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Which best describes your view of the United States?

Which best describes your view of the United States?

  • The US is the world's most exceptional nation, a beacon of freedom, the good guys and heroes.

    Votes: 14 23.0%

  • The US an accomplished nation with serious problems and has done a lot of good and a lot of bad.

    Votes: 46 75.4%

  • The US is an evil empire founded on racism, hegemony, and jingoism.

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    61
Navy Pride said:
My reponsewasn't listed so I will give it here:


The USA is the greatest country in the history of the world and all of us living here should thank God everyday that we were lucky enough to be born here.
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is there anyone here who understands this guy:)
 
Medusa said:
is there anyone here who understands this guy:)
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No offense but I have visited Mersin and Istanbul Turkey and they are 2 places I would not want to live...Out of the 60 or so countries I have visited Turkey is right near the top of the list where I would not want to live, right behind Port of Prince Haiti which is number 1.
 
I would vote for #1 and and a little bit of #2

I'd say yes, it is one of the greatest countries in the world , no doubt.

but then ... Australia is another great country too, so there are a few great countries out there not just one ;)
 
I would have to say #2. What people forget is Europeans took this country from it's original inhabitants. This country was conquered not settled. Having said that I don't think there is a country in existence that has it's original inhabitants, land changes hands over time, to the victor goes the spoils. It is a form of Darwinism in a way, the strong survive the weak get pushed aside.
 
Mya said:
I would vote for #1 and and a little bit of #2

I'd say yes, it is one of the greatest countries in the world , no doubt.

but then ... Australia is another great country too, so there are a few great countries out there not just one ;)
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I spent 8 days in Sydney to and your right it is a great country but I will say again and its not even close, I would rather be from the USA then anyplace else..........
 
Navy Pride said:
I spent 8 days in Sydney to and your right it is a great country but I will say again and its not even close, I would rather be from the USA then anyplace else..........
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Sure! I respect your opinion! :)
 
Navy Pride said:
I spent 8 days in Sydney to and your right it is a great country but I will say again and its not even close, I would rather be from the USA then anyplace else..........
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....from what I heard the people in Sydney are glad you only stayed 8 days and went back to the US....:lol:
 
I have been to several countries including Australia several times, however, the US is my home and will always be.

I opt for #1 and #2. I was afforded many opportunities by living in the US that I do not beleive I would have been given in another country.
 
PrometheusBound said:
Whining be evolution's sore losers. They both had a chance to develop their own independent societies but were incapable of it. So they demanded to freeload off those who had done a better job of self-development.
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What the world are you talking about?
Do you actually have a point?
What, sir,are you implying?
Since the quote of mine you referenced is refering to my parents,I really hope you are not refering to them as "losers and freeloaders"?
 
cpwill said:
I have a good friend who is finishing up his doctorate in American history. Once I asked him when he thought America would peak.

"1789", he told me "It's all been downhill since then". :lol:
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Very true. Though I have seen an alternate opinion which I think has some merit as well....

If we are to assume that that the Civil War is the turning point of American history to date, and that the Battle of Gettysburg is the turning point of the Civil war, and that Picketts Charge is the turning point of the Battle of Gettysburg; then is not General R.E. Lee's decision to engage in such an assault the turning point in American history to date?
 
Navy Pride said:
No offense but I have visited Mersin and Istanbul Turkey and they are 2 places I would not want to live...Out of the 60 or so countries I have visited Turkey is right near the top of the list where I would not want to live, right behind Port of Prince Haiti which is number 1.
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please dont break my heart :(
 
TurtleDude said:
Jews are doing OK and so are Catholics.
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They weren't for a little while. Actually Jews only started doing "OK" in this country after WWII. The US elite really toned down the anti-semitic rhetoric after the whole... 6 million dead Jews incident in Europe. As far as I know Catholics weren't doing that great either until after the 30s. As a matter of fact, I could probably pull up a few anti-Catholic posters from the early 20th century. Oh hey, here is one:

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There are no WASPS on the United States Supreme Court btw
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I guess Roberts doesn't count? He's pretty WASPy if you ask me. But I could always be wrong. Maybe he's only half WASP. However that misses the point.

TurtleDude said:
How many American blacks of today would want to live in say Liberia or Equatorial Guinea?
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I don't know. I grew up in the US. I don't really wonder about problems in other countries. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they have them. They just don't really bother me.


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Don't let the revisionist door hit ya on the way out Turtle.
 
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It's an exceptional nation, and because it is an exceptional nation, it has done much in the way of good, and a number of bad things that make it unique in the world.
 
Fiddytree said:
It's an exceptional nation, and because it is an exceptional nation, it has done much in the way of good, and a number of bad things that make it unique in the world.
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The first definition for exceptional is "unusual". That's a pretty vague describer.
 
Hatuey said:
The first definition for exceptional is "unusual". That's a pretty vague describer.
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That's the essence of American Exceptionalism as the concept. It encompasses a great many things, both good and bad. I take it back to John Winthrop and Alexis de Tocqueville.
 
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TurtleDude said:
Its funny how the agnostic left trumpets darwin in the fact of the bible thumping faithful but these same lefties hate the concept when applied to our economic environment
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Philosophers, scientists, and engineers for thousands of years have tried to improve humanity by reasoning, learning, and applying what we've learned for the betterment of all. They've given us rule of law to preserve the peace, medicine to prolong our lives, and new technologies to protect us from our enemies and the jungle.

Christians for thousands of years have read and bowed to intone phrases like "love thy neighbor as thyself" and "turn the other cheek" on Sunday only to arise Monday, don their sword for battle or wallow in the pits of the NYSE, and, forgoing the tenets they've so recently renewed, take as much as they can from their fellow man, extolling the virtues of the dog-eat-dog world. "It's the Law of the Jungle", they say, before telling their children Darwin was a fraud and not to be trusted.
 
Every country feels it is exceptional in some way, and America is no different in it's claim to uniqueness. The right, as is their way, have perverted the original concept to imply some sort of superiority. I plumped for the middle option, but wonder what "accomplished" means in terms of nationhood.
Regarding Catholics. If they were so well integrated, why was JFK the first Catholic President? There may have been some deists, or even a couple of irreligious ones (who kept quiet about it), But American Presidents are an otherwise endless line of WASPs,
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Regarding Catholics. If they were so well integrated, why was JFK the first Catholic President? There may have been some deists, or even a couple of irreligious ones (who kept quiet about it), But American Presidents are an otherwise endless line of WASPs,
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Many Americans of that time wondered if a Catholic President would have mixed loyalties. Having to choose between what is best for the US and what the Pope might say which way would they decide? When I got older (I was pretty young during Kennedy's term) I thought it was kind of paranoid for them to think that way, those crazy Old Fogeys! Of course the President would pick the country over their religion!
Later in life the Terri Schiavo case came along and blew those idealistic thoughts right out of the water ... :boom
 
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earthworm said:
I'd prefer to use todays technology rather than that of hundreds of years ago...Darwin was smart, was advanced, but that was a long time ago..
IMO, truly equal opportunity is the answer, and this begins with a first rate education.
Generally, the poor do not have this.
IMO, the "useful gene" and a good environment are one and the same.
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College education is aristocratic and its failure proves Darwin was wrong about heredity. The university was designed for people with independent incomes; it must be replaced with paid professional training. The present system is not an equal opportunity; your suggestion shows how the upper class can control the minds even of its opponents. That's all the oligarchs give us: either do it their way or follow their way of changing it.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I would have to say #2. What people forget is Europeans took this country from it's original inhabitants. This country was conquered not settled. Having said that I don't think there is a country in existence that has it's original inhabitants, land changes hands over time, to the victor goes the spoils. It is a form of Darwinism in a way, the strong survive the weak get pushed aside.
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Use logic and you will realize what lies we were taught. The North American Indians weren't the first people here, the South American Indians were. Obviously, the ancestors of the Incans didn't sail from the Bering Strait to Peru, nor did they keep wandering after they reached our West Coast; they were pushed out by later Indian invaders, who themselves were driven into Central America. Second, the tribes left standing in the 15th Century were in constant warfare and had all stolen the land from one another that they claim we later stole from them. A native is just the last thief.

Nature is not a real estate agent; seniority of possession means nothing. Use it or lose it is the demand of human progress. The Indians were incapable of developing the natural resources that Whites were cheated out of developing because of the European class system. The whole world has benefited from giving Europe's dispossessed classes a chance at the expense of Indians who couldn't even benefit themselves.
 
PrometheusBound said:
Use logic and you will realize what lies we were taught. The North American Indians weren't the first people here, the South American Indians were.
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I read this and went... do you know how ethnic migration works? I'll give you a tip. In order for a group to migrate successfully from one environment to another, it first has to establish subsistence in the area. Inuit-like cultures were well on there way before people set foot in South America.
 
Somewhre between the 2nd and 3rd choice. Its true that America has many great freedoms. We have many serious problems as well. A growing corrupt government, where corporations are considered people. Where corporations and profits are more important than people. Where Unions are considered evil and a failing justice system. We are also a very nationalistic government and are an empire. We claim "come to our nation we are the best" while we support terrorism and torture and imperialism over seas. All at the same time destroying human rights and building a nice little wall on the southern border. Our civil liberties are slowly being taken away in the name of "protection and terrorism" with a growing police state.
 
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