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Are all black men brainwashed? (Read Warning: post #540)

Are all black men brainwashed?


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Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

Well, I'm going to have to think about that for a while. You may be on to something.

The lack of airtime for these stories is actually a big part of the problem for many people. If you head on down to any of the "worst" neighborhoods in Chicago, you'll find that most of the people there are absolutely sick of the violence and would do anything to stop it. Most of them have lost a loved one to it. But it doesn't get airtime except to report that it's happened and that gives the impression that white people in general just don't give a **** about black people.
 
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I was never commenting on the black community's reaction to it. I was opining that Jackson/Sharpton/The Black Congressional Caucus should give more attention the fact that over 300 blacks were murdered by blacks since Martin was killed. THAT is an even bigger tragedy. Kids shot on their way to school. Standing on street corners. Playing out in front of their houses. Sitting on their porches. And that goes on every day. Where is the outrage, where are the cameras, where are the Washington politicians, various state governors, movie stars, yada yada yada, over THAT stark reality?
I'm confused....so are you saying that your "J/S/BCC" are not part of the Black community? Because, if you know anything about Rev Jackson, you know what he is doing for the Black community including multiple efforts to reduce urban crime.
 
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This came from this quote in another thread:



I've seen this argument repeated by many posters in many other threads for the year I've been here and I want to know if this is a common assessment of black men - that they are brainwashed and consequently, do not have or are incapable of having their own thoughts. So, do you agree? Moreover, if you answer "yes", do you believe that black men are more "brainwashed" than any other race? And if so, why do you think that black men think less for themselves than other races?

I picked no.But there are people on both sides of the isle regardless of race who are brainwashed politically.
 
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To answer my own question:

I don't think that all or many black men are "brainwashed". People use this type of language to refer to religious people often as well and object to that when it's used in broad strokes too. I think most people develop much of their worldview initially from the people and things they interact with in childhood - parents, media, friends, etc.. However, I think "brainwashing" is far too strong of a word with implications that would be lost if it applied to something as normal as childhood learning. Moreover, when people get older, they tend to drift from certain aspects of their childhood worldview as they have their own new and different experiences.
People have no problem with thinking that people in Communist or Muslim countries are brainwashed, but believe that it can't happen here. That illusion of freedom of thought is itself part of the brainwashing.
 
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*Sigh* It doesn't depend on one issue. Many people will succeed or fail in life based on what's been pre-programmed in their heads. Where I made that comment was in a thread where the discussion had rolled around to the difference between the black community's reaction to Martin/Zimmerman as opposed to the fact that 300+ black-on-black murders have happened since. But I suspect you know that.

I'm not defending my "all" - statement. I told PlayDrive I was going to edit it to say "many." The edit feature had closed. (I believe...I'm not even sure about that.) Nonetheless, I admitted that was wrong. So shoot me.

All or most or many makes no substantive difference. You have suggested that black men are more succeptable to brainwashing that others. That is something you will not be able to defend with any evidence.

You might also want to do some research, since many of the so called leaders of the black community consider black on black violence to be one of if not the biggest issues facing that black community, and there is much work, demonstrations, education etc being done by black people on that very issue(google shows me Protesters to decry black-on-black violence - USATODAY.com for example, that damn brainwashed black man...). I understand the desire to feel superior to some one, but you have not shown any evidence that it is the case here.
 
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I'm starting to think that as well. People rarely accuse themselves of being brainwashed especially those who point the finger at others, be it blacks or Christians or some other group.
Romney's father lost the Republican nomination because he said he had been brainwashed about Vietnam. Brainwashed people who won't admit it believe that anyone who admits he was brainwashed must be easily manipulated.
 
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In the sense I was talking about, white men? No. Last one? I don't think anyone is trying to subliminally feed them excuses for being poor or not having a good job.

Wasn't it Rick Santorum that called President Obama a snob for saying that anyone that wants to go to college should be able to?
 
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All or most or many makes no substantive difference. You have suggested that black men are more succeptable to brainwashing that others. That is something you will not be able to defend with any evidence.

You might also want to do some research, since many of the so called leaders of the black community consider black on black violence to be one of if not the biggest issues facing that black community, and there is much work, demonstrations, education etc being done by black people on that very issue(google shows me Protesters to decry black-on-black violence - USATODAY.com for example, that damn brainwashed black man...). I understand the desire to feel superior to some one, but you have not shown any evidence that it is the case here.

Did you read Blackdog's posts at #43?

All/many/most makes a huge difference.

I have not suggested that black men are more susceptible to brainwashing. I'm saying the messages they often get are messages of victimology. We are all products of the good and bad that touches our lives.

I'll check out your links. Thanks.

Oh, and your remark about you understand some people want to feel superior to others? I don't understand.
 
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Did you read Blackdog's posts at #43?

All/many/most makes a huge difference.

I have not suggested that black men are more susceptible to brainwashing. I'm saying the messages they often get are messages of victimology. We are all products of the good and bad that touches our lives.

I'll check out your links. Thanks.

Oh, and your remark about you understand some people want to feel superior to others? I don't understand.
What do you base this on? Are you a Black man? Do you know a lot of Black men who tell you this? Is it something you have studied? If so, show us what you got.
 
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I have not suggested that black men are more susceptible to brainwashing. I'm saying the messages they often get are messages of victimology.

This is just as true with whites as it is with blacks, if not moreso.

The victim mentality has become so prevalent in American culture that most people fail to recognize it, even when they themselves are displaying in it. It's only noticed when others are displaying it on an issue that the person doing the noticing disagrees with.

Hell, Santorum's entire platform is built upon it.
 
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What do you base this on? Are you a Black man? Do you know a lot of Black men who tell you this? Is it something you have studied? If so, show us what you got.

I know you want truth, Gimmesome, but this board is filled with opinions. I'm just as entitled to mine as the next person. BTW, read post #43 -- if I'm not mistaken, that is a black man talking.

This is just as true with whites as it is with blacks, if not moreso.

The victim mentality has become so prevalent in American culture that most people fail to recognize it, even when they themselves are displaying in it. It's only noticed when others are displaying it on an issue that the person doing the noticing disagrees with.

Hell, Santorum's entire platform is built upon it.

I sure do agree with you about Americans, in general, feeling a sense of entitlement. I do think, though, that a sense of entitlement is a little bit different than victimology. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
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I know you want truth, Gimmesome, but this board is filled with opinions. I'm just as entitled to mine as the next person. BTW, read post #43 -- if I'm not mistaken, that is a black man talking.
Yes, one Black man. Again, if that is what you are basing your opinion upon, well...there you are.

The thing I find interesting is how you don't seem to have much to base your opinion on, while you seem to be blaming the victim(s).
 
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This is actually pretty interesting. I was going through the responses and allot of them ring true to at least some degree.

I would not call it brainwashing as that is not what it is. There is however a strange dichotomy of hopelessness and group think among a majority of blacks. It is the result of years of slavery and Jim Crow, the creation of the welfare state and finally drugs and the drug war. The introduction of crack cocaine was and is probably the single greatest threat not only to, but accelerating the downfall of the black family unit. Now drugs affect every walk of life, but the black community was hit particularly hard. All of these things have contributed to some degree to the downfall of the black family structure and community as a whole.

With a culture so decimated over such a long period of time, to many gave up and taught this to others. So the cycle is now firmly in place and killing us as a people.

So now the easy way out is seen to be the right way. Doing well in school makes you a slave to the white man and open to ridicule, while selling drugs is accepted and promoted as a way to succeed. Speaking ghetto slang is not only promoted but accepted by idiots running our schools. Speaking good english makes you an uncle Tom or less black. The "house nigger" mentality still exists to this day, and the darkness/lightness of your skin can still open you up to ridicule among your own.

So after all this people wonder why someone would think we could possibly be brainwashed? Not really a huge leap.

So the Democratic party is seen as the savior in the US, because they proclaim to be the party that cares about blacks and the needs of the black community. So in the end it really is not brain washing. It is black people reaching out for something or someone for hope.

Unfortunately to many do not see our system for what it is. Two party's that are two sides of the same coin out for one thing... Their own power and greed.
Excellent post. Thank you.
 
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I sure do agree with you about Americans, in general, feeling a sense of entitlement. I do think, though, that a sense of entitlement is a little bit different than victimology. Maybe I'm wrong.

I'm actually talking about the victim mentality, which is a separate issue from the sense of entitlement.

Think about things like the so-called "War on Christmas" and the "But black comedians can tell those jokes, why can't I?" type of complaint. They start from a position of perceived victimhood. In truth, white comedians can make racial jokes. Look at Daniel Tosh. It's about delivery, though.

And the "War on Christmas" is really just a difference of opinions. But we get back to the ratings again. White outrage over issues sells the most advertising for news networks. Pundits (from both sides) make money from creating controversy, not reporting it.

I don't blame the media for this, though. Bitching about the media is just the victim mentality at work. I blame the people. We the people who are driving this phenomenon, including myself. People would rather believe that they are victims than have to seriusly look at how they contribute to their own problems. It's perfectly natural, but it's also detrimental.
 
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Think about things like the so-called "War on Christmas" and the "But black comedians can tell those jokes, why can't I?" type of complaint. They start from a position of perceived victimhood. In truth, white comedians can make racial jokes. Look at Daniel Tosh. It's about delivery, though.
When it comes to racial jokes, I don't think it's even about delivery. I tend to think it's more random chance. Who hears it? How offended did that person get? How far did they push it and to which network? Did it grab Jesse Jackson's or Al Sharpton's attention? That kind of thing.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if someday somebody says, "ZOMG!!! Daniel Tosh is a racists! He must be fired!!!", after he'd been doing the same thing for years.
 
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Brainwashed meaning what exactly? And no, I don't think all people in any group are brainwashed into anything. But then again I also think it's poor form to call out another user by quoting a post they made a mistake in and arguing based on that single word mistake.

I agree. I don't understand, TPD, why you didn't clarify what Maggie meant in the original thread, and challenge her premise there. This smacks of trying to embarrass a poster by using a poll basically as a personal call-out thread.

If I understand what Maggie is trying to say, she seems to imply that in our society black males are sometimes raised in an environment where they feel singled out for suspicion, and believe their opportunities are limited by being black, poor, and undereducated. If someone grows up with the expectation that they will not amount to much and will probably end up in jail, their reality probably will meet the expectation.

Maggie's use of the word "brain-washing" was incorrect, but since I've read so many of her posts, I believe my presumption of her meaning is accurate. Maggie, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't wish to put words in your mouth.
 
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Yes, one Black man. Again, if that is what you are basing your opinion upon, well...there you are.

What do you mean by "well there you are." So one black man can not speak about the real problems in the black community? You have to be black now to see a huge problem exists? You are trying to make her and her comment into something it was not and never meant to be.

The thing I find interesting is how you don't seem to have much to base your opinion on, while you seem to be blaming the victim(s).

What? You have got to be kidding? So tell me, what sources are you basing your advanced and secret black man information on?
 
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This came from this quote in another thread:



I've seen this argument repeated by many posters in many other threads for the year I've been here and I want to know if this is a common assessment of black men - that they are brainwashed and consequently, do not have or are incapable of having their own thoughts. So, do you agree? Moreover, if you answer "yes", do you believe that black men are more "brainwashed" than any other race? And if so, why do you think that black men think less for themselves than other races?

Pointing the poll at MaggieD seems should have been down in the basement. For what its worth, never, not once, has she posted any message that hints of racism, rather she isn't doing contortions to always sound politically correct. Her's is a valid topic she raises. Do most African-Americans belief they are discriminated against? I think the answer is no, but most will try to use that if it to their advantage sometimes. And sometimes white folks fall for it too.

Many people of all races are conditioned towards prejudices. There are African-American communities where it would be literally dangerous for a white teen or white adult man particularly to walk thru or move into. There are white communities where the sam are would apply towards African-Americans. Since I've lived in both environments/cultures I've seen it from both sides. Most people probably only see one side of it, so see African-Americans as "brainwashed" against whites or whites as racists against African-Americans. But really both are the same.

"Brainwashing" is the wrong word. It is conditioning (from birth) and particularly if tied to poverty and low education is highly convincing. Then others - white-guilters, "liberals," and others who try to benefit themselves re-enforce this for their own purposes concerning African-Americans. For those folks, the "rage" is artificial and only manipulative. Sadly, they then re-enforce or even create the racial divisions as is happening in Zimmerman-Martin. They WANT race conflict and riots - but for their own benefit. Totally artificial - and seemingly so transparent that most African-Americans aren't falling for it.

It also is more localized and the specific community based, not generally nation, though the national media wants it to be because they want us all neatly and uniformly put into specific pidgeon holes of group-collective perspectives - all African-Americans are one way, all Republicans another, all Democrats all the same, all white people the same, all Christians the same - and nationwide. Why people allow the rage editorializing commentators to define reality is beyond me, though it seems they increasing make realities that otherwise did not and would not exist.

Being conditioned from birth is very powerful and unless something causes the person to question it, those will be the truisms of their life.
 
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This is a silly poll. I don't know how anyone could conclude that every black man is brainwashed.
 
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What do you mean by "well there you are." So one black man can not speak about the real problems in the black community? You have to be black now to see a huge problem exists? You are trying to make her and her comment into something it was not and never meant to be.
Oh I know the problem exists, but I won't base my opinion on what the problem stems from based on the opinion of ONE person.



What? You have got to be kidding? So tell me, what sources are you basing your advanced and secret black man information on?
Secret black man info?

Dude, I just posted one study. I have lived in very poor communities and middle class communities. I have dated black women and have been married to a latina for 30 years. Many of my customers and friends are black, latino, poor whites. So in short, by personal and by educational experiences. By far and away the reason for the differences in intra-race violence is socio-economic circumstances without much to support it being a matter of "brain-washing" via propaganda by black leaders or educators.
 
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When I was in Mississippi, for 42 weeks, '68/'69, I couldn't find an exception to brainwashed white guys. When I visited Japan, it was clear the most of the Japanese men were brainwashed. When I was stationed in California and I'd play 8ball with the black guys in the day room, they certainly had a distinct culture which I didn't share and they didn't expect me to; but, not brainwashed. I didn't think they treated black women correctly and looked to score a white woman. They felt they owned black gals. But, when they discovered that I was close friends with a black gal they really didn't like that. Distinct cultures can have some really neat aspects to them and some not so good too. But, the only culture I find really brainwashed are some of the Evangelicals.
 
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Can you imagine if Obama said "many white men are brainwashed" or "white men are brainwashed"? Lol. We'd never heard the end of the bitching. Just notice how much bitching came out of him saying a black kid could look like his son if he had one.
 
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no not all or even most blacks are brainwashed any more than any other race or gender LMAO

are their black people that IMO are blind to certain things? yep but I could pick any race and gender and probably come up with a blind group in all of them. :shrug:

uncle tom? sell out? Oreo? not used often in real life and not use often by objective rational adults.

Coming from a mixed family myself and living in the both black and white world, family and community I see no evidence of brainwashing with one race or gender over another.
 
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Can you imagine if Obama said "many white men are brainwashed" or "white men are brainwashed"? Lol. We'd never heard the end of the bitching. Just notice how much bitching came out of him saying a black kid could look like his son if he had one.

It better be a black kid. If not, then Michelle has some serious explaining to do. LOL.
 
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