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US, Canada alone at summit in Cuba stance

Why is Cuba embargoed?

  • It is a military threat to the USA.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Corporations that were hurt by Castro own Congressmen and are getting revenge.

    Votes: 2 100.0%

  • Cuba's low cost medical care threaten USA medical systems.

    Votes: 1 50.0%

  • Cuba's successful people-oriented agrarian policies threaten USA Corporate style agriculture.

    Votes: 1 50.0%

  • Cuba is evil.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Cuba is Communist and Communism is bad.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    2
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CARTAGENA, Colombia (AP) -- A summit of 33 Western Hemisphere leaders opens Saturday with the United States and Canada standing firm, but alone, against everyone else's insistence that Cuba join future summits.


Is Cuba a threat?
Why do we embargo Cuba?
Is Cuba evil?
Is this a "Korporate" motivated embargo?
Who or specifically which Corporations suffered when Castro took over?
 
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DaveFagan said:
CARTAGENA, Colombia (AP) -- A summit of 33 Western Hemisphere leaders opens Saturday with the United States and Canada standing firm, but alone, against everyone else's insistence that Cuba join future summits.


Is Cuba a threat?
Why do we embargo Cuba?
Is Cuba evil?
Is this a "Korporate" motivated embargo?
Who or specifically which Corporations suffered when Castro took over?
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Truly ridiculous, sanctions against countries such as this only help further impoverish and weaken their already subservient citizens.
 
Hare said:
Truly ridiculous, sanctions against countries such as this only help further impoverish and weaken their already subservient citizens.
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Agreed. I posted hoping to encourage discussion on who would profit from this embargo and stimulate questions as to why, after 60 years, this embargo continues. It's takes political power and huge disinformation in the media to maintain this charade. Who really runs our government? Do some old Corporations run the USA? Banking, gambling, sugar, liquor/whiskey, etc. were the Corporations who suffered as a result of Castro's takeover. Do these Corporations have more influence over our government than citizens?
 
DaveFagan said:
Agreed. I posted hoping to encourage discussion on who would profit from this embargo and stimulate questions as to why, after 60 years, this embargo continues. It's takes political power and huge disinformation in the media to maintain this charade. Who really runs our government? Do some old Corporations run the USA? Banking, gambling, sugar, liquor/whiskey, etc. were the Corporations who suffered as a result of Castro's takeover. Do these Corporations have more influence over our government than citizens?
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I'd cite a few reasons, a persistent soviet era mindset and historically protectionist trade policies, even though open trade has proven historically to be a superb catalyst for growth and profit both here and abroad. I stumbled across a great discussion about the embargo on Cuba and some excellent reasoning on behalf of lifting the blockade. The Cuban Economic Embargo: Time for a New Approach? | Cato's Center for Trade Policy Studies.
 
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The embargo is nothing more than a Florida wedge issue.

Any candidate who wants to win the presidency needs to win Florida, and the fact of the matter is keeping an embargo is an important issue in that state and that's why no presidential candidate wants to touch it, and even if a president could lead the way on this issue, Congress would go crazy and the right wing media would go nuts at a republican or democrat in office going with it, labelling them a communist sympathizer.

It has nothing to do with practicality.

To end this cold war era, act of childish futility is the only way to get change in Cuba, by opening up trade with Cuba you open new markets and opportunities to the United States and the Cuban people that will benefit both.

And don't talk to me about your concerns for human rights, unless you're telling me you're going to cut off trade with China, Russia so on and so forth...
 
Jetboogieman said:
The embargo is nothing more than a Florida wedge issue.

Any candidate who wants to win the presidency needs to win Florida, and the fact of the matter is keeping an embargo is an important issue in that state and that's why no presidential candidate wants to touch it, and even if a president could lead the way on this issue, Congress would go crazy and the right wing media would go nuts at a republican or democrat in office going with it, labelling them a communist sympathizer.

It has nothing to do with practicality.

To end this cold war era, act of childish futility is the only way to get change in Cuba, by opening up trade with Cuba you open new markets and opportunities to the United States and the Cuban people that will benefit both.

And don't talk to me about your concerns for human rights, unless you're telling me you're going to cut off trade with China, Russia so on and so forth...
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Jimmy Carter tried to end the embargo and was unsuccessful. All the blame would have gone to Carter, but even then he could not get the votes to lift the embargo, so there is more to this than Florida politics. I acknowledge that it is a part of it because of the high concentration of Cuban expatriates in south Florida and the number of electoral votes the state represents, but it does not account for this position as defined by the Jimmy Carter info.
 
Canada is on the US' side in this? I thought the US was pretty much alone in this indefensible stance.

Dave Fagan said:
Is Cuba a threat?
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Of course not.

Why do we embargo Cuba?
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Because it's good politics for senators/presidents who depend on the votes of Cuban-Americans.

Is Cuba evil?
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That's a very judgmental term...I don't even like applying it to people, let alone entire nations.

Is this a "Korporate" motivated embargo?
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Nah, most corporations would love to gain access to the Cuban market. It's a politics-motivated embargo.
 
Most corporations would love to get access to Cuban markets. It's just that the embargo is a wedge issue for Florida voters. The people who want the embargo to remain in place the most are probably the Castro brothers. Few things are more useful to dictators than a foreign country posing as a threat. Since the embargo Castro has just had to point to it, say "Afuera, Yanqui!" and most people take less notice of his own abuses. If you want communism in Cuba to fall, lifting the embargo would be a great start.
 
DaveFagan said:
Jimmy Carter tried to end the embargo and was unsuccessful. All the blame would have gone to Carter, but even then he could not get the votes to lift the embargo, so there is more to this than Florida politics. I acknowledge that it is a part of it because of the high concentration of Cuban expatriates in south Florida and the number of electoral votes the state represents, but it does not account for this position as defined by the Jimmy Carter info.
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I agree with both you and Jetboogieman. It's more than just a Florida wedge issue, but it is also primarily a Florida wedge issue, if that makes sense.

I cannot repeat it, because I don't remember all the words in the radio interview, but ESPN's Dan Le Batard (on the Colin Cowherd Show a couple days ago) gave a very articulate history and background on the embargo. For the most part I feel that the embargo has long since outlived its usefulness, but his explanation was worthy of listening, IMO.

Note: The interview is about Ozzie Guillen's recent comments, but it also goes into the embargo in general.
 
Unfortunately the embargo impoverishes the Cuban people rather than removes the current regime.
 
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