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Should prostitution be legal and not just for medical reasons?

Should it be legalized?

  • Yes, as quickly as possible

    Votes: 12 26.7%

  • yes and regulated by the state...

    Votes: 27 60.0%

  • no way...other people paying for sex ruins my life...

    Votes: 2 4.4%

  • don't you have anything better to do with your time...

    Votes: 4 8.9%
  • Total voters
    45
VanceMack said:
We arent any of those other countries. Our system of government, laws, etc isnt at all similar. However...from Canada...

"A 2001 study done by the University of Victoria, Dispelling Myths and Understanding Realities Working Conditions, Health Status and Exiting Experiences of Sex Workers, that tested over 201 current and former sex workers from 13 cities across Canada found that only 3.5% of were HIV positive.

The Nevada State Health Department in the United States where prostitution is legal, tests the sex workers who worked there monthly and as of 1993 (the last report I could find), out of over 20,000 people tested not one test came out positive for the HIV virus."

Prostitution in Canada provided by Bravenet.com

take it for what it is worth. I am not going to spend a lot of time digging up research, but a quick google shows this. Im sure there is more info.
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Can I get the site of the actual results from the University of Victoria, just want to make sure this isn't some flyby night website with a biased reporting on it.You just want everyone to do the research for and that is fine, though when the research given is in contrast don't get upset.
 
JasonI said:
All that and you still said nothing. What a joke!
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I can not help that I did not give the specific answer you are looking for. Do you have more that you would like to add about your stance on legalization of it? Please don't make this debate over me, personally... it doesn't go over well.
 
If prostitution becomes legal, I'd like a job in QC (quality control).
 
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jamesrage said:
It should be treated like any other business. Just like to work in a restaurant you need a food permit so that you don't accidentally give people food poisoning.You should need something similar to be a prostitute and or to run a prostitution business so that you are not being taken advantage of, not spreading diseases and other forms of safety for both the client and the prostitute.



I think maybe a body guard or armed guard outside the bedroom might be a good idea.



I do think these expenses should be treated like any other business expenses.
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I see that you have no comprehensive way about going about this as I can see, can you please elaborate.

What exatly are you saying they should be able to get discounts on a case of rubbers?
 
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barbarian_style said:
I can not help that I did not give the specific answer you are looking for. Do you have more that you would like to add about your stance on legalization of it? Please don't make this debate over me, personally... it doesn't go over well.
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I believe that two consenting adults should be able to engage in a sex for cash transaction as long as it is regulated. I don't believe the govt should be able to make that decision for me.

You didn't give me an answer as to how this transaction harms you...you keep saying you did,yet you didn't...so, nows your big chance...you gonna embrace it or punt again?
 
JasonI said:
I believe that two consenting adults should be able to engage in a sex for cash transaction as long as it is regulated. I don't believe the govt should be able to make that decision for me.

You didn't give me an answer as to how this transaction harms you...you keep saying you did,yet you didn't...so, nows your big chance...you gonna embrace it or punt again?
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I have read how you feel about it, and that you don't think the government should be able to make that decision for you. This really isn't much of an argument though as a stated before it is as good as a justified killing the government says you can't do either.

I can not help you with your problem you keep spitting the same argument out that has no substance other than because your horny and want to purchase a hooker.

ONCE AGAIN ASKED AND ANSWERED & THE TRANSACTION ISN'T THE PROBLEM IF YOU WENT BACK AND READ THE THREAD YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT!


These comments only show your personalization towards me and of your stance not being feasible.

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http://prostitution.procon.org/sourcefiles/NL-NRMEngels3.pdf

Claims that legalization of brothels in the Netherlands increased human trafficking are not really backed up by evidence. The fact that much, if not all, of the prostitution sector has opened up makes it easier law enforcement to distinguish human trafficking from consensual prostitution. Most abuses occur in the street-walking and escort parts of the sector. These areas have little in the way of law enforcement supervision, and abuses are common. These areas of the prostitution sector are still not much more than decriminalized, lacking the protections that the brothels have. Whether or not these problems are exacerbated by legalizing brothels isn't really known
 
barbarian_style said:
I have read how you feel about it, and that you don't think the government should be able to make that decision for you. This really isn't much of an argument though as a stated before it is as good as a justified killing the government says you can't do either.

I can not help you with your problem you keep spitting the same argument out that has no substance other than because your horny and want to purchase a hooker.

ONCE AGAIN ASKED AND ANSWERED & THE TRANSACTION ISN'T THE PROBLEM IF YOU WENT BACK AND READ THE THREAD YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT!


These comments only show your personalization towards me and of your stance not being feasible.

added to ignore list...
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So punt! Fantastic...thx again for wasting my time...maybe the question was too complicated for you...
 
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It surprises me that on this forum, even a significant number of conservatives agree to legalizing both prosititution and marijuana. The government should get with the program!
 
barbarian_style said:
Can I get the site of the actual results from the University of Victoria, just want to make sure this isn't some flyby night website with a biased reporting on it.You just want everyone to do the research for and that is fine, though when the research given is in contrast don't get upset.
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I cant possibly be upset by any of this. It is a debate topic. Post away. If you have access to the research database, getting the actual article shouldnt be a problem at all.
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/books.htm?chapterid=1758381&show=html
 
barbarian_style said:
LOL, It is a bad link, there is nothing but a blank page.
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So Im left to counter your source with the one I have provided. After of course you provide one. And then...if I actually give a **** I might dig to find more info.
 
MaggieD said:
If that woman you're paying for sex is a 17-year-old runaway who is being systematically controlled into being "all that she can be in your pants" by her pimp? it hurts everyone.

That's what I would hope de-criminalizing it would stop.
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If only it took hope to changed things but, action is what changes things. Though I do not believe that decriminalizing it would prevent rape, it may even promote it.

Can you provide something that would substantiate that it would slow it down?
 
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DiAnna said:
Bah, everyone knows my opinion on this but I believe that laws against all victimless crimes, including drug use of all kinds, are nothing more than Law Enforcement Employment Security Acts. Prohibition never works. History has taught us that. Education works. Tobacco use has gone from 60-70% of the population decades ago down to a small fraction of that. Legalize, regulate, educate.

Of course prostitution should be legal. As with drugs, legalizing prostitution assures cleaner, safer environment for both prostitutes and their clients. Prostitution-driven crime plummets... who needs a pimp when performing a perfectly legal service? Of course, vice officers will be twiddling their thumbs, so that isn't going to happen.

Adults have the absolutely right to decide what to do with their bodies, what to ingest in their bodies, whether it's healthy or not. Educate hell out of the population, use license fees and drug taxes to fund low-cost rehabilitation facilities, and help drug users in the same manner we now help alcoholics and those addicted to tobacco. Provide programs, support and assistance.
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I didn't need to read any further into the thread than this post. It is 110% on the mark correct.
 
Mensch said:
It surprises me that on this forum, even a significant number of conservatives agree to legalizing both prosititution and marijuana. The government should get with the program!
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They'll do it only when they get more campaign contributions from those who want to legalize it than they will by getting campaign contributions from those who will profit by keeping it illegal.
 
JasonI said:
Since the topic of legalizing marijuana came up, we should discuss another "illegal" activity...

Should prostitution be legal?
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ASAP.

And like marijuana, making it illegal clearly does not discourage it.
 
VanceMack said:
And which statistic are you hoping that will lead me to?
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I have read this and clearly I can not read this for you so if you don't read it I don't know what to say.
If perhaps you that you did read it, or want me to point to certain cherry picked parts no I will not being doing that. It is also hard to do when in a pdf format due to I have never figured out how to copy and paste things in this format. Moving on...

Do you think that this is a comprehensive study? Do you agree with what they say?
 
barbarian_style said:
Asked and answered go back and read the damn thread.

personal attacks are not a viable working argument.
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Have you noticed that he demands evidence for this and that, while providing non of his own? This sort of poster isn't to be taken seriously, because even if you offer him your best argument he will just ignore it and personally attack you.
 
Jerry said:
Have you noticed that he demands evidence for this and that, while providing non of his own? This sort of poster isn't to be taken seriously, because even if you offer him your best argument he will just ignore it and personally attack you.
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Jerry, I'll ask you this very simple question that was clearly way too complicated for the barbarian to answer...how would two consenting adults engaging in a cash for sex transaction hurt YOU?

Now, what are you asking me to prove? That I believe the govt should stay out of my business? Not sure how that would be possible...
 
I think one of the oldest professions in the world should be legalized......I was talking with a friend of mine about this and it's like he said. Give it to the women and let them run it and not the government. It will be regulated and ran better than what it is now illegally,

This would clear out all those misdemeanor crimes that waste the tax payers money and the LE's Time. Let them focus on violent crime and continue on with Maintaining the Established Order. No need for Prostitution to be in that Established Order as a Crime. Not to mention it will create jobs and buisnesses.

We both agreed on that we would like to Work for the Quality Control Dept.
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JasonI said:
Jerry, I'll ask you this very simple question that was clearly way too complicated for the barbarian to answer...how would two consenting adults engaging in a cash for sex transaction hurt YOU?
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That's off-topic but I'll answer it: It would not likely effect me in the least. In fact I would probably never know about it.

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Back on topic: We're not talking about 2 people, we're talking about a market full of millions of people. The increase is various crimes associated with prostitution, does effect me. Also, the prostitute is rarely ever consenting. It's slavery, and that doesn't have to effect me (aka my wife or doughtier or niece being kidnapped for prostitution) in order to oppose it.

JasonI said:
Now, what are you asking me to prove? That I believe the govt should stay out of my business? Not sure how that would be possible...
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I wasn't asking you to prove anything. You'll provide whatever evidence you feel like, whenever you decide to give it. No pressure.
 
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Let me preface this by saying I'm aware of posters here that utterly disapprove of me, and my positions on this. You've already chosen to make me aware of your feelings and if I may borrow a quote, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn".

I probably have as much experience as anyone here does. I've had a great deal of experience with prostitution from every angle, as a prostitute (I was much, much younger and cuter then), as a client and as a pimp (eat your heart out). Even today, I use prostitutes for my own sexual needs, I have personal friendships with prostitutes both active and retired and I live in the only state that has areas with legal prostitution. I do not claim that all of this makes me an expert, however, it should give me a clue. And you know what? I’ve had one hell of an interesting life. I may be an old fart now, lining up his bedtime medications and cleaning the goddamn litter box for the 111th time today but I got to do some interesting ****.

One of the most nonsensical anti-prostitution arguments in the under-age girl kept in slavery. Yes, that's pretty horrible and there are many laws this violates, most of which are far more felonious than simple solicitation. I would hope that abuse of minors, or adults not engaged of their own free will, were rigorously investigated and prosecuted under slavery, kidnapping and abuse of minor’s laws. However, this is an insignificant percentage of the overall business of the sale of sex for money.

Another popular argument is the “immorality”. I really don’t understand that. If you are married and seeing prostitutes, particularly without consent, then yes, that does seem immoral. If you are single and uncommitted, I can not see any element of immorality. For the “immorality” set let me say I think you’re full of BS. If you’re a guy, what’s your problem? E.D.? What the hell is it to you if I want to pay $100 for a no responsibility blowjob? And the women who find all this so objectionable – you’ve been giving it away for a few beers or a wedding ring. No wonder you’re mad. What job can YOU get that pays $300 an hour? Oh, maybe CEO of a bank.

The prostitutes I know are all in the business because they enjoy the business itself and the substantive financial rewards. The retired ladies accumulated great wealth, bought property and later got married into a traditional life or chose to live alone. Some of them have continued working well into their 60s albeit their makeup expenses have risen dramatically. And they get laid regularly ☺

Before I go, let me address that last pointless argument of STDs. You are far less likely to get an STD from a prostitute than you are from a slut. Got it? They are much more careful and not driven by passion. You ain’t getting in there without a jacket by saying “I love you”.

Prostitutes provide a valid service and should be afforded protection. If they could be licensed and work in safe environments, it would certainly be better than the current dangers this nonsensical prohibition creates. The American propensity to make everything a crime is in itself a criminal failing of intelligence. The forbidding of sex because you think the sky fairy says so is as idiotic as alien abductions.

LEGALIZE IT AND UTILIZE IT©
 
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