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Are all black men brainwashed? (Read Warning: post #540)

Are all black men brainwashed?

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Tucker Case said:
How do you know what the black communities reaction to black on black violence is?

It certainly doesn't make the news around here too often. Have you ever actually been to any of the rallies on that specific subject in Englewood or a similar neighborhood around here? Have you ever been in Englewood?
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I think we know what it is not. I.e. doesn't reach the level we see for the trayon Martin thing. How about another word: Conditioning.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
That first link would be a great GOP campaign poster but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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liberals will just deny it like any other evidence that counters their beliefs.
 
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beerftw said:
liberals will just deny it like any other evidence that counters their beliefs.
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Right, so Conservatives are also responsible for the ideology of the 1960's?''

LAWL
 
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Redress said:
See, this is why conservatives never understand why they drive away blacks and women. Let me explain: blacks are proportionally far more likely to, for whatever reason, be low income. Republican budget plan calls for changing tax brackets making the top end pay much less, but to offset this wants to cut unspecified tax loopholes. Now we all know that some of those loopholes and deductions will be ones that low income people use too. Therefore the republicans want to cut taxes for the mostly rich white guys, while raising taxes on the poorer people, who are, guess what, much more likely to be black. But it is brainwashing for blacks to vote democrat...

Then you have republic ans passing bills requiring women to get objects shoved up their vagina to exercise their constitutional rights. Man, can't imagine why women would not rush to vote republican...

And that is the crux. Without identifying gender or race, republican policy still is aimed at to benefit those who are, mostly, white, and mostly male.
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I agree. Republican policies have an overwhelmingly negative impact on women and minorities, which drives them away. However, I don't think that that explains ALL of the voting patterns; blacks are much more likely to vote Democrat than whites at every level of the economic spectrum. A lot of it is the racially-tinged rhetoric that Republicans commonly use: Newt Gingrich calling Obama the "food stamp president," Rick Perry telling a room full of white South Carolina Republicans that they are at war with the federal government, Ronald Reagan conjuring up the image of "welfare queens," etc.

I think the same thing may apply to women, in terms of being repulsed by Republican rhetoric. Aside from the Republican policies that directly adversely affect them, I think women generally have less interest than men do in proving how big their penis is (i.e. "stand your ground" laws, endless wars, no gun regulations whatsoever, etc.)
 
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jambalaya said:
I think we know what it is not. I.e. doesn't reach the level we see for the trayon Martin thing. How about another word: Conditioning.
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Have you ever actually been to one of those protests so that you can actually give an informed opinion, or are you just talking ****?
 
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Kandahar said:
I agree. Republican policies have an overwhelmingly negative impact on women and minorities, which drives them away. However, I don't think that that explains ALL of the voting patterns; blacks are much more likely to vote Democrat than whites at every level of the economic spectrum. A lot of it is the racially-tinged rhetoric that Republicans commonly use: Newt Gingrich calling Obama the "food stamp president," Rick Perry telling a room full of white South Carolina Republicans that they are at war with the federal government, Ronald Reagan conjuring up the image of "welfare queens," etc.

I think the same thing may apply to women, in terms of being repulsed by Republican rhetoric. Aside from the Republican policies that directly adversely affect them, I think women generally have less interest than men do in proving how big their penis is (i.e. "stand your ground" laws, endless wars, no gun regulations whatsoever, etc.)
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I don't see racism in those quotes, you really have to be looking to play the race card to see that. The fact is you libs can't name any Republican policies that would or should alienate blacks so you resort to clumsily playing the race card over and over.
 
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Redress said:
See, this is why conservatives never understand why they drive away blacks and women. Let me explain: blacks are proportionally far more likely to, for whatever reason, be low income. Republican budget plan calls for changing tax brackets making the top end pay much less, but to offset this wants to cut unspecified tax loopholes. Now we all know that some of those loopholes and deductions will be ones that low income people use too. Therefore the republicans want to cut taxes for the mostly rich white guys, while raising taxes on the poorer people, who are, guess what, much more likely to be black. But it is brainwashing for blacks to vote democrat...

Then you have republic ans passing bills requiring women to get objects shoved up their vagina to exercise their constitutional rights. Man, can't imagine why women would not rush to vote republican...

And that is the crux. Without identifying gender or race, republican policy still is aimed at to benefit those who are, mostly, white, and mostly male.
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Don't sit there lecturing us.
 
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:lol: remember when Olbermann told us that Scott Brown driving a truck was racist? :lamo
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
White males vote 60% Republican as a rule, the simple math here is that's only 10% above a 50-50 split whereas blacks vote 90% Democrat, that's only 10% from 100%. See the difference?
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So where do we draw the line, is it only questionable when it gets over 90% or what? White southern males vote 68% Republican, Jews vote close to 80% Democrats, Urban dwellers vote 70% Democrats, the lowest income group vote 73% Democrats, Mormons are 74% Republicans - why would a person who looks at these numbers honestly and critically only question the motives of the black voting block but not Jews, the Mormons or those southern males? Why is it a "rule" when white males do it, but questionable when black people do it?

Exit Polls - Election Results 2008 - The New York Times
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/mormon-vote-boosts-romney-comfortable-odds-nevada-225011844.html
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
I don't see racism in those quotes, you really have to be looking to play the race card to see that. The fact is you libs can't name any Republican policies that would or should alienate blacks so you resort to clumsily playing the race card over and over.
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There it is again. This attitude that those things I just mentioned "shouldn't" alienate blacks, as though you are the expert on the subject and their opinion is irrelevant. If you KNOW that it offends them (whether or not you think it "should" offend them) and you continue doing it anyway, then you are intentionally being racially offensive. The unstated premise of the attitude in your post here is "We white people will tell everyone else what they can and can't be offended by, since they are too dumb to figure it out on their own." And THAT is precisely the attitude that I'm talking about which repulses minority voters.
 
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excellent point. getting into a legal dispute because Boeing ran into trouble in your state is clearly the actions of racists.



racist, racist air plane manufacturer workers....
 
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Kandahar said:
There it is again. This attitude that those things I just mentioned "shouldn't" alienate blacks, as though you are the expert on the subject and their opinion is irrelevant. If you KNOW that it offends them (whether or not you think it "should" offend them) and you continue doing it anyway, then you are intentionally being racially offensive. The unstated premise of the attitude in your post here is "We white people will tell everyone else what they can and can't be offended by, since they are too dumb to figure it out on their own." And THAT is precisely the attitude that I'm talking about which repulses minority voters.
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If you are black I would be interested to know how those statements offend you, if you are white you are guilty of speaking for blacks and guilty of what you accuse me of doing, here is what you said , "We white people will tell everyone else what they can and can't be offended by, since they are too dumb to figure it out on their own."
 
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cpwill said:
Yeah, but then Johnson (who had himself fillibustered anti-lynching laws in the Senate) pushed it through over some in his party's objections and signed it into law. The reason he gave at the time was "I'll have them n**ggers voting Democrat for 200 years".

Classy guy, was LBJ.
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i find it hillarious that there isnt much liberal response to your statement but just liberal silence,guess to democrats the best way to handle evidence or accusations is to ignore them:2razz:
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
if you are white you are guilty of speaking for blacks and guilty of what you accuse me of doing, here is what you said , "We white people will tell everyone else what they can and can't be offended by, since they are too dumb to figure it out on their own."
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Wrong. Black people ARE offended by those statements or we wouldn't be having this discussion. They didn't need a pat on the head from their liberal massa to know what Rick Perry was really talking about when he declared that South Carolina was at war with the federal government (and he did it in response to a voting rights question...on MLK Day). That isn't just ME being offended, that's actual black people being offended. And as long as Republicans continue to use rhetoric filled with racist code words like that, which they know perfectly well offends black people regardless of white Republican views of whether or not they "should" be offended, they will continue to win less than 10% of the black vote.

You can rationalize it all you want and explain to black people why they "shouldn't" be offended...or you can simply acknowledge that they take offense and stop doing it. The fact that you apparently want to go the first route indicates a very deep-seated prejudice.
 
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Dion said:
well ... physicians and educated people are more likely to be liberal or progressive. I think the poll was a general question and not just political. Certainly a party that had a strong foundation of supporting civil rights would appeal to those of color yet each person has unique pov.

Black men are no more likely to be "brainwashed" then white men.

Again, imho the most indoctrinated groups are those that get most of their information from corporate infotainment,
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sawyerloggingon said:
Sorry but the Democrats filibustered the civil right act.
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The Democrats have supported civil rights issues. It was a North v. South issue on that vote and filibuster.

I was speaking collectively of numerous civil rights issues and certainly not excluding individual republicans support.

My point was on one reason many black people support the D party.




The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
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sawyerloggingon said:
I don't see racism in those quotes, you really have to be looking to play the race card to see that. The fact is you libs can't name any Republican policies that would or should alienate blacks so you resort to clumsily playing the race card over and over.
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He did not say there was racism.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
If you are black I would be interested to know how those statements offend you, if you are white you are guilty of speaking for blacks and guilty of what you accuse me of doing, here is what you said , "We white people will tell everyone else what they can and can't be offended by, since they are too dumb to figure it out on their own."
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Actually... that's kind of how it's gone. We're told we can't be offended by certain people saying nigger and not others because... well... white people like you will complain because we are not following some invented form of consistency you think you have to follow. :shrug:.

I mean honestly - I've heard certain white kids say it to their black friends. I don't get offended. They're not saying it to me. However I do get offended if somebody uses it to me and I've at no point joked around on that level with them. Tucker, The Rev and Kanda? Doesn't bother me. Caine, Empirica and Joko? Different story. Context is usually key in who can and can't offend but you've yet to tell us where you draw the line on the brain washing sand so I don't expect you to get why it's offensive when some use it and not others.

The problem is a simple one. If black people think you're an asshole, you saying nigger, nigga or whatever - will - offend them. If they don't? They won't make a fuss. Daniel Tosh? That white dude could roll through Compton yelling nigga and niggas would wave at him. Rush Limbaugh? Not so much. It's not cause Daniel Tosh has a privilege that Rush Limbaugh doesn't have. It's because we know Daniel Tosh isn't doing it to make his white friends in the South smile and wink.

Now here is a simple test: Go up to your black friends, if you have any, joke around, then throw nigga around. If they don't care, you're not an asshole. If they punch you in the face.... well.... there's your sign.
 
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Hatuey said:
Actually... that's kind of how it's gone. We're told we can't be offended by certain people saying nigger and not others because... well... white people like you will complain because we are not following some invented form of consistency they think they have to follow. :shrug:.

I mean honestly - I've heard certain white kids say it to their black friends. I don't get offended. They're not saying it to me. However I do get offended if somebody uses it to me and I've at no point joked around on that level with them. Tucker, The Rev and Kanda? Doesn't bother me. Caine, Empirica and Joko? Different story. Context is usually key in who can and can't offend but you've yet to tell us where you draw the line on the brain washing sand so I don't expect you to get why it's offensive when some use it and not others.

The problem is a simple one. If black people think you're an asshole, you saying nigger, nigga or whatever - will - offend them. If they don't? They won't make a fuss. Daniel Tosh? That white dude could roll through Compton yelling nigga and niggas would wave at him. Rush Limbaugh? Not so much.
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My dad told the story of back in the 60's he got to ride around a day with a couple cops in Detroit. So they are driving down Woodward(a bad part of town), black guys all over the place, burnt down buildings from the riots back then, when one of the cops rolls down the window and yells out "Hey Nigger!". My dad said he thought he was dead. Turned out Nigger was the name of this dog that was over with a couple of the guys, so people looked up, saw who it was, figured out what he was doing, and went back to what they where doing.

Context, it makes all the difference.
 
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Kandahar said:
There it is again. This attitude that those things I just mentioned "shouldn't" alienate blacks, as though you are the expert on the subject and their opinion is irrelevant. If you KNOW that it offends them (whether or not you think it "should" offend them) and you continue doing it anyway, then you are intentionally being racially offensive. The unstated premise of the attitude in your post here is "We white people will tell everyone else what they can and can't be offended by, since they are too dumb to figure it out on their own." And THAT is precisely the attitude that I'm talking about which repulses minority voters.
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The flip side to that of course is the 'white people' that decided that Indian is an offensive turn and that they would prefer 'Native Americans' or the persistent PC labeling of all minority groups.
 
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Redress said:
My dad told the story of back in the 60's he got to ride around a day with a couple cops in Detroit. So they are driving down Woodward(a bad part of town), black guys all over the place, burnt down buildings from the riots back then, when one of the cops rolls down the window and yells out "Hey Nigger!". My dad said he thought he was dead. Turned out Nigger was the name of this dog that was over with a couple of the guys, so people looked up, saw who it was, figured out what he was doing, and went back to what they where doing.

Context, it makes all the difference.
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It's really not that big of an issue and so many people seem to have a problem with it because they want to. I have white friends who I throw the word around with. It's not something we have a problem with. One day we were all listening to Notorious BIG at the house - not that that is how it started but this guy named Tom throws out "Nigga" - we all just looked at him for a second, laughed, and kept singing. They don't show up at my house and are like "HEY NIGGER!" - I mean if they did it just be rude - but if it's around people you know? It's not that big of an issue if you give it context.

I personally take issue with the word when it's inserted in political rhetoric and the use is not even remotely joking. I take issue when it's one of those wink*wink* good old boy uses.
 
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Hatuey said:
It's really not that big of an issue and so many people seem to have a problem with it because they want to. I have white friends who I throw the word around with. It's not something we have a problem with. One day we were all listening to Notorious BIG at the house - not that that is how it started but this guy named Tom throws out "Nigga" - we all just looked at him for a second, laughed, and kept singing. They don't show up at my house and are like "HEY NIGGER!" - I mean if they did it just be rude - but if it's around people you know? It's not that big of an issue if you give it context.

I personally take issue with the word when it's inserted in political rhetoric and the use is not even remotely joking. I take issue when it's one of those wink*wink* good old boy uses.
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This is just imho. I hate the word nigger and would not use it with my white or black friends or colleagues. I do not even try to gauge ... how someone might take it or how close I am to them. I do not like it ... and I am a skinny white chick. I am not racist ... I just do not like negativity and would prefer to be positive and move forward.

That is painful to think of our history and how people suffered. There is still a color line ...even after all the years W.E.B. Du Bois wrote of it. We have made progress as a nation yet we are not there yet.

I would rather be affirming to people. One benefit of working in the healthcare field is the demographics are generally not racist. We are just a team of the human race trying to provide a service to our fellow members.

The word symbolizes a very dark and ugly time period in our country. The white people that throw it around ... in my anecdotal experience are racist.

This is just imho ... my 2 cents.
 
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Redress said:
Irony, you has it.
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Right, that poster, never says anything to me other than remarks about me on his ignore list. Dude hurls an insult, i remarked on it.

But whatever, Any chance you get to hurl an insult at me. :thumbs:
 
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VanceMack said:
The flip side to that of course is the 'white people' that decided that Indian is an offensive turn and that they would prefer 'Native Americans'
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As I'm not acquainted with any Native Americans - nor do they have enough political influence to make commonly-held views in their community widely known - I really don't know if many of them are offended by "Indian." But personally I don't use the term regardless of whether or not they consider it offensive, because it's simply not accurate. Native Americans aren't from India.

or the persistent PC labeling of all minority groups.
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It is simply not the case that white people told minority groups that they should be offended by certain words and phrases. Believe it or not, non-white people actually have brains and can determine for themselves what offends them. And if it doesn't offend them, it doesn't offend me.
 
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Anyway, back at the computer for a moment before heading off to the gym, a quick good found wikapedia with the speech.

A More Perfect Union (speech) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Obama said:
I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother — a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.
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Obama said:
The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity," Obama said on WIP. "She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away, and that sometimes comes out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society.
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So typical white people act in such a prejudiced way? Please redress, others, the kid who loves to tell me how much he ignores me, Can you explain how this statement doesn't cast white people in a racist light?

Please as I've asked for years of you, put it in context for The Good Reverend.

Let's try it without the hysterics, and without the insults that are nothing but attempts to divert....

Thanks, :pimpdaddy:
 
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