this country, reduce our excessive military spending, and re-regulate financial institutions.
 
Thrilla said:
awesome.... now you just have to show where income equality has caused a collapse .. anywhere....ever.

I know it's going to be hard, but one day you'll have to come to grips with the fact that there will be poor people, and there will be rich people..... and that gap doesn't cause countries to collapse...well, it hasn't caused a country to collapse in all of human history thus far, anyways.
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Does the great economic crash referred to as the Great Depression ring any bells?
 
TurtleDude said:
who do you think those wall street bankers supported in the last election? and they aren't the ones who have lost the ability to compete and have become addled by entitlements.
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Until they found out Obama wasn't going to play ball. All the big Wall Street money is going to Romney this election.
 
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