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Somalia or North Korea?

Somalia or North Korea?

  • Somalia

    Votes: 7 77.8%
  • North Korea

    Votes: 2 22.2%

  • Total voters
    9

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So a stock response to a Libertarian may be "Yeah, see how Somalia works out for you". To a Socialist, an opponent may query why they don't move to North Korea.

So given those stark options, forced out of a home country which views you as a dangerous extremist, which do you choose given two hypothetical plane tickets?
 
Now, let me preface this by saying that Somalia is a terrible place to live. Poverty, violence, and oppressive Islamist groups would ruin my day, but Somalia has improved in many ways since 1991. The Ethiopian and Kenyan invasions have thoroughly f'd up the country, but I doubt that North Korea is better.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/so.html

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kn.html

http://www.observatori.org/paises/pais_74/documentos/64_somalia.pdf
 
So given those stark options, forced out of a home country which views you as a dangerous extremist, which do you choose given two hypothetical plane tickets?


Neither. Nope. I refuse to vote :roll::(
 
I thought this was a silly poll but then decided why not. I picked Somalia but for 1 and only 1 reason. It is easier to leave Somalia than North Korea.
 
So a stock response to a Libertarian may be "Yeah, see how Somalia works out for you". To a Socialist, an opponent may query why they don't move to North Korea.

So given those stark options, forced out of a home country which views you as a dangerous extremist, which do you choose given two hypothetical plane tickets?

North Korea isn't socialist or even Marxist. It's an authoritarian racial military state.

Somalia isn't a libertarian situation in the least; it's a failed state ravaged by civil war. A basic government is needed to protect property rights to even start considering a nation "libertarian".
 
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Neither. Nope. I refuse to vote :roll::(

No vote here either...What is the difference between Hades and Hell ?

However, 5 years from now, NK may have softened and in 10 years may reunite with SK.

I do not see the same good outlook for Somalia....it takes time to progress from the stone age..
 
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No thank you.



:mrgreen:
 
So a stock response to a Libertarian may be "Yeah, see how Somalia works out for you". To a Socialist, an opponent may query why they don't move to North Korea.

So given those stark options, forced out of a home country which views you as a dangerous extremist, which do you choose given two hypothetical plane tickets?

This is an interesting topic. It's also hard to give you a straight answer. On the one hand, North Korea is somewhat more stable and has laws. Corrupt laws, but laws. Somalia is governed largely by the rule of violence. Given that I'm not particularly violent, but very good with the law, I'd probably be better off in North Korea. It's a suckers game either way, though.
 
North Korea. At least there is a government.
 
So a stock response to a Libertarian may be "Yeah, see how Somalia works out for you". To a Socialist, an opponent may query why they don't move to North Korea.

So given those stark options, forced out of a home country which views you as a dangerous extremist, which do you choose given two hypothetical plane tickets?

the problem, being, of course, that anarchy =/= libertarianism, which assumes among other things a State with Police Powers to enforce the Rule of Law, Individual Rights, Contracts, and so on and so forth.


however, I vote Somalia. If you can get your hands on a gun, you've got a fighting chance of making it to a African-Force structure. Assuming you know where they are.
 
the problem, being, of course, that anarchy =/= libertarianism, which assumes among other things a State with Police Powers to enforce the Rule of Law, Individual Rights, Contracts, and so on and so forth.

It depends on the flavor of libertarianism. Anarcho-capitalists, for example, do not support a State to enforce natural rights.
 
Many people (not all) who espouse libertarian ideals do so to the extreme... government is always a hindrance, people can govern themselves if left alone, it's MY money/life/whatever, yada yada yada. Hence, the Somalia comparison/option. Somalia proves, in it's own way, that a complete and total lack of structure doesn't work, either, which is really what the absolute extreme of libertarianism is. There will always be some person wanting to be a warlord or some dictator-type that will screw it up for everybody else. It's the human factor, which libertarianism can't seem to reconcile.

The point being when these stark contrasts are brought up, I think, is... like it or not, there needs to be some foundation and structure of some kind, and it will probably infringe to some degree on people's 'rights', but the extreme alternative is not as warm-and-fuzzy as imagined. If you really think so, there is a "country" where you can try it out. In fact, to hear some people espouse how limiting government interference is to our well being, one would think that a place like Somalia would be a shining beacon of human spirit and individual accomplishment lifting everybody out of poverty and into unprecedented prosperity.
 
No vote here either...What is the difference between Hades and Hell ?

However, 5 years from now, NK may have softened and in 10 years may reunite with SK.

I do not see the same good outlook for Somalia....it takes time to progress from the stone age..



Yes! Hades or Hell

thanks but no thanks ...:thumbdown:no:
 
This poll shows a complete lack of understanding of life in Somalia. It's not the wild west people in North America think it is. Sure - it's a dangerous place but I'd take Somalia vs. the DRC any day of the week.
 
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