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Are these people necessary to a 21st century global economy?

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The Bilderbergs are the movers and shakers of finance and industry and bear no allegiance to any flag or nation.

They exist outside the realm of civilization, free of society's morals, government's laws and God's commandments.

Conspiracy theorists tell us the Bilderberg Mega-Billionaires control the world's governments as well it's economy.

The Bilderberg Group is the major component of the International Economy, but is it necessary to it's success?

Could the worlds economy be as efficient and successful if it were managed by governments or some other entity?

Bilderberg | Public Intelligence
Daniel Estulin Bilderberg Speech at EU Parliament Press Conference
June 3, 2010 in Bilderberg


"In the world of international finance, there are those who steer the events and those who react to the events. While the latter are better known, greater in numbers, and seemingly more powerful, the true power rests with the former. At the centre of the global financial system are the financial oligarchy today represented by the Bilderberg group. Bilderberg organization is dynamic, in that it changes with the times, absorbs and crates new parts while excreting the remains of the decaying parts. Members come and go, but the system itself has not changed. It is a self-perpetuating system, a virtual spider web of interlocked financial, political, economic and industry interests. Now, Bilderberg isn´t a secret society. It is not an evil, all-seeing eye. There is no conspiracy even though a lot of people with their infantile fantasies see it as such. No group of people, and I don’t care how powerful they are, sit around the table in dark room, holding hands, staring at a crystal ball, planning the world´s future."
 
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If it wasn't the Bilderberg's it would be someone else. Thats the nature of Capitalism. There is always, ALWAYS someone up at the top. And it doesn't matter what ideology a country has because money is used everywhere. And if there is money then there is capitalism.

So while it doesn't have to be the Bilderberg's, as long as there is capitalism there will always be the "Bilderberg" type/class.
 
If it wasn't the Bilderberg's it would be someone else. Thats the nature of Capitalism. There is always, ALWAYS someone up at the top. And it doesn't matter what ideology a country has because money is used everywhere. And if there is money then there is capitalism.

So while it doesn't have to be the Bilderberg's, as long as there is capitalism there will always be the "Bilderberg" type/class.

It's not the nature of capitalism. Its the nature of reality. Nature abhors a vacuum. If there is a niche for something, someone will eventually fill it.
 
If it wasn't the Bilderberg's it would be someone else. Thats the nature of Capitalism. There is always, ALWAYS someone up at the top. And it doesn't matter what ideology a country has because money is used everywhere. And if there is money then there is capitalism.

So while it doesn't have to be the Bilderberg's, as long as there is capitalism there will always be the "Bilderberg" type/class.

If the truth be known,
a major part of our problem is with the folks that are striving to BE the next Bilderbergs.
 
The bilderberg conferences just annoys me. Putting a bunch of politicians and business interests together in a secret meeting isn't going to create one world government, but its just asking for plain old corruption. The fact that public money is used to obtain police protection for the events is an unacceptable use of funds, not to mention downright insulting.
 
Welcome to the "free market" intertwined with some sick capitalist-corporatism...
 
If it wasn't the Bilderberg's it would be someone else. Thats the nature of Capitalism. There is always, ALWAYS someone up at the top. And it doesn't matter what ideology a country has because money is used everywhere. And if there is money then there is capitalism.

So while it doesn't have to be the Bilderberg's, as long as there is capitalism there will always be the "Bilderberg" type/class.

That is probably correct. The danger is that in the past, that class has amassed too much control over the worlds money supply leaving it subject to boom and bust cycles
These cycles become more and more extreme and it eventually will plunge the world into another Great Depression if it is not controlled. Maldistribution of wealth was a major cause of the Great Depression and we are closer to those levels every day.
 
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It's not the nature of capitalism. Its the nature of reality. Nature abhors a vacuum. If there is a niche for something, someone will eventually fill it.

Normally I would agree with you. However in this case the vacuum is a created man made construct. Capitalism and its inherent mechanism's are not found in nature itself. Reality would go on perfectly well without capitalism. As such while it might be a part of our reality it is not necessarily a part of nature's reality.
 
If it wasn't the Bilderberg's it would be someone else. Thats the nature of Capitalism. There is always, ALWAYS someone up at the top.
I agree__But would it be better for the other 7 billion people of earth if it were something other than the Bilderberg Group, such as government agencies in each nation or some other entity if one existed or could be created?

And it doesn't matter what ideology a country has because money is used everywhere. And if there is money then there is capitalism.
Although most Progressives would disagree, it does make a difference in the sense that blanket capitalism allows everyone the opportunity to participate and possibly even advance to the Bilderberg level.

So while it doesn't have to be the Bilderberg's, as long as there is capitalism there will always be the "Bilderberg" type/class.
So what you are saying is that the Bilderbergs are a product of capitalism, for which I agree, and any other system would render them obsolete__I ask you, could another system manage the world's economy as efficiently and productively as the Bilderbergs?
 
It's not the nature of capitalism. Its the nature of reality. Nature abhors a vacuum. If there is a niche for something, someone will eventually fill it.
I agree, providing there is no mechanism in place to prevent it.
 
A mechanism in place to prevent the insanely rich from becoming incomprehensibly rich? Just who will bell this cat? The incredibly rich can avoid, dilute, flat out kill any bills a mere nation can attempt to bring up for passage. I am thinking there is a reason why the over the top rich have maintained their power base over the years.

Bottom line- unless the cat likes bells you are not going to get it to wear one if you are one of the mice. Care for some cheese?
 
Welcome to the "free market" intertwined with some sick capitalist-corporatism...
Apparently, you do not realize that everything that makes your life better, happier, healthier, safer, easier and more productive is the result of "capitalist-corporatism".

If you have failed to realize any of these benefits, it can only be your own fault for not taking advantage of the opportunities afforded you__In other words, you're a loser.
 
What exactly is the Bilderberg group guilty of? How is the Bilderberg group tied to Capitalism? I wouldnt say that the Bilderberg group was not really a product of Capitalism, it would be more accurate to say that it is a result of freedom. Without the freedom to gather no such group could exist.

When one actually looks at the List of Bilderberg participants one must wonder where these conspiracies come from. Interestingly neither Bush or Reagan were participants of the Bilderberg group, But Bill Clinton was. Geir Lundestad the Director of the Norwegian Nobel institute and Secretary to The Nobel Peace Prize Committee was a participate in 2005.

IMO conspiracy theorists have spread so many lies about the Bilderberg group that most people have no clue what exactly it is that they do and who the participants are. Which I find it entertaining that Leftists jump on the conspiracy bandwagon so easily. Between the bilderberg and 9/11 conspiracies it is quit entertaining to watch two otherwise separate polarisations share ideas.
 
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So what you are saying is that the Bilderbergs are a product of capitalism, for which I agree, and any other system would render them obsolete__I ask you, could another system manage the world's economy as efficiently and productively as the Bilderbergs?

There is always room for improvement. Just as there is always room for more corruption. Could another system render them obsolete? Possible. But doubtful. At least not while Capitalism and money hold sway for the simple fact that money is currently the end all be all of our society. I don't believe that a government agency would "do better". It would just be open to corruption and as such the "Bilderberg's" of the world would just be in charge again. As they say...money talks.
 
Apparently, you do not realize that everything that makes your life better, happier, healthier, safer, easier and more productive is the result of "capitalist-corporatism".
I think everything that made my life "better" would be the human innovation sprung on by human instinct of innovation and pursuit of knowledge..


If you have failed to realize any of these benefits,
Sure can realize these benefits.

it can only be your own fault for not taking advantage of the opportunities afforded you__
Right.................


In other words, you're a loser.
Good one. A girl on the internet called me a loser.. Badass moda****a
 
The Bilderberg's Steering Committee decides who get's invited to their annual conference according to what's going on in the world which determines their issues and agenda.

This Steering Committee is the Bilderbergs__The people who get invited to the conferences (Bilderberg Participants) are not necessarily members of the Bilderberg Group.

These "Participants" may only be invited one time, a few times or for many years according to the Bilderberg agenda__Their only common denominator is, they are the world's elite.

It has also been reported that "The group is composed entirely of Western elites, and no Asian, Middle Eastern, Latin American or African individual has ever been invited".Bilderberg - Powerbase

As far as I know, these 35 people are presently the primary players.
Steering Committee | Bilderberg Meetings
Chairman
Henri de Castries
Chairman and CEO, AXA Group

DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG
GBR Agius, Marcus Chairman, Barclays plc
USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.
PRT Balsemão, Francisco Pinto President and CEO, IMPRESA; Former Prime Minister
FRA Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
ITA Bernabè, Franco Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia
ESP Cebrián, Juan Luis CEO, PRISA; Chairman, El País
CAN Clark, W. Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Group
GBR Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of Justice
BEL Davignon, Etienne Minister of State
DEU Enders, Thomas CEO, Airbus
DNK Federspiel, Ulrik Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S
NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Public Economics, Leiden University
USA Jacobs, Kenneth M. Chairman and CEO, Lazard
USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
GBR Kerr, John Independent Member, House of Lords
USA Kleinfeld, Klaus Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
TUR Koç, Mustafa V. Chairman, Koç Holding A.S.
USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute
USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
ITA Monti, Mario Prime Minister and Minister of Economy and Finance
USA Mundie, Craig J. Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
NOR Myklebust, Egil Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, Norsk Hydro ASA
DEU Nass, Matthias Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit
FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc
USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
CAN Reisman, Heather CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
IRL Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, Goldman Sachs International
USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Clarium Capital / Thiel Capital
GRC Tsoukalis, Loukas President, ELIAMEP
CHE Vasella, Daniel L. Chairman, Novartis AG
SWE Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB

Member Advisory Group
USA David Rockefeller
 
That is probably correct. The danger is that in the past, that class has amassed too much control over the worlds money supply leaving it subject to boom and bust cycles
These cycles become more and more extreme and it eventually will plunge the world into another Great Depression if it is not controlled. Maldistribution of wealth was a major cause of the Great Depression and we are closer to those levels every day.

Quite possible...
This can be off-set by a proper and enforced tax of the wealthy (aka fair tax) and a strong middle class.
Today, we have neither, and if the wealthy conservatives take over, we will never have this.
 
Apparently, you do not realize that everything that makes your life better, happier, healthier, safer, easier and more productive is the result of "capitalist-corporatism".

If you have failed to realize any of these benefits, it can only be your own fault for not taking advantage of the opportunities afforded you__In other words, you're a loser.

A bit nasty.
Un-necessary, IMO.
And I do NOT believe that first sentence...(conservative lies)
Capitalism and gambling are too similar...
Thank God for Social Security.
I have both won and lost in the "capitalist market".
 
One of the truths of the last century is the almost total irrelevance of massive concentrations of personal wealth to modern economies. Progress has come from public educational institutions, government funded research and technical development, government spending on health care and institutions dedicated to sanitation codes and prevention of epidemics, training of medical workers, etc. A few billionaires are technical innovators, but are protected by patent laws and the like, also government functions, but those in the 'financial' sector are just parasitic and useless, and are in the process of reducing modern economies to ruin, through corruption and swindling. Few of them are really 'capitalists', they neither create new capital or new business ventures; they just bleed off those already existing, and saddle them with unsustainable debt, like Mitt Romney and the LBO schemers, for instance, There are few, minor capitalists who do create a few jobs, start up businesses that employ people, but not many, and they're usually under-capitalized, and if their business is even remotely viable they will merely be squeezed out by the parasitic types.
 
What exactly is the Bilderberg group guilty of? How is the Bilderberg group tied to Capitalism? I wouldnt say that the Bilderberg group was not really a product of Capitalism, it would be more accurate to say that it is a result of freedom. Without the freedom to gather no such group could exist.

When one actually looks at the List of Bilderberg participants one must wonder where these conspiracies come from. Interestingly neither Bush or Reagan were participants of the Bilderberg group, But Bill Clinton was. Geir Lundestad the Director of the Norwegian Nobel institute and Secretary to The Nobel Peace Prize Committee was a participate in 2005.

IMO conspiracy theorists have spread so many lies about the Bilderberg group that most people have no clue what exactly it is that they do and who the participants are. Which I find it entertaining that Leftists jump on the conspiracy bandwagon so easily. Between the bilderberg and 9/11 conspiracies it is quit entertaining to watch two otherwise separate polarisations share ideas.

Well, if the American Mafia could have a national 'Commission' for resolving disputes, so can a lot of special interest groups. Just because Mafia families fought with each other doesn't mean the Mafia didn't exist and wasn't a conspiracy. Other International organized crime syndicates can certainly do the same thing, form little front groups to iron out conflicts and arrange cooperative deals where common ground can be reached, like labor racketeering partnerships between capitalists and Red China, for instance, or faux 'Free Trade' scams like NAFTA, etc. You may find them 'entertaining', but those of us who have seen the very real results of some of these 'conspiracies' first hand, as in piles of bodies and massive destruction, people falling dead in emergency rooms, starvation, etc., don't find them 'entertaining' at all.
 
Capitalism and its inherent mechanism's are not found in nature itself. Reality would go on perfectly well without capitalism. As such while it might be a part of our reality it is not necessarily a part of nature's reality.

To the contrary, capitalism is quite in line with the way nature itself works. It's efficient, competitive, and it is not tolerant of what doesn't work.
 
Well, if the American Mafia could have a national 'Commission' for resolving disputes, so can a lot of special interest groups. Just because Mafia families fought with each other doesn't mean the Mafia didn't exist and wasn't a conspiracy. Other International organized crime syndicates can certainly do the same thing, form little front groups to iron out conflicts and arrange cooperative deals where common ground can be reached, like labor racketeering partnerships between capitalists and Red China, for instance, or faux 'Free Trade' scams like NAFTA, etc. You may find them 'entertaining', but those of us who have seen the very real results of some of these 'conspiracies' first hand, as in piles of bodies and massive destruction, people falling dead in emergency rooms, starvation, etc., don't find them 'entertaining' at all.
Thanx for the little strawman interlude. I am sure there are a few other things that you could imply as well if you think hard enough. Please continue it is entertaining like I said.

Yes corruption exists but you have no details only theories, right?
 
Whatever hand waves and dissimulations you want to spout. I'll stay with the obvious; I don't need strawmen, that's your need. All ideologies need mythology and strawmen, especially social darwinists.
 
Whatever hand waves and dissimulations you want to spout. I'll stay with the obvious; I don't need strawmen, that's your need. All ideologies need mythology and strawmen, especially social darwinists.
Ok so I was right you have no details only accusations with unfounded reasoning.
 
To the contrary, capitalism is quite in line with the way nature itself works. It's efficient, competitive, and it is not tolerant of what doesn't work.
Only as it's practiced (kinda' sorta') in America. Left completely to it's own devices, capitalism would eventually devolve into monopolies because corporations never die a "natural" death.
 
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