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Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

Who will you vote for in the 2012 Presidential Election?


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I will assume you are one of the snotty people that actually think a PhD means 'intelligence', and that's the end of the story.

Would you prefer a surgeon with a PhD or with a Bachelors?
 
Would you prefer a surgeon with a PhD or with a Bachelors?

I'd rather have one with an M.D. or a D.O., but that's just me.

But I'd rather a surgeon with a bachelors in veterinary medicine over someone with a PhD in history or physics.

Editted to add: I'd take one with a bachelors in Veterinary science over one with a PhD in biology, actually.
 
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I'd rather have one with an M.D. or a D.O., but that's just me.

But I'd rather a surgeon with a bachelors in veterinary medicine over someone with a PhD in history or physics.

Editted to add: I'd take one with a bachelors in Veterinary science over one with a PhD in biology, actually.

Sorry about the confusion. I don't know much about medical education, so that was probably a bad example.

Arbo, would you prefer a surgeon with an MD or one with a bachelor's in medical?
 
I respect people that worked to get a PHD...but some PHDs are fairly worthless...I had a cop working for me that had a PHD in Chinese Philosophy from Univ of Hawaii...I guess he didnt figure on how he was going to fit that in to making a living..
THe other example I would like to give is Audiologists with PHDs that fit hearing aids...the same thing Audioprostologists have done with a HS education for decades...masters and PHD in hearing aid programming is overkill...
 
The real story is how many who have voted Republican in the past will sit this one out or vote third party.

It would have been interesting if this poll had an option for a third party vote.

the is one area where dems are superior to republicans. Hillary's most rabid howlers voted for Obama. The religious fanatics on the right are whining poor losers.
 
I don't care enough for anything of mine to break-we will see what the supremes do with Obama's bright and shining turd

If your talking about obamacare..I agree with you...as written and passed its a pile of trash...I just dont see how forcing people to buy a commodity can be constitutional and believe me im not constitutional buff...ive never even read it..
 
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Arbo, would you prefer a surgeon with an MD or one with a bachelor's in medical?

You missed my point. Education doesn't have anything to do with intelligence, it has to do with training. A person with bachelors in pre-med hasn't been trained to perform surgery. They might be a damned sight smarter than the guy with the MD, but they don't have any training.

Whereas a person with a bachelors in veterinary medicine does have some training at performing surgery. I'd take them over someone with a PhD in physics any day. The vet has less overall education than the PhD, but they are trained in performing surgery so they are probably the better choice.

****, if it came down to it, I'd take a cattle farmer or butcher that never went to school a day in their life over most PhD's. The farmer or butcher is probably going to have a better understanding of the inner workings of a mammalian body than a history PhD ever will. They are almost certainly going to be better at working their hands, at the very least.

A formal education doesn't make someone more intelligent. Not by a long shot. I'm saying that as a guy who is almost finished getting a master's degree.
 
Not even close 91% for for Gore........89% for the traitor Kerry..........96% for Hussein..........doesn't sound like much but that is thousands of votes and probably got Hussein Obama elected........

Please, just don't call him Hussein. He wasn't named after the Iraqi dictator. His grandfather was named Hussein. Using his middle name to denigrate him is almost stereotypically hackish.
 
You missed my point. Education doesn't have anything to do with intelligence, it has to do with training. A person with bachelors in pre-med hasn't been trained to perform surgery. They might be a damned sight smarter than the guy with the MD, but they don't have any training.

Whereas a person with a bachelors in veterinary medicine does have some training at performing surgery. I'd take them over someone with a PhD in physics any day. The vet has less overall education than the PhD, but they are trained in performing surgery so they are probably the better choice.

****, if it came down to it, I'd take a cattle farmer or butcher that never went to school a day in their life over most PhD's. The farmer or butcher is probably going to have a better understanding of the inner workings of a mammalian body than a history PhD ever will. They are almost certainly going to be better at working their hands, at the very least.

A formal education doesn't make someone more intelligent. Not by a long shot. I'm saying that as a guy who is almost finished getting a master's degree.

You're right. Sheesh, I'm more tired than I thought. I think that education is a sign of determination but not necessarily intelligence. For an issue of voting however the education is what matters. There can be a genius who is very ignorant and a dumbass who is extremely knowledgeable. Preferably someone would be both smart and knowledgeable.
 
You missed my point. Education doesn't have anything to do with intelligence, it has to do with training. A person with bachelors in pre-med hasn't been trained to perform surgery. They might be a damned sight smarter than the guy with the MD, but they don't have any training.

Whereas a person with a bachelors in veterinary medicine does have some training at performing surgery. I'd take them over someone with a PhD in physics any day. The vet has less overall education than the PhD, but they are trained in performing surgery so they are probably the better choice.

****, if it came down to it, I'd take a cattle farmer or butcher that never went to school a day in their life over most PhD's. The farmer or butcher is probably going to have a better understanding of the inner workings of a mammalian body than a history PhD ever will. They are almost certainly going to be better at working their hands, at the very least.

A formal education doesn't make someone more intelligent. Not by a long shot. I'm saying that as a guy who is almost finished getting a master's degree.

excellent point--as my father used to say, never confuse being well educated with intelligence
 
Please, just don't call him Hussein. He wasn't named after the Iraqi dictator. His grandfather was named Hussein. Using his middle name to denigrate him is almost stereotypically hackish.


Oh come on...Navy only has a few items left at it;s disposal. This one is at least completely clear.
 
You missed my point. Education doesn't have anything to do with intelligence, it has to do with training. A person with bachelors in pre-med hasn't been trained to perform surgery. They might be a damned sight smarter than the guy with the MD, but they don't have any training.

Whereas a person with a bachelors in veterinary medicine does have some training at performing surgery. I'd take them over someone with a PhD in physics any day. The vet has less overall education than the PhD, but they are trained in performing surgery so they are probably the better choice.

****, if it came down to it, I'd take a cattle farmer or butcher that never went to school a day in their life over most PhD's. The farmer or butcher is probably going to have a better understanding of the inner workings of a mammalian body than a history PhD ever will. They are almost certainly going to be better at working their hands, at the very least.

A formal education doesn't make someone more intelligent. Not by a long shot. I'm saying that as a guy who is almost finished getting a master's degree.

Maybe I'm biased since mathematics is my field. The qualifying exams I had to take are going to filter out most, regardless of whether you put them through training.
 
Maybe I'm biased since mathematics is my field. The qualifying exams I had to take are going to filter out most, regardless of whether you put them through training.


Same goes for getting a art school like Pratt or cal arts.
 
You're right. Sheesh, I'm more tired than I thought. I think that education is a sign of determination but not necessarily intelligence. For an issue of voting however the education is what matters. There can be a genius who is very ignorant and a dumbass who is extremely knowledgeable. Preferably someone would be both smart and knowledgeable.


I'm not convinced that a formal education actually does much to alleviate ignorance, personally. I know some highly educated people who don't know ****, and some peoplewith no formal education who know more than most.

Anwyay, I'll take an uneducated genius over an educated dumbass because a genius can become educated, a dumbass will always be a dumbass.
 
Maybe I'm biased since mathematics is my field. The qualifying exams I had to take are going to filter out most, regardless of whether you put them through training.

Being good at mathematics is merely a sign that a person is good at mathematics, it's not a sign of intelligence. I've actually met a person with an IQ lower than 75 that can probably give you a run for your money at mathematics.
 
Being good at mathematics is merely a sign that a person is good at mathematics, it's not a sign of intelligence. I've actually met a person with an IQ lower than 75 that can probably give you a run for your money at mathematics.

Its like assuming you are good at football because you have a strong bench press
 
Being good at mathematics is merely a sign that a person is good at mathematics, it's not a sign of intelligence. I've actually met a person with an IQ lower than 75 that can probably give you a run for your money at mathematics.

What definition of intelligence are you using?
 
What definition of intelligence are you using?

I'm using the definition set forth by IQ tests, for lack of a better more inclusive definition. I figured that would be clear given the fact that I cite a low IQ score as an indicator of a lack of intelligence, despite strong math skills.

What definition of intelligence are you using?
 
Being good at mathematics is merely a sign that a person is good at mathematics, it's not a sign of intelligence. I've actually met a person with an IQ lower than 75 that can probably give you a run for your money at mathematics.
That, like everything you post is both False AND Fallacious debate.
ie, High SAT Math scores and math in general would Correlate with IQ.

Tucker then goes on to use one of the all time classic fallacies, Debate by Anecdote. 'He knows a guy who's good at math but has a lower IQ than 75'.
Even if true, which is doubtful (or he knows an idiot savant), is a meaningLess claim of probable Exception.

WICrippler then agrees in moral, if Not intellectual support.

Tucker said:
I'm using the definition set forth by IQ tests, for lack of a better more inclusive definition. I figured that would be clear given the fact that I cite a low IQ score as an indicator of a lack of intelligence, despite strong math skills.

What definition of intelligence are you using?

And thanks for the admission on IQ, it will make my already cued up reply in another string even more poignant.
Also shows how 'flexible' you are in your attempts at winning a debate.
 
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