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Is he lying?

Your instinct ... is Zimmerman lying about what took place?


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Is Zimmerman lying ... by all accounts imho it seems he is. Certainly he should have a fair trial and it is likely forensic evidence will help solve the case.

The closest witnesses described what they saw immediately after hearing gun shots.

Cutcher and her roommate, Selma Lamilla, say they went outside when they heard the gunshot and saw Zimmerman standing over Martin.
“We both saw him straddling the body, basically, a foot on both sides of Trayvon’s body and his hands pressed on his back,” Cutcher said.
Cutcher says Zimmerman told her and her roommate to call the police.
“Zimmerman never turned him over or tried to help him or CPR or anything,” Cutcher said.
Lamilla said that after the shot was fired Zimmerman appeared to be pacing.
“He started walking back and forth like three times with his hand on the head and kind of, he was walking like kind of confused,” she said.
Lamilla said he was touching his head like “he was in shock.”
Police who responded to the scene noted that Zimmerman had injuries to his face and head.
When Lamilla was able to see who had been shot, she was stunned.
“And for me was a shock to see, ‘Oh my God, that it’s a kid. So skinny, no more than 20- years- old. So skinny, like baby faced,” Lamilla said.

http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com...s-parents-say-he-was-headed-on-the-right-path
 
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No clue whatsoever. I think its possible that Zimmerman maybe didn't plan on shooting the kid, and judging from the injuries on his face and head, it feels to me like this isn't straightforward.

I think its completely possible that Zimmerman went up to the kid, planning on verbally abusing him, and maybe pushing him around. Martin didn't take it, and Zimmerman didn't back down, and it ended with him shooting Martin. As to what actually happened, I think we should leave that to the polygraph machines and experts.
 
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Hey ... I have been traveling ... threads are dogpiled as evidence surfaces and new information that Zimmerman felt scared and claims being jumped has surfaced.

All threads are by choice ... do not post if you are tired of the topic or have been online for all of them.

Usually such stories do not catch my attention so much as I prefer other topics yet I was in LAX and the ethical dilemmas and conversations caught my attention.

I wanted to see where people fell in light of new details.
 
A few days ago, I was ready to lynch Zimmerman. Good thing I couldn't find a rope.

Now, I think he's most likely telling the truth. And, of course, unless the state can prove he's not, he'll be done with legal problems...but hardly done with problems. I really think, unless he leaves the area and changes his name, he could be assassinated. Nothing would surprise me here. This is a powder keg. For sure.
 
A few days ago, I was ready to lynch Zimmerman. Good thing I couldn't find a rope.

Now, I think he's most likely telling the truth. And, of course, unless the state can prove he's not, he'll be done with legal problems...but hardly done with problems. I really think, unless he leaves the area and changes his name, he could be assassinated. Nothing would surprise me here. This is a powder keg. For sure.

I don't, but I never wanted to lynch him to begin with. The 911 calls definitely don't paint him in a good light, and some of his comments don't mesh with the eyewitness accounts, as Dion mentioned. I guess the proper course of action would be to "wait and see." It is entirely possible that the truth will never come out unless someone took a video we don't know of. The luxury of this kinda situation is that the other guy is too dead to tell his side of the story.
 
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Zimmerman deserves a fair trial ... yet I suspect that he was playing cop and saw himself as important. He had placed so many calls to police over the past year and had no reason to follow or approach the kid.

I doubt he planned to murder yet when he followed and harassed the kid and then pulled the trigger while playing cop ... he had to reframe it to appear he was scared and being attacked.

I doubt it was racial as much as idiot guy playing cop. Zimmerman was the probably the biggest threat to the neighborhood safety and peace.

I would eventually turn and confront Zimmerman if he followed me ... I am female and weight 108 lbs.

Zimmerman needs to be in jail and have a trial.
 
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Zimmerman deserves a fair tail ... yet I suspect that he was playing cop and saw himself as important. He had placed so many calls to police over the past year and had no reason to follow or approach the kid.

I doubt he planned to murder yet when he followed and harassed the kid and then pulled the trigger while playing cop ... he had to reframe it to appear he was scared and being attacked.

I doubt it was racial as much as idiot guy playing cop. Zimmerman was the probably the biggest threat to the neighborhood safety and peace.

I would eventually turn and confront Zimmerman if he followed me ... I am female and weight 108 lbs.

Zimmerman needs to be in jail and have a trial.

Yeah, if the guy was guilty of anything, first and foremost it would probably be that he was an overzealous wannabe cop. I believe race was part of it but not all of it, as witnesses and neighbors have stated that he had a history of going door to door and telling residents to be on the lookout for "young black men who appear to be outsiders."
 
Is Zimmerman lying ... by all accounts imho it seems he is. Certainly he should have a fair trial and it is likely forensic evidence will help solve the case.

The closest witnesses described what they saw immediately after hearing gun shots.



Inside Dateline - Witnesses describe Trayvon Martin's final moments; Parents say 'He was headed on the right path'

In all honesty I don't know if he is lying or not.Zimmerman could be lying and stalked and killed Martin or Zimmerman was merely defending himself against Martin. IF Zimmerman was defending himself then the media is blatantly guilty of yellow Journalism,which wouldn't be the first time nor the last.If it is found out that the media is guilty of yellow journalism then they should be held liable for any damages and any cost to tax payers like police protection for Zimmerman.
 
I'm really just ready for a trial.
 
A few days ago, I was ready to lynch Zimmerman. Good thing I couldn't find a rope.

Now, I think he's most likely telling the truth. And, of course, unless the state can prove he's not, he'll be done with legal problems...but hardly done with problems. I really think, unless he leaves the area and changes his name, he could be assassinated. Nothing would surprise me here. This is a powder keg. For sure.

Remember the Duke lacrosse case?

The Duke lacrosse case is a common name given to a criminal investigation into a 2006 false accusation of rape made against three members of the men's lacrosse team at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

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In 2005, 2.7% of African Americans became the victim of a violent crime, compared to 2.0% of Whites. African Americans were overall 35% more likely to sustain a violent crime. The likelihood of being murdered was drastically higher for African Americans.[23] In 2004 African Americans constituted roughly 13.4% of the general population,[citation needed] yet, nearly half, 49%, of all murder victims in 2005 were African American.

Crime in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many black-on-black murder victim's parents does Obama console?
 
Remember the Duke lacrosse case?

The Duke lacrosse case is a common name given to a criminal investigation into a 2006 false accusation of rape made against three members of the men's lacrosse team at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

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In 2005, 2.7% of African Americans became the victim of a violent crime, compared to 2.0% of Whites. African Americans were overall 35% more likely to sustain a violent crime. The likelihood of being murdered was drastically higher for African Americans.[23] In 2004 African Americans constituted roughly 13.4% of the general population,[citation needed] yet, nearly half, 49%, of all murder victims in 2005 were African American.

Crime in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many black-on-black murder victim's parents does Obama console?
Here we go...
 
I'm really just ready for a trial.

Judging from what I've heard of this, I don't know that the investigating officers considered this a murder/manslaughter issue, but I'm sure that they're looking into this as much as they can with the limited evidence available. But I don't know how much satisfaction going to trial would provide any of the aggrieved; it would probably lead to further inflammation, and bigger problems.
 
Is Zimmerman lying ... by all accounts imho it seems he is. Certainly he should have a fair trial and it is likely forensic evidence will help solve the case.

The closest witnesses described what they saw immediately after hearing gun shots.



Inside Dateline - Witnesses describe Trayvon Martin's final moments; Parents say 'He was headed on the right path'


You don't know.


I don't know.


Al Sharpton damn sure don't know, neither does Obama.


Noboby knows but Zimmerman.


There's an investigation ongoing.


If everybody will just be patient for a little while and not blow this **** into the Rodney King Riots Part II, we'll see what we see.


Dayum.
 
I'm really just ready for a trial.

I'm sure you know that on April 10th it supposedly goes to the grand jury. What I personally didn't know is that those deliberations are private and not released to the public. So if they don't return a true bill, we still won't really have answers. Maybe we never will.
 
I'm sure you know that on April 10th it supposedly goes to the grand jury. What I personally didn't know is that those deliberations are private and not released to the public. So if they don't return a true bill, we still won't really have answers. Maybe we never will.


If the prosecutor makes any real effort to present a credible indictment, then one will probably be issued. As one judge used to say, "I could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich."
 
In all honesty I don't know if he is lying or not.Zimmerman could be lying and stalked and killed Martin or Zimmerman was merely defending himself against Martin. IF Zimmerman was defending himself then the media is blatantly guilty of yellow Journalism,which wouldn't be the first time nor the last.If it is found out that the media is guilty of yellow journalism then they should be held liable for any damages and any cost to tax payers like police protection for Zimmerman.

Yet, we have Zimmerman"s own words that he is following the kid. Zimmerman did not observe the kid on private property or harassing anyone. The kid was walking in the public street and tapes documented he had just been to the store and purchased candy.

I have a kid that age ...that is skinny and gangly and likes to go to the store and get skittles. Zimmerman felt the kid was acting odd yet I view Zimmerman as acting really odd. He is not trained in law enforcement and had no reason whatsoever to brandish a lethal weapon at that kid.

Honestly ...from a female standpoint ... that big dumb idiot guy sounds like a real pu$$y to have reached for his gun in light of the his own phone call and the facts ( Zimmerman could have defended himself easily with a kid weighing almost half of his own mass and Zimmerman was the one stalking and no witnesses that saw the supposed punch)

My kid wears a hooded sweatshirt in spring weather ... if stalked by a guy that looked like Zimmerman he would be scared. If harassed enough or provoked he might throw a punch and he does not get in fights.

Zimmerman deserves a fair trial ... yet the police are suspect in my opinion to simply have accepted Zimmerman's far out story.

There needs to be a trial yet I suspect Zimmerman was not racist ... just a low self esteem idiot playing tough guy. The police ...? I do wonder if some racism was involved ... and the whole story of Zimmerman ... stinks.

The media ... has reported new details and although I agree with media reporting from corporate networks is trash ... the parents had to get the media's attention in order to even have Zimmerman questioned.

The police failed ... as they had no evidence and arrived to find the kid dead with no weapon and weighing almost half of Zimmerman's weight and knew that Zimmerman had followed the kid by his own admission to the 911 operator.

Another thought ... I wondered if Zimmerman had serious mental health issues.

Whatever happened ... no investigation? Get real ... if that were my kid I would have called every network I detest (Fox, MSNBC etc) and hired a private firm to investigate.
 
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Judging from what I've heard of this, I don't know that the investigating officers considered this a murder/manslaughter issue, but I'm sure that they're looking into this as much as they can with the limited evidence available. But I don't know how much satisfaction going to trial would provide any of the aggrieved; it would probably lead to further inflammation, and bigger problems.
If the investigating officers you're referring to are the Sanford Police, I don't think they're looking much into anything.
 
You don't know.


I don't know.


Al Sharpton damn sure don't know, neither does Obama.


Noboby knows but Zimmerman.


There's an investigation ongoing.


If everybody will just be patient for a little while and not blow this **** into the Rodney King Riots Part II, we'll see what we see.


Dayum.


Except ... there would be no investigation without the public outcry.

I do know ... that Zimmerman followed an unarmed skinny kid on a public street and shot him dead and did not call an ambulance.
 
Voted Don't know.
I am skeptical and sicken by the news. With all of the coverage how is Zimmerman going to get a fair trial if the grand jury calls for one? The jury pool is tainted. There are those that think Zimmerman is innocent. Others think he is guilty. No matter what the outcome, one side is not going to be happy. Either way, two families lives are destroyed.

If Zimmerman goes to trial and is found guilty. He goes to jail.
If Zimmerman goes to trial and is found innocent/justified in his actions. The press should be held accountable for thier actions.
 
Except ... there would be no investigation without the public outcry.

I do know ... that Zimmerman followed an unarmed skinny kid on a public street and shot him dead and did not call an ambulance.


We also know that Zimmerman was injured with injuries consistent with assault, and that two eyewitnesses say Martin was on top of Zimmerman at one point.


The crucial question is who was the first to get physical and why. For that we have no eyewitnesses.... CSI is unlikely to unravel the answer... we have Zimmerman's word and no more, but we also have "innocent until proven guilty".


Unless there's more evidence to come to light, getting a conviction may be difficult. Convictions require evidence.

The only thing the Media, the uninformed mob and the haters need is a whiff of blood in the air and all too many are ready to make sweeping judgments based on very little real data.
 
I am an adult female and weigh about 108 lbs. if i saw your daughter walking down my street and followed her and called 911 ... and they tell me i do not need to follow her ...

A few minutes later I shoot a 70 pound girl with nothing but skittles in her pocket and I tell you she hit me and I was scared so I pull out a gun and shoot her ... and while she is dead i am observed by credible witnesses simply standing on her back. I make no effort to call for medical aid.

No one observed her hitting me ... and she was seen moments earlier and the store buying candy and only had candy and her phone when I decided to shoot her.

Get real people ... Zimmerman deserves his day in court ...yet if not for the public outcry that kid's story would unknown.
 
Either way the man stalked and killed this kid. Doesn't seem right to me.


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Either way the man stalked and killed this kid. Doesn't seem right to me.


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'Way to boil down a complex situation into a single frame cartoon and ignore half the evidence, bravo.
 
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