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Do you believe in God?[W:359]

Do you believe in God?

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Re: Do you believe in God?

Cephus said:
Why should we have to scare them at all? Why shouldn't most people do the right thing, just because it's the right thing to do?
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lol

Since when was that set in stone?
 
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Not even close and I consider the entire notion of God silly, naive and illogical in the extreme....
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Not even close and I consider the entire notion of God silly, naive and illogical in the extreme....
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Me too. Almost as silly, naive, and illogical as believing that intelligence came about from something besides intelligence.

yet, one idea or the other must be true.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Not even close and I consider the entire notion of God silly, naive and illogical in the extreme....
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I don't know if it's really silly or what have you. I can understand how some may draw the conclusion. There's of course sociological impacts and such as well for being brought up religious and taught it from an early age. In the end, I can see why people want there to be a god, how we could maybe even be better off in some aspects if there were a god. There's just no evidence for one nor anything in nature which would demand one.
 
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Cephus said:
Why should we have to scare them at all? Why shouldn't most people do the right thing, just because it's the right thing to do?
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It is not necessary for the intelligent person to believe in any deity in order to do the right thing, just as it is not necessary to retain any conception of right or wrong in order to comprehend with absolute clarity the existence of G-d. The "fire and brimstone' stuff is just a device contrived for the not so intelligent, but nevertheless quite numerous, dunderheads among us who lack the necessary prefrontal connections to guide their behavior by means of rational perception and conscientious empathy. Primal fear of the unknown must be evoked in order to persuade the dunderheads to behave in a civil manner. This has less to do with the actual existence of G-d as it does with the need to maintain social order.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Not even close and I consider the entire notion of God silly, naive and illogical in the extreme....
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The "notion of God" is not so much silly as it is a profound impediment to the comprehension of G-d.

G-d cannot be comprehended conceptually. G-d is only comprehensible through total subjectivity (which is not to say "God is subjective").
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Me too. Almost as silly, naive, and illogical as believing that intelligence came about from something besides intelligence.

yet, one idea or the other must be true.
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Not really... intelligence could evolve as species learn how to better adapt. Nothing silly, naive or illogical about that at all... ;)
 
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Ikari said:
I don't know if it's really silly or what have you. I can understand how some may draw the conclusion. There's of course sociological impacts and such as well for being brought up religious and taught it from an early age. In the end, I can see why people want there to be a god, how we could maybe even be better off in some aspects if there were a god. There's just no evidence for one nor anything in nature which would demand one.
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I was trying to invoke a reaction more than anything. Agreed. The "need" for their to be a God and salvation along with everlasting life is very comforting ideas and I can also see why so many people believe. After being indoctrinated from birth most can't see any other way of thinking.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Not really... intelligence could evolve as species learn how to better adapt. Nothing silly, naive or illogical about that at all... ;)
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It's possible, of course, that intelligence simply developed all on its own.

Or, it's possible that intelligence created intelligence.

There is no proof of either one, other than that there is no third alternative.

and the general rule is that like begets like.
 
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Sig said:
The "notion of God" is not so much silly as it is a profound impediment to the comprehension of G-d.

G-d cannot be comprehended conceptually. G-d is only comprehensible through total subjectivity (which is not to say "God is subjective").
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The need to explain existence with God is no more true than the need of the Greeks to explain volcanic eruption with Hades...
 
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Dittohead not! said:
It's possible, of course, that intelligence simply developed all on its own.

Or, it's possible that intelligence created intelligence.

There is no proof of either one, other than that there is no third alternative.

and the general rule is that like begets like.
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By that idea then life evolved just as life does in the womb and as intelligence evolves in the person from a single cell to a multi cell and fully functioning brain... like begets like is right.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
By that idea then life evolved just as life does in the womb and as intelligence evolves in the person from a single cell to a multi cell and fully functioning brain... like begets like is right.
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yes, just like in the womb, according to a plan.

Then, there is the question of how life began in the first place. Anyone have a definitive answer to that one?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
yes, just like in the womb, according to a plan.

Then, there is the question of how life began in the first place. Anyone have a definitive answer to that one?
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What plan? A sperm can meet an egg for any number of unplanned reasons. What is important is the result. Life. Life that evolves from an unthinking cellular blob to an intelligent being capable of convoluting a simple thing into a search for meaning.

No idea how life began in the first place... it may very well have been God, but I doubt it.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
What plan? A sperm can meet an egg for any number of unplanned reasons. What is important is the result. Life. Life that evolves from an unthinking cellular blob to an intelligent being capable of convoluting a simple thing into a search for meaning.

No idea how life began in the first place... it may very well have been God, but I doubt it.
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The plan is coded in the DNA. The baby doesn't just develop at random, but according to a very specific blueprint encoded in the genes.
 
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evanescence said:
That doesn't prove that god exists.
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Nothing proves that god exists, nor that god doesn't exist.

The DNA code is the result of evolution, or the DNA code was deliberately developed through evolution. Man was created, or just happened. Intelligence was begotten by intelligence, or just developed on its own.

Or, there is a third alternative after all: intelligence has always existed.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Nothing proves that god exists, nor that god doesn't exist.

The DNA code is the result of evolution, or the DNA code was deliberately developed through evolution. Man was created, or just happened. Intelligence was begotten by intelligence, or just developed on its own.

Or, there is a third alternative after all: intelligence has always existed.
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Why can't intelligence result from non intelligence?
 
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evanescence said:
Why can't intelligence result from non intelligence?
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That it did is one of two equally unlikely scenarios, one of which must be true:

Intelligence resulted from non intelligence, or god created intelligence.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
The plan is coded in the DNA. The baby doesn't just develop at random, but according to a very specific blueprint encoded in the genes.
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It evolved that way... humans developed that way at random through adaptation.
 
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Sig said:
It is not necessary for the intelligent person to believe in any deity in order to do the right thing, just as it is not necessary to retain any conception of right or wrong in order to comprehend with absolute clarity the existence of G-d. The "fire and brimstone' stuff is just a device contrived for the not so intelligent, but nevertheless quite numerous, dunderheads among us who lack the necessary prefrontal connections to guide their behavior by means of rational perception and conscientious empathy. Primal fear of the unknown must be evoked in order to persuade the dunderheads to behave in a civil manner. This has less to do with the actual existence of G-d as it does with the need to maintain social order.
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I'd be happier to give people primal fear of the absolutely known. Society makes the rules, not some imaginary friend in the sky. Society enforces the rules, not an invisible deity. Punishment is immediate, not something that happens after death. I get really tired of the concept that some people are just so stupidthat they can't deal with reality, they have to be threatened by magical nonsense.
 
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