Just because you support CCW does NOT mean you must unquestionably accept that it is the RIGHT decision to do this. Did he make the RIGHT decision in doing so? I expect an answer here.
What part of he "was patrolling for citizens watch" are you missing? He was exactly where he was supposed to be doing what he was supposed to be doing. That part has nothing at all to do with CCW.
How would YOU react if you were where YOU belong (a friend's neighborhood) and someone followed you in a vehicle? And then got out of said vehicle and followed you more?
I would turn and say excuse me, can I help you? I would not attack the individual.
That is NOT up for debate. Florida law CLEARLY states that. I question if he was attacked. ESPECIALLY because of his poor decisions.
He could make poor decisions all day and that would not give anyone the right to attack him, period.
As a "Security proffessional" aka mall cop
Nice jab, I am also an x cop. So save the douche bag comments.
...do you ACTUALLY believe that EVERY bad guy gets arrested? If you are as pro-CCW and pro-gun law as you act...then you should understand the reverse that not everyone that is arrested is always guilty (hence our laws for those of us who excersise restraint when carrying) of a crime. Do you even understand how long the Florida court proccess is?
What the hell? I can't make heads nor tails of that incoherent babble?
You should read that back to yourself.
I ALSO feel that...while you clearly do not think it should make light...the background of BOTH parties is relevant in this instance. Zimmerman does NOT have a history of quality decision making, and given his decision to get out of a vehicle...I REALLY feel that is the truth.'
You can "feel" all you want, this does not change the law. Zimmerman did as far as we know, nothing illegal at all.
He was the only volunteer of an unregistered neighborhood watch. That is a VERY important thing to leave out. Or do I mean convienient? Not to mention pursuit of a criminal is NOT within the jursidiction of neighborhood watch. I think that is...well POLICE JURISDICTION. Oh...and did I mention that it is an important note in Citizen Watch/Neighborhood watch to observe from a safe location. How does leaving your vehicle sound?
Then he is guilty of being over zealous at best. Last time I looked none of what you mentioned is illegal at all, none. So again you can "feel" all you want, this does not mean anything according to the law.
"The right to swing my fist ends at another man's nose." Does it not even appear as a BLIP on your radar that, despite it being his right, that his BAD decision brings up a questionable motive? Not to MENTION that it IS a bad decision. To say that it is "not the best decision" makes me question the fact that you are a "security proffesional?" It was a TERRIBLE decision.
That comment makes almost no sense.
Would YOU pursue someone that "looked suspicious" when you are on the phone with police and the person is not directly commiting a forcible felony? I caution you in your answer. I will be all over you like white on rice with your reply. As will ANY jury or lawyer.
Oh please, like I am worried about you being all over anything. :roll: I have already shown multiple times how clueless you are on this subject. So please just stop with the false bravado, it's embarrassing.
And yes I probably would. I would be well within my rights to do so.
So he was in a GATED community huh?
Yes and his own neighborhood as well. He had every right to be there.
And he was out following a kid rather than allowing the police to do that?
He was following a 6'2" man as far as he knew. Martin was 17, far from being a kid. That's OK though you can portray it incorrectly all you like.
That doesn't ring bells? How would you, as a "security proffesional" react? How about as an "being an X LEO?"
I am not Zimmerman, I am a trained professional so it should be obvious I would handle it differently. Why ask such a stupid question?
The only thing ringing here is my head from your ill informed statements.
Yea clearly as an X-LEO who knows the law...you really understand good decision making, and what happens when 1 idiot makes stupid decisions and you don't make an example of his idiocy.
If no law is broken, no matter how bad any decision you can't throw them in prison or take away rights. You can't do that.
Do you NOT understand the rammifications of armchair QBing Zimmerman?
I am the first to understand that our rights are to important to take punitive damages out on people for bad decisions who have not broken the law.
I am the FIRST to defend LEO and those who act out of self defense, but the ONE thing I am equally as quick to do is find the OBVIOUS HOLES in judgement and use those to EDUCATE our wannabe heros who think that just because they have a license, that they are a cop.
Then learning how the law works and knowing when to apply those laws equally and justly will go a long way in making you look informed rather than the reverse.
Do you know what happens to people who do that? They end up in Zimmerman's shoes. Or worse.
Maybe, maybe not. You are not the judge or jury, let the law do it's job without emotion feelings clouding your judgement.
