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Are you better off today then you were 3 years ago?

Are you better off today then you were 3 years ago?


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I will attribute that to almost 3 years ago my son was born, so yes, in every possible way. :thumbs:

Is it almost three years, already? It seems like yesterday. How come time related to children seems to go faster than other time? I still can't get over the fact that my son's one now. Was the explanation of this phenomenon in Einstein's theory of relativity and somehow I missed it?
 
Is it almost three years, already? It seems like yesterday. How come time related to children seems to go faster than other time? I still can't get over the fact that my son's one now. Was the explanation of this phenomenon in Einstein's theory of relativity and somehow I missed it?



yeah, it flies. It is amazing!
 
Overall, we are better off. My Daughter is a college senior. Hubby has been at current job about 4 years now (so he has a bit of seniority). I'm retired from my many long employment years, but did work several months last year (temping). I look after our farm and livestock every day. Summer is coming and we've got some camping plans. It's all good.
 
Not in the US. The president is merely a variable in the overall situation. Your ability tot adapt, anticipate, and adjust to those variables is what causes you to fail or succeed. If, after three years of the same variables in place you continue to fail, then you have nobody to blame but yourself because you have failed to adjust, adapt, and anticipate.

You are correct that you have to live in the now and adjust to things as they are and we are in a period of lowered expectations so people think they are doing well if they aren't losing ground. If you bother to look at this site though you will see in raw detail how bad this economy has become over the last 3 years and you will see if we don't change the way things are done in DC lowered expectations will be around for a very long time. With numbers like this there will be corresponding numbers of people that just can't make any progress and will in fact lose ground.

The economic case against Obamanomics in 13 charts « The Enterprise Blog
 
Its really funny how the people in DP see this and those on the national level...........The results here are right along partian lines......I guess it proves that the lefties no matter how much he ****s up love Hussein Obama and us on the right think he is the worse president this country has ever had.......Thank God people in the real world don't see it the Hussein Obama way....

Except for not being along party lines. Hell, there are several people who voted yes who are much more conservative than you. Navy, stop making **** up.
 
You are correct that you have to live in the now and adjust to things as they are and we are in a period of lowered expectations so people think they are doing well if they aren't losing ground. If you bother to look at this site though you will see in raw detail how bad this economy has become over the last 3 years and you will see if we don't change the way things are done in DC lowered expectations will be around for a very long time. With numbers like this there will be corresponding numbers of people that just can't make any progress and will in fact lose ground.

The economic case against Obamanomics in 13 charts « The Enterprise Blog

Perhaps we need to lower expectations.

I have friends who bemoan their financial state because they can't afford a 4th flat screen TV for their $250k home. They also have maxed out credit cards, over-sized vehicles with incredibly high monthly payments, and wear designer clothing. Why? Why is that the standard people are trying to live up to and why would it be bad if we lowered our expectations below that?

I was raised to believe that you leave everything behind when you die, so there's really little point in collecting expensive material crap at the detriment of your other responsibilities or ability to enjoy life. In other words, I don't need a Mercedes when a Ford Focus will do just fine. I don't need a 250k house just 'cause I got pre-approved for that amount. I don't need a flat screen in every room of my house. I don't need to go out and buy a better deck than my neighbor just to say I have it.

Our material expectations are ridiculous.
 
Why yes, yes I am. But then again I am the Greatness that is The Good Reverend... how could I not be? :pimpdaddy:

Based on how NP figures it, you are a liberal, my left wing friend.
 
I think we're loads better off at my house than we were 3 years ago. Maybe we're just lucky? the only negative I've noticed is higher gasoline prices.
 
Its really funny how the people in DP see this and those on the national level...........The results here are right along partian lines......I guess it proves that the lefties no matter how much he ****s up love Hussein Obama and us on the right think he is the worse president this country has ever had.......Thank God people in the real world don't see it the Hussein Obama way....

Mitt Romney: Of Course The Economy Is Getting Better | RealClearPolitics

Even the republican nominee is saying that things are getting better. You think the Republican nominee is a liberal democrat?
 
To some extent I agree but the government you are under can and does make it easier or more difficult to succeed economically, obama has made it more difficult. I should say obama and the Dems in DC not just him alone.

Unless your life circumstances are somewhat unusual (e.g. you're chronically on government assistance, or you're in prison, etc) then the direct impact that any particular politician or group of politicians has on your life is approximately nil. I might - *might* - grant you that perhaps 5% of the variability in your life circumstances is a result of specific people being in charge of the government. The other 95% of it is on you. A qualified person can prosper even in tough economic times, and a disaffected person will have trouble even in good economic times.

When I look back over the course of my life, it has its share of ups and downs. But virtually ALL of the ups and downs are related to my personal circumstances, not politics. I don't think of my own life in terms of who was president when I was 16 or 21 or 27...I don't know of anyone who does.
 
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Facts don't change in a year friend, in fact things are even worse now friend.

Just keep saying that to yourself maybe it will come true...or you could man up and admit that Obama did not do such a bad job after all.
 
Are you better off today, THAN you were 3 years ago?

Answer: Of Course, I am much better off today, than I was three years ago. Is that not obvious?


Neocons no longer control the White House. That is the Number #1 reason WHY the entire planet is better off today, than it was three (3) years ago. More to the point - we are all better off now, than we were during the prior eight (8) years before November, 2008.

You don't have people in the White House who are trying to literally kill you.
You don't have people in the White House who are executing on global imperialistic plans.
You don't have people in the White House who are launching illegal wars for oil.
You don't have people in the White House who are creating false national intelligence estimates.
You don't have people in the White House who are intentionally trying to crash the American Economy.
You don't have people in the White House who are perpetually lying to the American People.
You don't have people in the White House who strike quid pro quo deals with Saudi Royals, at the expense of U.S. National Security.
You don't have people in the White House who are selling-out strategic U.S. Port Authority to foreign nations.
You don't have people in the White House who turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to America's need to educate its People.

The United States Economy was pushed over a cliff by people in the White House and the United States Congress, who could give a rats tail about both you, or me. A $14 Trillion economy allowed to go sideways for eight (8) long miserable years, does not and will not stop on a dime and reverse itself, just because you think it should. Our economy was trashed for at least eight (8) years and having built-up such momentum in the wrong direction, it will take a lot more than a typical recovery cycle to correct the problems.

The old U.S. Economy is dead - forever. Get that fact through your head. The sooner people get used to that idea, the sooner this country will REMOVE the current United States Congress, and replace it with elected Representatives who understand the depth and complexity of our economic problems, as well as HOW to fix them.

You will NEVER see the same U.S. economic model that you saw before - ever. Get used to it.

WELCOME to the NEW WORLD ORDER that you were promised back in the 1980's. You voted for those people and THEY delivered exactly what they promised you. A NEW WORLD ORDER. Did you think they were kidding when they announced it directly to your face?

Why are you now (all of a sudden) so darned surprised by their "glorious accomplishments" (read: abject failures)!
 
No, my income per W-2s dropped between 2010 and 2011.
 
Are you better off today, THAN you were 3 years ago?

Answer: Of Course, I am much better off today, than I was three years ago. Is that not obvious?


Neocons no longer control the White House. That is the Number #1 reason WHY the entire planet is better off today, than it was three (3) years ago. More to the point - we are all better off now, than we were during the prior eight (8) years before November, 2008.

You don't have people in the White House who are trying to literally kill you.
You don't have people in the White House who are executing on global imperialistic plans.
You don't have people in the White House who are launching illegal wars for oil.
You don't have people in the White House who are creating false national intelligence estimates.
You don't have people in the White House who are intentionally trying to crash the American Economy.
You don't have people in the White House who are perpetually lying to the American People.
You don't have people in the White House who strike quid pro quo deals with Saudi Royals, at the expense of U.S. National Security.
You don't have people in the White House who are selling-out strategic U.S. Port Authority to foreign nations.
You don't have people in the White House who turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to America's need to educate its People.

The United States Economy was pushed over a cliff by people in the White House and the United States Congress, who could give a rats tail about both you, or me. A $14 Trillion economy allowed to go sideways for eight (8) long miserable years, does not and will not stop on a dime and reverse itself, just because you think it should. Our economy was trashed for at least eight (8) years and having built-up such momentum in the wrong direction, it will take a lot more than a typical recovery cycle to correct the problems.

The old U.S. Economy is dead - forever. Get that fact through your head. The sooner people get used to that idea, the sooner this country will REMOVE the current United States Congress, and replace it with elected Representatives who understand the depth and complexity of our economic problems, as well as HOW to fix them.

You will NEVER see the same U.S. economic model that you saw before - ever. Get used to it.

WELCOME to the NEW WORLD ORDER that you were promised back in the 1980's. You voted for those people and THEY delivered exactly what they promised you. A NEW WORLD ORDER. Did you think they were kidding when they announced it directly to your face?

Why are you now (all of a sudden) so darned surprised by their "glorious accomplishments" (read: abject failures)!

You say you're a centrist, right?
 
Did your thread not go the way you want? Would it make you feel better if I told you I was homeless and I never got to see my child? I bet it would.

Wow, you had a child? That is a medical first.....You can make a lot of money if you can prove it.....:wink2:
 
Since I already voted I am not able to count the anonymous votes....I would bet they are a lot of DP lefties voting 2 or 3 times though.....Sadly its very easy to do.....
 
Since I already voted I am not able to count the anonymous votes....I would bet they are a lot of DP lefties voting 2 or 3 times though.....Sadly its very easy to do.....

So don't count the votes of people not signed in. That is a major plus of making votes public, you can count how many people who are signed in voted one way or the other.

The count is 42-yes, 13-no. Check it out for yourself NP.
 
You are correct that you have to live in the now and adjust to things as they are and we are in a period of lowered expectations so people think they are doing well if they aren't losing ground.

Pure nonsense.

First of all, you are ignoring the fact that people in this thread were not asked if they were doing well right now, they were asked if they were better off than they were three years ago. Someone who is better off might still be struggling. That has precisely jack **** to do with expectations and politics.

Next, you are ignoring any and all data that doesn't provide support your own position. Stock market data, for example. Any moron with a blog and an agenda can cite cherry-picked numbers and charts that imply whatever they want to imply. Only a complete hack considers such overtly biased sources to be useful in any way, shape, or form. An intelligent, unbiased source will put ALL of the data out there.

Finally, you are employing the fallacy of false causes. In simple terms, this means that you (and your "source", and I use that term very, very loosely) make the claim that correlation equals causation. Despite teh clear fact that every single piece of data cited shows that the starting point of the decline pre-dates the hypothesized cause of the decline. That not only indicates piss poor logic skills, but it implies complete and total ignorance of the very nature of cause and effect.

As I said in an earlier post, at most a president can help speed up or slow down a recovery. They cannot start or stop it, and more often than not they have little to no effect on it, overall.

And frankly, the blogger you cited shows himself to be clueless of why, exactly, this recovery is going slower than others. Take this load of ****, for example: "10. The slow, anemic recovery has contributed to keeping the housing market in a depressed state."

That shows a profound ignorance of what actually caused the decline: The housing bubble. Jesus himself couldn't raise the housing market to previous levels because the previous levels were all bull****. And the slow nature of this recovery is in part due to the fact that an investment option which had previously been considered "safe" was the cause of of the economic collapse in the first place. The housing market had traditionally been a positive factor in economic recoveries. This time, we don't want the housing market to get anywhere near where it was before the recession for a least another decade.

Trying to use real estate data as a way to claim Obama's recovery plans aren't working is downright asinine. People with such mentalities are actually complaining about real estate investments where they made $90,000 over a 15-year period on a $100,000 investment. That's an appreciation rate of about 4.4% annually over 15 years and a 90% return on the initial investment in 15 years. Just on the value increase. If they rent the property they are probably earning off of the property and if they are smart, they are paying less in mortgage than what they are renting it for meaning that they essentially aren't even really putting in that initial $100,000 since the investment is paying for itself, at least partially.

But that person might focus on the highest prices during the bubble and come to the absurd conclusion that they lost money due to the housing bubble bursting. But they never had any money. They simply failed to maximize the return from their investment because they didn't sell when the market was inflated. They are still getting a mighty fine return on their investment, though. Certainly a more sustainable one.

Like I said, though, if one hand picks the data to suit their goals, they can say almost anything they want. Perhaps educating one's self instead of blindly trusting biased and ignorant sources is a better approach.
 
Holding about steady. In general over the past few Presidents, most people are doing worse off comparably. Wealth has for some time been accumulating in the hands of a few while being drained from the masses and as such real wages when adjusted for cost of living and inflation has been stead or slightly declining for most. So I guess it's all Status Quo. You're lucky if you hold even, statistically you're losing.
 
So don't count the votes of people not signed in. That is a major plus of making votes public, you can count how many people who are signed in voted one way or the other.

The count is 42-yes, 13-no. Check it out for yourself NP.

I did that.......Surely you follow the polls in the real world........Why are the results 180 out?
 
I did that.......Surely you follow the polls in the real world........Why are the results 180 out?

Let's see the poll you are referring to out in the real world NP.
 
I did that.......Surely you follow the polls in the real world........Why are the results 180 out?

Actually, no I don't follow the polls of the RW when it comes to your question because I don't really care that much about people whining, nor do I really know their individual situations. Here, on the Internet, we can get more of an explanation for why people feel they are better or worse off, overall, than we do just from looking at a poll.

Why do you think they are different? Most people have given quite personal reasoning behind why they have it better today than they did 3 years ago, even if its not very detailed for some. Reasoning that, for the most part, has nothing to do with their political lean, and certainly would be very little different if someone besides Obama was in office (providing it wasn't an actual dictator who set up a very restrictive government for everyone).

Maybe those who have fallen on harder times cannot afford to be on the Internet, particularly DP, discussing whether their life really is better or worse. Maybe DP just has a larger amount of people who are able to make their lives better no matter who is President.
 
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