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Obama or Bush?

Obama or Bush?

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Which would you rather have?

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Any one but Paul.
 
Meh, 6 in one, half dozen in the other.
 
Bush was bad, but Obama is worse, and for the same reasons.

Bush spent too much, but Obama spends more.
Bush borrowed too much, but Obama borrows more.

warrantless wiretaps
Patriot Act
Obama kept these and added profiling.

Obama hasn't reformed Fannie and Freddie. Instead he tried to reinflate the housing bubble with the $8k tax credit.
 
mpg said:
Bush was bad, but Obama is worse, and for the same reasons.

Bush spent too much, but Obama spends more.
Bush borrowed too much, but Obama borrows more.

warrantless wiretaps
Patriot Act
Obama kept these and added profiling.

Obama hasn't reformed Fannie and Freddie. Instead he tried to reinflate the housing bubble with the $8k tax credit.
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OK, a couple of many possible questions.
1) Exactly how would Obama get rid of Patriot Act that congress passed and and Bush signed into law? Or is Obama the King not the president?
2) We have purchased 2 homes in the past 7 years. And we made a offer in on a third last month that is process now. We had the highest offer of 13. W/O stating the exact price and estimate on building a new equivilant, the 5 year old house from scratch is basically double our offer. Where is the new bubble?
 
It is amazing how simplistic some people see the real world. Neither was elected King, though BushII must have thought so with his 'Gawd put me in the White House' crap.

BushII borrowed his money to launch wild 'defense' spending, while Obama is spending trying to keep us out of another Great Depression.

I can't be happy for the continued abuse of Civil Liberties but can only imagine what the right wing ranting would be if any of the 'anti-terrorist' laws were repealed and an attack so much as caused a stubbed toe here in the states. Yet another surrender liberal, left us defenseless, stripped away the tools to save us....and all that rubbish.

Now the housing bubble was fueled by insane levels of speculation, scrapping the bottom of the barrel to loan out money, and totally soulless mortgage bundling. The tax credit can't match that mess.
 
notquiteright said:
It is amazing how simplistic some people see the real world. Neither was elected King, though BushII must have thought so with his 'Gawd put me in the White House' crap.

BushII borrowed his money to launch wild 'defense' spending, while Obama is spending trying to keep us out of another Great Depression.

I can't be happy for the continued abuse of Civil Liberties but can only imagine what the right wing ranting would be if any of the 'anti-terrorist' laws were repealed and an attack so much as caused a stubbed toe here in the states. Yet another surrender liberal, left us defenseless, stripped away the tools to save us....and all that rubbish.

Now the housing bubble was fueled by insane levels of speculation, scrapping the bottom of the barrel to loan out money, and totally soulless mortgage bundling. The tax credit can't match that mess.
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Funny how this explanation makes so much more sense that one from a conservative.
 
Well i never expected anything from Bush. He never came across as bright or capable, though his cronies sure helped him take advantage of public fear. Obama on the other hand is the great disappointment of my life so far. I'm not sure he's worse at governing, pretty much the same really. He campaigns on the left, telling them what they want to hear, while governing on the center-right. The governing is what matters. The one thing he did that made any difference, that wasn't compromised to near oblivion was ending DADT, and even that came at the expense of extending tax cuts for the wealthy. He's had to deal with a congress that's so shamefully unworthy and self-serving that I could not overstate their uselessness, but still he rarely takes the position i voted on him for from the onset.

Hearing that story of his mother having to spend her final days haggling with insurance companies, I thought for sure he will fight to end them. Instead we get a mandate to give them more business! He should have started with single payer, something worth spending so much time and political capital for. Instead we got town halls and "death panels" and senators acclaiming the "best health care system in the world," that thoroughly humiliated and exposed the country and for what? 50 million are uninsured, costs keep going up and his damn bill may get struck down even. The point of him not being king to instantly remove Gitmo and Patriot Act etc is correct, but he certainly has authority to end Afghan/Iraq wars that have become too ridiculous to comment on. He certainly could at least attempt to reverse Bush policies or lash into them with his mesmerizing speaking ability. I question that he really wants to though, which is disappointing. He didn't want to look bad if after repealing them we were attacked...May as well wave a white flag right now.

Making the Repubs look like fools in filibuster sessions would be far more admirable than bowing down to this new 60 votes to pass anything. The filibuster of the Civil Rights bill sure made them look like hateful asses, and some of this might have then actually passed. If Obama of all people, considering his massive popularity in 08, cannot pass anything worthwhile then why do we have a president? Or senate? Why go through the motions anymore? He could have taken a real stand on so many things at this critical time that already have popular support: SSM, wealth inequality, tax loopholes, college costs. In 08 i thought he was a genuine leader who might transcend politics. The real shame will be when like 30% show up to vote because he's let so many down and the Repubs are even worse.
 
wolv67 said:
Well i never expected anything from Bush. He never came across as bright or capable, though his cronies sure helped him take advantage of public fear. Obama on the other hand is the great disappointment of my life so far. I'm not sure he's worse at governing, pretty much the same really. He campaigns on the left, telling them what they want to hear, while governing on the center-right. The governing is what matters. The one thing he did that made any difference, that wasn't compromised to near oblivion was ending DADT, and even that came at the expense of extending tax cuts for the wealthy. He's had to deal with a congress that's so shamefully unworthy and self-serving that I could not overstate their uselessness, but still he rarely takes the position i voted on him for from the onset.

Hearing that story of his mother having to spend her final days haggling with insurance companies, I thought for sure he will fight to end them. Instead we get a mandate to give them more business! He should have started with single payer, something worth spending so much time and political capital for. Instead we got town halls and "death panels" and senators acclaiming the "best health care system in the world," that thoroughly humiliated and exposed the country and for what? 50 million are uninsured, costs keep going up and his damn bill may get struck down even. The point of him not being king to instantly remove Gitmo and Patriot Act etc is correct, but he certainly has authority to end Afghan/Iraq wars that have become too ridiculous to comment on. He certainly could at least attempt to reverse Bush policies or lash into them with his mesmerizing speaking ability. I question that he really wants to though, which is disappointing. He didn't want to look bad if after repealing them we were attacked...May as well wave a white flag right now.

Making the Repubs look like fools in filibuster sessions would be far more admirable than bowing down to this new 60 votes to pass anything. The filibuster of the Civil Rights bill sure made them look like hateful asses, and some of this might have then actually passed. If Obama of all people, considering his massive popularity in 08, cannot pass anything worthwhile then why do we have a president? Or senate? Why go through the motions anymore? He could have taken a real stand on so many things at this critical time that already have popular support: SSM, wealth inequality, tax loopholes, college costs. In 08 i thought he was a genuine leader who might transcend politics. The real shame will be when like 30% show up to vote because he's let so many down and the Repubs are even worse.
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Your looking just 3 years of work in a workplace that is designed to go slow with large number of people that want to stop anything from being done; and while there is an emergency situation with the economy. And you are upset because more wasn't done. I've worked longer than that with other peers assisting trying to get a company to change so we could be successful. The team didn't get there until it was to late. (Luckily I had moved on before the end.)
 
I don't know, this is like asking if you would rather have a lobotomy or given Dick Cheney's old heart.
 
digsbe said:
I don't know, this is like asking if you would rather have a lobotomy or given Dick Cheney's old heart.
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Oh, to much t consider. I think a lobotomy if I don't have to wear a leash. (My wife just asked if Cheney had a heart and I didn't know for sure. I'm glad I chose the lobotomy.)
 
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I'm not too fond of either, as presidential material, but if I had to choose, it would be Bush, hands down.
 
Neither fits my hopes...but at least Obama does not make me cringe every time he speaks.
 
They are essentially the same brand as some have pointed out all ready. Both keep expensive wars going, both expand and create new laws under the Patriot Act, both created expensive healthcare programs that essentially just benefit drug and insurance companies, and of course neither one has produced jobs. That being said Obama actually got Bin Laden and does pretty well for us internationaly by trying to make allies in the world instead of thinking Russia is still some how our enemy.

Also the other Republican canidates will just be Obama and Bush to the 90th power and will plunge our country into even worse problems. So do the right thing and don't vote. You don't want to feel guilty for voting some a-hole in office who will screw our country up more.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
OK, a couple of many possible questions.
1) Exactly how would Obama get rid of Patriot Act that congress passed and and Bush signed into law? Or is Obama the King not the president?
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Patriot Act Extension Signed By Obama





OhIsee.Then said:
2) We have purchased 2 homes in the past 7 years. And we made a offer in on a third last month that is process now. We had the highest offer of 13. W/O stating the exact price and estimate on building a new equivilant, the 5 year old house from scratch is basically double our offer. Where is the new bubble?
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There is no new bubble, yet. The policies that caused the last one are still in place and the $8k tax credit was an attempt to reinflate the bubble.
 
Meh. Obama's not the best. Still, he's not the worst.

Bush? Meh. First term wasn't that bad. 2nd? Forget it.
 
JamesPilrose said:
None. Only Ron Paul.
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He would be a better option that Bush or any of the current republicans running other than himslef. However, this speaks to the low quality of the field. A good choice of a republican would likely beat Obama hands down this election year.
 
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