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Do you think Obama takes to much credit for the killing of Bin Laden?

Do you think Obama takes to much credit for killing Bin Laden?


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You would have to explain that one to me.

He's likely referencing the failure of an agreement to keep US forces in Iraq.

That in itself is an interesting case in who is sane and who is offer their rocker. I can bet that you have some idea of what happened, largely that the State Department, Military and Obama refused to accept the make or break agreement set forth by the Iraqi government that US forces who commit any crime, real or perceived would be tried in Iraqi courts. Obama is getting flak for not agreeing to this agreement. But if he did, anyone with a brain would know that Obama would get HUGE flak for agreeing to remove immunity from US forces. Basically people who attack Obama on the Iraq-US force agreement are giant political hacks with no regard for consistency or honesty who would use either outcome to attack Obama.
 
and you are most certainly entitled to your opinion, but unless Obama gives the go ahead, nothing happens...the seals don't go in without authorization , and that authorization comes from Obama.

You're not very familiar with how the CIA operates, are you?
 
I bet those who claim that Obama does not deserve any credit will give all the credit to Bush if Osama was captured during his tenure.

Swing and a miss. It has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with what actually happened. At best, Obama signed a piece of paper that some aid put on his desk.
 
No. He deserves his credit, just like I give Bush in many things he did.
 
I watched a special talking about what went into doing this, that Obama directed the CIA to do certain things and they had to make the call on what was an incredibly risky operation. Obama deserves credit as much as any CEO that directs the company to go a different way than the previous CEO. Of course, Obama is "reminding" people Bin Laden was done away with on his watch. Navy, honestly the GOP just needs various issues to get independents riled up and energize the base so the base actually votes for a guy they hate. Next up, they will be pounding hard on gay rights and abortion because all the real issues are to confusing for the average voter to keep track of. Same plays, different game.
 
Swing and a miss. It has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with what actually happened. At best, Obama signed a piece of paper that some aid put on his desk.
You're in complete denial of what had to happen over the past 3 years and how much a president has to be involved from beginning to announcement. It's also interesting that you have the following quote on your posts: "... a tale told by an idiot; full of sound and fury, and signifying nothing."
 
This is just more proof that the Republican extremists will complain about absolutely anything Obama does. In his campaign, Obama was derided for saying that we should consider going into Pakistan to find bin Laden. He was portrayed as this war monger who was going to start another war and blah, blah, blah. The decision to send special forces into Pakistan certainly was not a no-brainer automatic one that anyone would have made. Biden advised Obama against it. It was a tough call, and the GOP can't stand that Obama made the right one, so they're desperately trying to spin it to make him look bad. Obama has given credit to the brave soldiers in our military who did the attack and who supported it. He's also given credit to the people who did the intelligence work who made the raid possible. It's laughable when the right-wing complains about Obama scoring political points on this. Bush didn't soak in any political points at all over 9/11 or when Saddam Hussein was captured. LOL. Here's a cartoon that expresses it perfectly:

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I'm sure they wouldn't have blamed Obama at all if the mission had gone bad just like they didn't blame Carter at all when the hostage rescue mission failed. Rrrrriiiighht.

If Obama found a cure for cancer, the Republicans would find some ridiculous spin to be able to blame him for it. Also, anyone who refers to the president as "Hussein Obama" or "Barry Soetoro" "the Kenyan" cannot be taken seriously. The use of that derisive nonsense indicates someone who's determined to hate him no matter what. Those are terms used by bigots who have realized they can't get away with calling him "ni__er."
 
This is just more proof that the Republican extremists will complain about absolutely anything Obama does. In his campaign, Obama was derided for saying that we should consider going into Pakistan to find bin Laden. He was portrayed as this war monger who was going to start another war and blah, blah, blah. The decision to send special forces into Pakistan certainly was not a no-brainer automatic one that anyone would have made. Biden advised Obama against it. It was a tough call, and the GOP can't stand that Obama made the right one, so they're desperately trying to spin it to make him look bad. Obama has given credit to the brave soldiers in our military who did the attack and who supported it. He's also given credit to the people who did the intelligence work who made the raid possible. It's laughable when the right-wing complains about Obama scoring political points on this. Bush didn't soak in any political points at all over 9/11 or when Saddam Hussein was captured. LOL. Here's a cartoon that expresses it perfectly:

Politicize%2BBin%2BLaden.jpg


I'm sure they wouldn't have blamed Obama at all if the mission had gone bad just like they didn't blame Carter at all when the hostage rescue mission failed. Rrrrriiiighht.

If Obama found a cure for cancer, the Republicans would find some ridiculous spin to be able to blame him for it. Also, anyone who refers to the president as "Hussein Obama" or "Barry Soetoro" "the Kenyan" cannot be taken seriously. The use of that derisive nonsense indicates someone who's determined to hate him no matter what. Those are terms used by bigots who have realized they can't get away with calling him "ni__er."
quite possibly there may be more truth to your last paragraph than we may want to admit...just possibly...
 
You're not very familiar with how the CIA operates, are you?

ST6, like Delta etc. is a Tier One asset. They move, especially on missions like this against strategic level targets, at the President's Direction.

obvious Child said:
I can bet that you have some idea of what happened, largely that the State Department, Military and Obama refused to accept the make or break agreement set forth by the Iraqi government that US forces who commit any crime, real or perceived would be tried in Iraqi courts. Obama is getting flak for not agreeing to this agreement. But if he did, anyone with a brain would know that Obama would get HUGE flak for agreeing to remove immunity from US forces.

that is correct. The criticism here is the failure of The One who was going to balm all wounds with Smart Power to successfully negotiate a simple F'ing SOFA treaty in such a manner as to allow us to finish the mission in the best manner possible. It's not a critique of intent, but of competence
 
He should get some credit. Ultimately, he is Commander in Chief and it comes down to his call to make the attack or not. He has to weigh the potential recruitment or retalliation problems if we failed and even if we succeeded, the risk of the lives of the men performing the action, and a plethora of other things. Regardless of whether not I like the man as President, he absolutely deserves SOME Credit.

George W. Bush ALSO deserves some credit and I'd suggest something about on par with Obama. It was programs and changes in law, put in place by him and his administration, that allowed for the string of intel that eventually led to the death of Bin Laden to occur. He, just as Obama, had to make those same critical decisions weighing the potential harm and benefits with the various things he authorized that led to that intel.

However, the VAST majority of the credit goes to the military and the intelligence community. The Men and Women who were actually risking their lives or dedicating their lives to obtaining that information and carrying out the action that the information allowed us to do.

I do have a poor taste in my mouth whenever I see Obama making hte killing of Bin Laden a focal point of some great thing he did becuase to me it belittles and lowers the importance of everyone else involved. The final death of Bin Laden was something that came together over the span of TWO Presidents, not just one, despite the killing blow coming under Obama's time. This was a moment of success for America...not Barack Obama, not George Bush, but all of us. To make it into a campaign plank to thump his chest over saddens me and I believe is an insult to those who ACTUALLY were the ones who deserve the most credit.

In no way should Obama not be given credit for the act...he does deserve some and to say otherwise, to me, is foolish. But at the same time, he is one peice of a much larger puzzle and the vast majority of that puzzle isn't any individual President.
 
I'm not clicking on it. Bush showed up on a damn aircraft carrier dressing like a fool as if he personally achieved victory. That was before what 4,000 military deaths? Obama gave a short speech in the white house. He acted like an adult. He did make the decision to kill bin laden, and he emphasized in the debates that it would be a priority. It could have gone terribly like Carter's hostage crisis. It took guts to do that. When Hussein was captured, there was very little in the way of the this nonsense of "Oh my, Bush is taking too much credit cry cry." It doesn't even matter. Would you rather not have Bin laden dead?
 
It was a tough decision to make. It could have turned out like Black Hawk down.

It's not unusual for a superior to take credit for the work of the workers. It happens to me all the time.
 
It was a tough decision to make. It could have turned out like Black Hawk down.

It's not unusual for a superior to take credit for the work of the workers. It happens to me all the time.[/QUOTE]

That is ridiculous...This is about people dying if something goes wrong not about some supervisor getting credit for something...........
 
Even the Navy tells us that if you had any part in something, take credit for it on your evaluations.

Because the reasonable person will understand that that is how the system works. Anyone who knows the game will know that this is how it works.

I bet the special forces in the military expect the President to take some credit for things they do. Many may not like it, but it is how it is.

And no President would have turned down the opportunity to take that credit, especially during a campaign season. How much may vary, but unless they are bringing it up constantly and/or saying things or implying things that are lies, then I don't care how much credit they take.
 
I think the guys in Seal Team 6 should have gotten 100% of the credit for getting OBL. I goes without saying that the president gave the order.........In listening to Hussein Obama I have heard so many "I did this" or "I gave the order"...All this while sitting safely in the WH. Americans should be disgusted over this and many are..........
 
I think the guys in Seal Team 6 should have gotten 100% of the credit for getting OBL. I goes without saying that the president gave the order.........In listening to Hussein Obama I have heard so many "I did this" or "I gave the order"...All this while sitting safely in the WH. Americans should be disgusted over this and many are..........

Damn that Obama for actually teling it like it was....
 
Navy would give credit to Bush had the call been made on his watch.
 
I think the guys in Seal Team 6 should have gotten 100% of the credit for getting OBL. I goes without saying that the president gave the order.........In listening to Hussein Obama I have heard so many "I did this" or "I gave the order"...All this while sitting safely in the WH. Americans should be disgusted over this and many are..........
Interesting, the Seals were not standing on the shoulders of all of the efforts to track down UBL since the Clinton admin.....no.......they did it themselves 100%.
 
Damn that Obama for actually teling it like it was....

I know your bias but I can't believe you would defend Hussein Obama on this and you being EX Navy, shame on you Redress. Everyone knows he gave the order, he does not have to repeat it over and over.........Even far leftys like Ariana Huffington has said so...
 
I know your bias but I can't believe you would defend Hussein Obama on this and you being EX Navy, shame on you Redress. Everyone knows he gave the order, he does not have to repeat it over and over.........Even far leftys like Ariana Huffington has said so...

Would any Republican in his position be doing any differently NP?

An honest answer would be, "not likely".
 
Navy would give credit to Bush had the call been made on his watch.

When President Bush got Hussein Obama, whoops I mean Saddam Hussein I never heard him once say I did this or I did that......That is the difference between a President with class ond one with none......
 
When President Bush got Hussein Obama, whoops I mean Saddam Hussein I never heard him once say I did this or I did that......That is the difference between a President with class ond one with none......
Right....instead you argue that the Seals should say "we did this all ourselves, 100%".
 
When President Bush got Hussein Obama, whoops I mean Saddam Hussein I never heard him once say I did this or I did that......That is the difference between a President with class ond one with none......

He largely didn't take credit, however, perhaps a better comparison would be when he ordered a strike on locations where Saddam and top government officials were supposed to be located.
 
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If the mission had failed, or our SEALs had ben taken captive and paraided on Al Jazeera tv, Obama would have been finished. Utterly finished.

The final decision was his. It was a very tough call. The reputation of the USA was at stake...as was his Presidency.

THAT'S why he gets a lot of the credit. Those who take big risks, get to take credit for a job well done.
 
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