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Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

Who will you vote for in the 2012 Presidential Election?

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Your Star said:
That's what it seems like to me. Take the healthcare debate, we went from a single payer system, to this mandated crap very quick because they wanted some republican votes. They bend over backwards on core liberal values because they refuse to nut up, and take a stand. It's disheartening.

And the republicans are worse, because they see this, move the goalposts, and dare to call Obama a socialist, and move their party to the far right. While Romney may be the candidate, he's going to get severe pressure from the party to be more conservative, I suspect he will try to bring up social issues into this race to stir up the base. Also, Romney was never real liberal, a right of center moderate at best. But of course, he's a big liberal now because of how far to the right the party has come.

Please, please. please let a real liberal run in 2016!
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They had to change things to please the blue dog Dems and more moderate Dems. Lots of Southern Dems would have lost everything if they voted for a single payer system. The vote was heavily partisan, and the reason for changing things was to gain Democrat support in order to pass it and not to gain Republican votes that they never needed.

I wish that we had a real liberal when it comes to education because we have an educational crisis. I also want a real liberal on healthcare reform. I wish a pro SSM convicted social conservative would run too... I will never have my ideal candidate. :(
 
Navy Pride said:
Who will you vote for in the 2012 Presidential Election?
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Neither.

If there is a 3rd party candidate I like and my state doesn't screw third party candidates this upcoming presidential election. Then I will vote for that 3rd party candidate I like. If my state screws 3rd party candidates then I will not vote for president. I will however still participate in other elections and ballot issues that will be going on that day. Now if Romney has the audacity to pick Gingrich as his running mate then I will swallow my pride and vote for Obama.
 
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digsbe said:
They had to change things to please the blue dog Dems and more moderate Dems. Lots of Southern Dems would have lost everything if they voted for a single payer system. The vote was heavily partisan, and the reason for changing things was to gain Democrat support in order to pass it and not to gain Republican votes that they never needed.

I wish that we had a real liberal when it comes to education because we have an educational crisis. I also want a real liberal on healthcare reform. I wish a pro SSM convicted social conservative would run too... I will never have my ideal candidate. :(
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That just leads to my point about the party moving farther to the right, they couldn't even get the dems to vote for what most of the country at the time wanted. And yes the country did want a single payer system, they wanted health care reform, real reform. But that was before the republicans termed it "Obamacare" and attacked it by calling it socialism.

Oh, and I could never vote for someone who is a social conservative, feels icky voting for someone who thinks I'm a second class citizen.
 
disneydude said:
Pretty much on everything....look at his voting record...as a state Senator, a US Senator and now US President. His foreign policy is closer to a conservative than liberal. He certainly hasn't gone overboard in supporting liberal social issues, except for putting an end to DADT. His economic policies are not liberal. Even his healthcare proposal was extremely moderate. As a liberal I would like to see single-payer brought to the table. Obama is too afraid to venture too far from the middle. Probably wise if he wants to appeal to moderates and independents, but certainly not even close to embracing liberal ideas.
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Really? What would you label them as?
 
jamesrage said:
Neither.

If there is a 3rd party candidate I like and my state doesn't screw third party candidates this upcoming presidential election. Then I will vote for that 3rd party candidate I like. If my state screws 3rd party candidates then I will not vote for president. I will however still participate in other elections and ballot issues that will be going on that day. Now if Romney has the audacity to pick Gingrich as his running mate then I will swallow my pride and vote for Obama.
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Hussein Obama should send you a thank you card James............
 
I may or may not vote but if I did I'd go for Obama.

For the most part I was just getting really sick of Santorum and am glad he finally dropped out.
 
Hare said:
Really? What would you label them as?
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Centrist.

Obama's proposed economic policies have all been focused on the middle class. Nothing that Obama has done economically can be characterized as radical and doing much to help the poorest in this country. He has been appealing to the middle of the road, middle class voters.
 
I admit I am not really happy with Romney as our candidate but I will hold my nose and vote for him and I think a lot of Conservatives will do the same..........As much as Hussein Obama screwed up in 4 years we cannot endure another 4 years of him.........Conservatives are angry and they want this clown out...............
 
Navy Pride said:
I admit I am not really happy with Romney as our candidate but I will hold my nose and vote for him and I think a lot of Conservatives will do the same..........As much as Hussein Obama screwed up in 4 years we cannot endure another 4 years of him.........Conservatives are angry and they want this clown out...............
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LOL....NP....the only person who is a bigger flip flopper than Romney is you. You said the same thing about GWB.....on one hand you claim to have "held your nose and voted for him" and on the next you are calling him a "great and inspiring world hero"....I suspect that you will be saying the same about Romney...you've claimed how horrible he is and that he is a total RINO....and in a few weeks you will be saying he is the best thing since sliced bread. Is Romney your Fred Thompson this year?
 
jamesrage said:
Neither.

If there is a 3rd party candidate I like and my state doesn't screw third party candidates this upcoming presidential election. Then I will vote for that 3rd party candidate I like. If my state screws 3rd party candidates then I will not vote for president. I will however still participate in other elections and ballot issues that will be going on that day. Now if Romney has the audacity to pick Gingrich as his running mate then I will swallow my pride and vote for Obama.
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I don't get it. What VP would get you to vote for Romney then?
 
I think it is more like a few very bitter, very angry 'conservatives' think 4 more years will ruin the nation. Those people would never think to vote anyway but R so there is no 'helping' them and no need for Mitt to cater to them in the least. He doesn't have to inspire them, their 'fear and loathing' drives them.

Sad but true.
 
Navy Pride said:
Hussein Obama should send you a thank you card James............
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He should send a thank you note to every republican that blatantly voted for a liberal named Romney. Unlike you I dislike liberal politicians equally. A liberal won't get my vote just because he or she has a R next to his name.Bush was the last liberal republican I voted for.
 
Jetboogieman said:
The GOP of today is having an identity crisis of epic proportions. It is being pushed incredibly right.

With the Religious right, the Libertarians, the birther wing (crazies) and the moderates all wanting to kill eachother, it's amazing the GOP is still in tact.

But if they lose this election, the Right Wing will split.
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You really think so? That would be interesting, but I don't see it happening. I do think the religious and social conservatives are a deadweight, and are going to drag the party further down until the GOP can learn to put their foot down and stop making appeals to them.
 
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Porchev said:
I don't get it.
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Currently neither Romney or Obama has my vote.Should Romeny chose Gingrich to be his running mate then I will vote for Obama.


What VP would get you to vote for Romney then?
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I won't vote for Romney at all. Voting for liberal republicans ensures that the republicans will keep propping up libs.
 
Navy Pride said:
well let me give you a couple of differences ok:

Obama Pro Choice.........Romney Pro Life

Obama Big Gov............. Romney small Gov.

Obama anti DOMA..........Romney pro DOMA

Obama pro Obama care........Romney anti Obama care

Obama tax increases........Romney anti tax increases

Obama cut defense spending ..........Romney increase defense spending or hold the line


Hope that helps
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Obama Pro Choice.........Romney says he is Pro Life now, but used to be Pro Choice

Obama Big Gov............. Romney claims to be small Gov.

Obama anti DOMA..........Romney says he is pro DOMA now, but wasn't always

Obama pro Obama care........Romney wrote Obamacare

Obama tax increases........Romney anti tax increases (maybe this is correct)

Obama cut defense spending ..........Romney increase defense spending or hold the line (who knows for sure)
 
Navy Pride said:
I admit I am not really happy with Romney as our candidate but I will hold my nose and vote for him and I think a lot of Conservatives will do the same..........As much as Hussein Obama screwed up in 4 years we cannot endure another 4 years of him.........Conservatives are angry and they want this clown out...............
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id rather vote for what i believe in and not be bullied by people saying voting third party is throwing a vote.

well if third party is wasted votes i wonder why democrats have spent alot of time in 04 and 08 silencing nader.i think it is quite obvious the more people vote third party the more recognized they become.just look at libartarians,5 years ago you could randomnly ask someone if they heard of them,and almost all would say no.ontop of more recognition third parties are becoming more appealing as mainstream candidates get worse each election cycle,so im going to support progress,by not voting between the guy who causes problems,and the guy who promises to say whatever it takes to get elected,despite the fact his record doesnt match his words.
 
disneydude said:
Centrist.

Obama's proposed economic policies have all been focused on the middle class. Nothing that Obama has done economically can be characterized as radical and doing much to help the poorest in this country. He has been appealing to the middle of the road, middle class voters.
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There are many of us centrists who feel differently, and many who in some way agree with you.
 
digsbe said:
How so? And how does a far right whacko become governor of MA?
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He was a moderate, pro choice, pro gay liberal when he became governor of MA. Now that he has to appeal to the broader American conservative electorate, he has became an anti abortion, anti gay rights, anti birth control, pro family social Conservative.
 
SheWolf said:
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You really think so? That would be interesting, but I don't see it happening. I do think the religious and social conservatives are a deadweight, and are going to drag the party further down until the GOP can learn to put their foot down and stop making appeals to them.
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You don't win conservative voters by pretending an entire wing of the movement does not exist. Social conservatism and religious conservatism have long been in American politics, and will remain so. It is like liberals attempting to completely ignore a segment of their allies because conservatives don't like it. It won't happen. They need to throw some meat to them.
 
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Fiddytree said:
You don't win conservative voters by pretending an entire wing of the movement does not exist. Social conservatism and religious conservatism have long been in American politics, and will remain so.
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Much to my dismay.
 
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