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Are all black men brainwashed? (Read Warning: post #540)

Are all black men brainwashed?


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I'd like to see a link on that, Kandahar.

you'll note that they stick to the programs. so, for example, 100% of the cuts to medicare are counted as "cuts to a program targeted to poor people" despite the fact that the largest cuts from from the wealthier individuals in the program itself.

I would really like to see someone from the left give the "cuts to the poor" comparison between the Ryan and Obama medicare plans, given that the President's plan is to evenly cut Medicare across the populace, whereas the Ryan plan is to progressive cut Medicare, focusing the cuts in on our wealthier retirees. Obama's plan actually cuts more to the poor, but oddly, this doesn't seem to be getting much play....

how they score the tax benefits is beyond me - they must be making some pretty impressive assumptions, especially since Ryan has stated that his preference to only remove those credits for people making more than $250,000 a year.
 
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Words always have different meanings depending on how they are used. How would I react if someone called me a mother****er? Maybe anything from amusement to fear...depends who it was and what the context was.

You nailed it, mother****er!
 
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If you are in the top rates, your rate will be lower.

nominal rates =/= effective rates. as you well know.

When deductions are cut, well, deductions are taken by people at all economic spectrums.

actually most middle-to-lower income folks take the standard deduction - which does not change. Fewer than two in five tax returns claim deductions such as those for mortgage interest and state and local taxes and, in fact, most Americans owe more tax as a result of these deductions being in the tax code. The benefits of itemized deductions overwhelmingly go to the upper income earners in America.
 
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I'm not talking about white people secretly harboring grudges against black people and spending time thinking about how they can screw them over. It's generally more subtle than that. And I don't doubt at all that many people exhibiting these prejudices will swear up and down that they aren't racist, and truly believe it.


you have accused me of harboring "racial resentment", based on your emotional desires over fact, now you are saying I harbor racial prejudices, and am a racist, but don't know it?

Please at this point you need to post anything I've said that can be construed racially prejudice, or you need to hush, or apologize, you cheapen the real issue of racism with your vile comments.


I live in downtown Washington, DC. :2wave:


Where did you grow up? :2wave:


OK, well let's try this: I've already explained what I see as the "actual problem of racism in this country" (i.e. subtle forms of prejudice that people don't even realize, and believing that everyone is on equal footing in terms of racism). So what DO you think is the "actual problem of racism in this country," if not this?


Well, that's a long subject and one that would require threads in and of itself, It think there are white racist, black racists, asian racists, etc... It think a society that create different requirments based on race, simply perpetuates the stereotypes that one race is inferior (quotas, etc), along with media and activists all to happy to look out for and make bank on fanning flames of racism...

I also think, that things like vouchers would better integrate our schools and allow kids of all races to better see and understand each other. I could go on for on for days, but I get tired of asinine accusations that I am a racist that I see no point in arguing with the ignorant.


And I think that attempting to draw a false equivalence between racism against minorities and racism against whites is vile and abhorrent, as it is a roundabout way of saying that racism isn't a problem anymore and minorities should just get over it.


When did I say racism wasn't a problem and minorities should "just get over it", I never said that. Thank you for admitting your contention that I am a racist was based you lying. I appreciate the concession. Show some integrity now and do the right thing.
 
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Ahh semantics, ok, let's call it prejudice and bigotry then, ok?

Words have meanings. You don't get to make them up to fit what you want. If we are going to change the word "racist" to fit what we want, I could make it so that you fit it too.

Uncommon is a much softer word than "typical" wouldn't you say, and once he makes the distinction towards, "white" he's making it racial, I am sure it is not "uncommon" for certain black folks to act a certain way around white people, Would I call it "typical"? Nahh... I tend to try not to stereotype people.

Not much softer, but yes, it is softer. I think my word is more accurate than his. Niether of us could prove it however. We cannot discuss race without making things "racial". It's kinda the way of things.


Thank you for your anecdotal, I am not sure however how to apply it. again, I am willing to expand the definition of "Racism" to cover bigotry and prejudice, but if you are not comfortable with it, let's keep it separate, I think, both your anecdotal and Obama's demonstrates prejudice, something that is really foreign to me when it comes to race relations, Maybe I am blissfully ignorant, but I've only seen people as people....

Again, words have meanings. You can't just make up your own definition of racism so you can cry racist or accuse others of doing so.

What started this was hatuey made a statement, my response was appropriate, as for the topic, i don't think black people are any more "brainwashed" than white people.

Your response was factually wrong. Obama did not call typical white people racist.
 
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nominal rates =/= effective rates. as you well know.

Which in no way changes what I said.

actually most middle-to-lower income folks take the standard deduction - which does not change. Fewer than two in five tax returns claim deductions such as those for mortgage interest and state and local taxes and, in fact, most Americans owe more tax as a result of these deductions being in the tax code. The benefits of itemized deductions overwhelmingly go to the upper income earners in America.

So, poor people do not claim deductions? Nope, you did not show that. Thanks, try again.
 
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Words have meanings. You don't get to make them up to fit what you want. If we are going to change the word "racist" to fit what we want, I could make it so that you fit it too.


Well, if you want to act vile, then by all means what's stopping you? :roll:





Not much softer, but yes, it is softer. I think my word is more accurate than his. Niether of us could prove it however. We cannot discuss race without making things "racial". It's kinda the way of things.


wait, so when you and obama are talking, it's just talkin "racial" but when I do it, It's "race baiting".... wow....



Again, words have meanings. You can't just make up your own definition of racism so you can cry racist or accuse others of doing so.


then Obama and his grandmother would be bigots and demonstrated being prejudiced, then, yes?




Your response was factually wrong. Obama did not call typical white people racist.


in your tight, semantical definition, you would be correct, Then again, I just clarified for you, it was a bigoted, prejudiced, racially insensitive statement. :shrug:
 
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Which in no way changes what I said.

that is correct - it merely demonstrates what you said to be irrelevant.

So, poor people do not claim deductions?

they claim standard deductions, which do not change under the Ryan Plan. the itemized deductions that will be going away to pay for lowering nominal rates tend to be used by the upper-middle to upper-income earners.

..As the table shows, itemization rates rise as income rises. Only 7 percent of West Virginia tax returns with an adjusted gross income of less than $50,000 itemized, and nationwide, less than 20 percent of returns with an AGI of less than $50,000 itemized. However, over 93 percent of tax returns with an AGI greater than $200,000 itemized. The dramatic difference in itemization rates between the two ends of the income spectrum suggests that future tax reform policies that seek to end most itemized deductions while lowering tax rates across the board would result in a more progressive tax system and greater economic efficiency...
 
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you'll note that they stick to the programs. so, for example, 100% of the cuts to medicare are counted as "cuts to a program targeted to poor people" despite the fact that the largest cuts from from the wealthier individuals in the program itself.

I would really like to see someone from the left give the "cuts to the poor" comparison between the Ryan and Obama medicare plans, given that the President's plan is to evenly cut Medicare across the populace, whereas the Ryan plan is to progressive cut Medicare, focusing the cuts in on our wealthier retirees. Obama's plan actually cuts more to the poor, but oddly, this doesn't seem to be getting much play....

how they score the tax benefits is beyond me - they must be making some pretty impressive assumptions, especially since Ryan has stated that his preference to only remove those credits for people making more than $250,000 a year.

bumpity-bump-bump.... :)
 
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bumpity-bump-bump.... :)

Double thanks.

I read that, too -- about Ryan only wanting to remove deductions from people $250K and over. OMG! Those poor peeeeople!!
 
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you'll note that they stick to the programs. so, for example, 100% of the cuts to medicare are counted as "cuts to a program targeted to poor people" despite the fact that the largest cuts from from the wealthier individuals in the program itself.

This is incorrect. Medicare is universal, not a program targeted to low-income people. 62% of the cuts from the Ryan budget come from things like Medicaid, Pell grants, food stamps, job training, etc. Virtually all of the participants in those programs are poor...and then you would add the poor people affected by cuts in universal programs like Medicare IN ADDITION to that 62%. In fact, Ryan's budget cuts Medicaid and other health programs for the poor almost TWICE as much as it cuts Medicare.

Chairman Ryan Gets 62 Percent of His Huge Budget Cuts from Programs for Lower-Income Americans — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

I would really like to see someone from the left give the "cuts to the poor" comparison between the Ryan and Obama medicare plans, given that the President's plan is to evenly cut Medicare across the populace, whereas the Ryan plan is to progressive cut Medicare, focusing the cuts in on our wealthier retirees. Obama's plan actually cuts more to the poor, but oddly, this doesn't seem to be getting much play.

The reason it doesn't get much play is because, even assuming that that's accurate, Medicare is just a small fraction of Ryan's overall budget cuts.

how they score the tax benefits is beyond me - they must be making some pretty impressive assumptions, especially since Ryan has stated that his preference to only remove those credits for people making more than $250,000 a year.

That's AFTER he gives them another huge tax cut. And he doesn't even specify what credits he wants to remove.

New Tax Cuts in Ryan Budget Would Give Millionaires $265,000 on Top of Bush Tax Cuts — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
 
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This is incorrect. Medicare is universal, not a program targeted to low-income people. 62% of the cuts from the Ryan budget come from things like Medicaid, Pell grants, food stamps, job training, etc. Virtually all of the participants in those programs are poor...and then you would add the poor people affected by cuts in universal programs like Medicare IN ADDITION to that 62%. In fact, Ryan's budget cuts Medicaid and other health programs for the poor almost TWICE as much as it cuts Medicare.

:lamo because it scores it over 10 years.

...House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan’s budget plan would get at least 62 percent of its $5.3 trillion in nondefense budget cuts over ten years (relative to a continuation of current policies) from programs that serve people of limited means...

but the Ryan plan doesn't change Medicare for anyone over the age of 55!

and they measure relative to current policies, rather than current law. which is to say that this:

The reason it doesn't get much play is because, even assuming that that's accurate, Medicare is just a small fraction of Ryan's overall budget cuts.

is not only false, but that you made it up. :)

the reason it "doesn't get much play" is because it is inconvenient. ;)

That's AFTER he gives them another huge tax cut. And he doesn't even specify what credits he wants to remove.

New Tax Cuts in Ryan Budget Would Give Millionaires $265,000 on Top of Bush Tax Cuts — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

:lamo and these guys are pretending that nominal = effective rates!

gotta love that.

oh man. you can't make this stuff up. :mrgreen:
 
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The Ryan budget absolutely decimates anti-poverty social programs. The CBPP estimates that 62% of the budget cuts come from programs targeted toward low-income people, and 37% of the tax benefits go to people earning more than $1 million.

Racism and misogyny all rolled into one sentence. Keep on going with that attitude, and I'm sure Republicans will win those voters back. After all, they have nothing to be offended about...because you say so. :roll:
Exactly. I love the implication that only unthinking women, blacks and poor people vote for Democrats that so many conservatives make. And then they wonder why the Democrats attract more minorities. Well maybe it's because some of you call them brainwashed and accused them "drinking the Kool Aid" instead of acknowledging that in thinking for themselves just disagree with you.
 
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:lamo because it scores it over 10 years.

but the Ryan plan doesn't change Medicare for anyone over the age of 55!

The conventional budgetary metric is what changes they will make over 10 years. And although longer budgets are possible, predictions farther out are more difficult to make because they are usually based on the assumption that nothing changes. Who knows what the compensation of Congress will look like in 10 years? Will they actually allow these cuts to take effect? Who knows?

To illustrate this point, let's use an exaggerated example: If Obama released a budget that called for federal spending to rise by 5% every year for the next 10 years, and then would allow it to fall by 90% in the 11th year, would you credit him with cutting overall spending? I would hope not.

And in any case, the CBO projects his budget out farther...all the way to 2050. IMO it's a bit absurd to even make projections that far into the future, but for the sake of argument, here are how the various programs would change by 2050 under the Ryan plan according to the CBO. Even that far into the future, it's still not primarily about Medicare.

and they measure relative to current policies, rather than current law. which is to say that this:

Are you referring to things like the annual "Doc Fix," which is a current policy rather than a current law? If so, does Ryan's budget include any specific mechanism to force those cuts to take effect...and if not, why should we A) assume that it will actually take effect, and B) credit Ryan's budget with causing it to take effect?

is not only false, but that you made it up. :)

the reason it "doesn't get much play" is because it is inconvenient. ;)

Even by 2050, Ryan's budget cuts Medicare a lot less than it cuts programs for low-income people.

:lamo and these guys are pretending that nominal = effective rates!

Ryan's budget makes his tax cuts on nominal rates very clear and explicit. Meanwhile, on the "effective rate" side, he says that he'll reduce some tax deductions and credits for rich people, but doesn't specify which ones he'll eliminate. As such, I think it's a safe assumption that the bit about simplifying the tax code is merely political pandering, and he's far less interested in eliminating tax credits than he is in cutting taxes for rich people. And in any case, these budget watchdogs can only score the clear and understandable parts of his plan. If the Ryan budget calls for "a tax cut of X% for people making $Y, and a tax cut of P% for people making $Q...and oh yeah, we'll eliminate some credits and deductions too when we get around to it" guess which part of that equation is going to be scored. Now, if he actually wants to give some detailed information about which tax credits and deductions he'll eliminate (as he was more than happy to do when it came to spending programs for the poor), I'm sure that these budget watchdogs would be happy to factor those changes into their assessments of his overall budget.
 
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The Ryan budget absolutely decimates anti-poverty social programs. The CBPP estimates that 62% of the budget cuts come from programs targeted toward low-income people, and 37% of the tax benefits go to people earning more than $1 million.

I'd like to see a link on that, Kandahar.

Chairman Ryan Gets 62 Percent of His Huge Budget Cuts from Programs for Lower-Income Americans — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
New Tax Cuts in Ryan Budget Would Give Millionaires $265,000 on Top of Bush Tax Cuts — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

No matter WHAT Republicans do, there will be those unthinking women and lower-income people who will not take the time to understand. They just keep on drinkin' the Kool Aid. And, oh, how the Democrats love that.

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Racism and misogyny all rolled into one sentence. Keep on going with that attitude, and I'm sure Republicans will win those voters back. After all, they have nothing to be offended about...because you say so. :roll:

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What the hell are you talking about? Now you see racism in that post? Misogyny? Good lord.

Yes. The idea that women who vote Democrat are "unthinking" is misogynistic, and the implication that "lower-income people" vote Democrat because they are drinking the Kool-Aid is racist (yes I know you didn't explicitly mention a race, but c'mon, you aren't referring to a poor white guy in a trailer park in Alabama).

Let me ask you this: As a woman, how did you avoid being brainwashed by the Democrats like the others were? Are you just that much smarter and better than everyone else?
 
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Let me ask you this: As a woman, how did you avoid being brainwashed by the Democrats like the others were? Are you just that much smarter and better than everyone else?

well, it's MaggieD, so I wouldn't be too surprised - she's a smart cookie.

I like how you just re-link the sites I already pointed out were deeply flawed.
 
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I like how you just re-link the sites I already pointed out were deeply flawed.

I pointed out why your assessments of their alleged flaws were, in fact, wrong. :2wave:
 
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The Right Wing Mantra is a simple one. If you vote Republican, you're thinking outside the box. If you vote Democrat, you're brainwashed. Never you mind that the overwhelming majority of the right wing voting base is one big white cell.... where as the Democrat voting base is composed of groups who are diversified by gender, ethnicity, sexuality, class etc. It's like the white cat telling the dalmatian that he's not diverse enough.
 
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:lol: what? no you didn't, you just restated them. :) to my point that their measure of the cuts only includes the pre-medicare cuts - which is to say, they don't count the cuts weighted towards the wealthy, and therefore they are overcounting the cuts to the poor as a percentage of total cuts - you responded by saying... that their measure of the cuts only includes the pre-medicare cuts. :D to my point that their measure of the tax cuts only counted the nominal rather than the effective rate cuts your response was... that they only counted the nominal rather than the effective rate cuts. :) to my point that the Obama plan for Medicare cuts more for the poor than the Ryan plan for Medicare, you responded... well there you just responded by asking about the Doc Fix, which I agree we shouldn't score, and which effects the projected costs of Obamacare accordingly.

the two sources you cite remain deeply flawed. the first one claims that a majority of Ryan's cuts are on the poor... only by not counting all the cuts. the second claims that a majority of the tax reform benefits go to the rich... only by not accurately counting the effect of the tax reforms.

i mean heck. I can prove anything so long as I am allowed to dishonestly control the input.
 
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:lol: what? no you didn't, you just restated them. :) to my point that their measure of the cuts only includes the pre-medicare cuts - which is to say, they don't count the cuts weighted towards the wealthy, and therefore they are overcounting the cuts to the poor as a percentage of total cuts - you responded by saying... that their measure of the cuts only includes the pre-medicare cuts.

No. I said that even if you fast-forward all the way to 2050 (i.e. presumably long after Ryan's Medicare cuts have taken effect), the CBO's projections show that the Ryan budget STILL cuts Medicare far less than it cuts programs for the poor. Link is in post #264.

:D to my point that their measure of the tax cuts only counted the nominal rather than the effective rate cuts your response was... that they only counted the nominal rather than the effective rate cuts. :)

No. I said that they counted everything the Ryan budget was clear about...the fact that this happened to be entirely nominal (i.e. percentage tax cuts) rather than effective (i.e. elimination of tax credits) is not the fault of the watchdogs or their analysis, it is the fault of the people who designed the budget. You can't just create a detailed budget plan, then tack on a footnote that says "We'll also eliminate some deductions", and expect the CBO to count that. It doesn't work that way.

to my point that the Obama plan for Medicare cuts more for the poor than the Ryan plan for Medicare, you responded... well there you just responded by asking about the Doc Fix, which I agree we shouldn't score, and which effects the projected costs of Obamacare accordingly.

No. You made some distinction between existing policy and existing law, and I was simply asking if that is what you are referring to. Because if it isn't, I really don't know what you're talking about.

the two sources you cite remain deeply flawed. the first one claims that a majority of Ryan's cuts are on the poor... only by not counting all the cuts.

It counts all the cuts...both for the standard budget time frame (10 years) and extrapolated all the way out to 2050. In both cases, the poor bear the lion's share of the cuts.

the second claims that a majority of the tax reform benefits go to the rich... only by not accurately counting the effect of the tax reforms.

That is because no such tax reforms were proposed by the Ryan budget. They need something a little more detailed than "eliminate some deductions" to score it...otherwise it's just a political talking point.

i mean heck. I can prove anything so long as I am allowed to dishonestly control the input.

Then I suggest you take that up with the people who crafted this incredibly dishonest and mean-spirited budget, which disproportionately harms the poor over any time frame you choose, and which couldn't be bothered to identify specific tax credits/deductions for the rich to eliminate despite doing a very thorough job documenting how they'd cut programs for the poor and lower marginal tax rates on the rich.
 
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aaahhhh... I see how he does that. He separates Medicaid from Medicare/Medicaid, and then includes Obamacare as a "program for the poor". and then he measures by change as a percentage of GDP rather than by "actual money cut" off of what it would otherwise cost. So, for example, Medicare continues to grow as a % of GDP through 2030, so Medicare expenditures haven't been lowered. Even though, in fact, they have been. 2050 was a good date for him to choose - he get's to "hide the rise", if I can appropriate another abuse of statistics. Though at least he is honest enough to admit that Obama and Ryan both cut Medicare by the same amount.

well, Klein is correct when he argues that Obamacare would be immensely expensive, and that thus cutting that disastrous program would be a massive reduction from the current assumes-Obamacare baseline.

but you may want to read the introductory paragraph for the CBO report he cites:

..Those calculations do not represent a cost estimate for legislation or an analysis of the effects of any given policies. In particular, CBO has not considered whether the specified paths are consistent with the policy proposals or budget figures released today by Chairman Ryan as part of his proposed budget resolution...

which is interesting. :shrug: that being said, this source does not provide support for your contention. "government personnel costs", for example, are not a program for the poor.

and if you want to have a medicaid discussion, i'd be happy to discuss the superiority of block granting to our current boondoggle.
 
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The Right Wing Mantra is a simple one. If you vote Republican, you're thinking outside the box. If you vote Democrat, you're brainwashed. Never you mind that the overwhelming majority of the right wing voting base is one big white cell.... where as the Democrat voting base is composed of groups who are diversified by gender, ethnicity, sexuality, class etc. It's like the white cat telling the dalmatian that he's not diverse enough.



I think republicand and democrats are brainwashed.... I wonder if you'll grt accused of "race baiting" here....


;)
 
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aaahhhh... I see how he does that. He separates Medicaid from Medicare/Medicaid, and then includes Obamacare as a "program for the poor".

Correct. Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act provide health care primarily for low-income people, whereas Medicare is a universal program. Therefore these distinctions make sense.

and then he measures by change as a percentage of GDP rather than by "actual money cut" off of what it would otherwise cost.

Since GDP at any given point in time is the same across all of these different programs, it shouldn't matter whether it's measured in terms of percentage of GDP or actual dollars. The results should be identical in either case.

So, for example, Medicare continues to grow as a % of GDP through 2030, so Medicare expenditures haven't been lowered. Even though, in fact, they have been.

This is incorrect, mathematically. The only way that Medicare expenditures could fall in absolute dollar terms, and grow as a percentage of GDP, is if the GDP of the United States shrinks between now and then. How likely do you consider that to be?

2050 was a good date for him to choose - he get's to "hide the rise", if I can appropriate another abuse of statistics. Though at least he is honest enough to admit that Obama and Ryan both cut Medicare by the same amount.

You complained that a 10-year time frame wasn't long enough, now you're complaining that a 40-year time frame is too long. What time frame *do* you want? I'm starting to get the feeling that your objection has less to do with the specific time interval chosen, than with a desire to simply pick a time interval for which I can't find any statistics so that you can mount an "appeal to ignorance" argument.

well he is correct when he argues that Obamacare would be immensely expensive, and that thus cutting that disastrous program would be a massive reduction from the current assumes-Obamacare baseline.

The Affordable Care Act will cost the government quite a bit, yes. Most of which is offset by savings on private health care, but I've already been through that matter in other threads.

but you may want to read the introductory paragraph for the CBO report he cites:
..Those calculations do not represent a cost estimate for legislation or an analysis of the effects of any given policies. In particular, CBO has not considered whether the specified paths are consistent with the policy proposals or budget figures released today by Chairman Ryan as part of his proposed budget resolution...

Correct; the CBO frequently includes this disclaimer in its reports. In other words, they're estimating the overall budgetary impact of the Ryan plan, without consideration for what *he* claims the impact will be.

which is interesting. :shrug: that being said, this source does not provide support for your contention. "government personnel costs", for example, are not a program for the poor.

Correct; the CBPP itemizes the programs that they are talking about:
$2.4 trillion from Medicaid and other low-income health care programs
$134 billion from SNAP (i.e. food stamps)
$463 billion in other mandatory programs for low-income people
$291 billion in discretionary programs for low-income people
 
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Well, if you want to act vile, then by all means what's stopping you? :roll:

Pointing out flaws in your argument is vile?

wait, so when you and obama are talking, it's just talkin "racial" but when I do it, It's "race baiting".... wow....

No, did not say that. Nice try.


then Obama and his grandmother would be bigots and demonstrated being prejudiced, then, yes?

Bigotry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "Bigotry is the state of mind of a "bigot," a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance and animosity toward members of a group"

So no on bigotry.

Prejudice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "Prejudice (or foredeeming) The word prejudice is most often used to refer to preconceived judgments toward people or a person because of race, social class, ethnicity, age, disability, obesity, religion, sexual orientation, or other personal characteristics. It also means beliefs without knowledge of the facts[SUP][1][/SUP] and may include "any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence.""

So yes on prejudice towards his grandmother. Much more tenuous towardfs Obama himself and requires knowledge we do not have.

"in your tight, semantical definition, you would be correct, Then again, I just clarified for you, it was a bigoted, prejudiced, racially insensitive statement. :shrug:

So based on the meaning of words, you where wrong. Thank you for clarifying that. Obama did not in fact call white people racists.
 
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Thanks for the link.

Yes. The idea that women who vote Democrat are "unthinking" is misogynistic, and the implication that "lower-income people" vote Democrat because they are drinking the Kool-Aid is racist (yes I know you didn't explicitly mention a race, but c'mon, you aren't referring to a poor white guy in a trailer park in Alabama).

Kandahar, I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. Where did I say lower-income people vote Democratic?

Let me ask you this: As a woman, how did you avoid being brainwashed by the Democrats like the others were? Are you just that much smarter and better than everyone else?

Where did I say women have been brainwashed by the Democrats??

Rod Serling...is that you??
 
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