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Is he lying?

Your instinct ... is Zimmerman lying about what took place?

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MaggieD said:
On the 911 call, Zimmerman says that Martin's coming over to his car.
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Why only a brief part of the call reported if you are so objective and fact seeking?

You left out the evidence. On the call ... it reports that Zimmerman was trailing the kid ... Zimmerman reports the kid turns and looks at Zimmerman and moves closer looking at Zimmerman and then without saying antyhing the kid takes off and Zimmerman complains to the dispatcher the kid is running away from him.
 
Which blows to hell any ridiculous claim that the kid confronted Z.
 
MaggieD said:
On the 911 call, Zimmerman says that Martin's coming over to his car.
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Maggie ... Here again, is the full call.

George Zimmerman 911 call reporting Trayvon Martin - OrlandoSentinel.com

ThePlayDrive said:
And then he says that Martin started running away from him.
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Exactly!

Dion said:
Why only a brief part of the call reported if you are so objective and fact seeking?

You left out the evidence. On the call ... it reports that Zimmerman was trailing the kid ... Zimmerman reports the kid turns and looks at Zimmerman and moves closer looking at Zimmerman and then without saying antyhing the kid takes off and Zimmerman complains to the dispatcher the kid is running away from him.
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What is the point of only reporting when Traybon noticing george is following turns and looks ...takes a few steps closer then takes off away from George? That does not seem like someone who wants all the evidence considered.
 
Excon,
fyrenza,
Peter Ilyich

were the only people who think zimmerman was justified in killing the kid.
 
Dion said:
Why only a brief part of the call reported if you are so objective and fact seeking?

You left out the evidence. On the call ... it reports that Zimmerman was trailing the kid ... Zimmerman reports the kid turns and looks at Zimmerman and moves closer looking at Zimmerman and then without saying antyhing the kid takes off and Zimmerman complains to the dispatcher the kid is running away from him.
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Listened to the call again. You are correct.
 
MaggieD said:
Listened to the call again. You are correct.
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I appreciate your honesty and open mind to consider when new information is presented.
 
Once again law enforcement drops the ball due to lack of training. The police should have collected the clothing of Zimmerman, gun, and photographed any injury. If it turns out AFTER A COMPLETE investigation (generally takes weeks to months) was conducted and not some simple interview that cleared him and then stated it falls under stand your ground. Sounds to me that maybe the police officers that conducted the interview should be fired and move on. I like seeing people fired when they don't do their job.

Nope, most want to jump on either martins or zimmermans side and stand their ground on nothing but a lack of and piss poor investigation. I really don't know what happened other than the Sanford police are complete incompetent morons and now it even less likely the truth will really ever come out.
 
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barbarian_style said:
Once again law enforcement drops the ball due to lack of training. The police should have collected the clothing of Zimmerman, gun, and photographed any injury. If it turns out AFTER A COMPLETE investigation (generally takes weeks to months) was conducted and not some simple interview that cleared him and then stated it falls under stand your ground. Sounds to me that maybe the police officers that conducted the interview should be fired and move on. I like seeing people fired when they don't do their job.

Nope, most want to jump on either martins or zimmermans side and stand their ground on nothing but a lack of and piss poor investigation. I really don't know what happened other than the Sanford police are complete incompetent morons and now it even less likely the truth will really ever come out.
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They aren't incompetent. They know how to do their job. The chose not to because the minor with no record was black.
 
kenvin said:
No they are racist. Zimmerman is playing to racism.
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incompetent - definition of incompetent

in·com·pe·tent (n-kmp-tnt)
adj.
1. Not qualified in legal terms: a defendant who was incompetent to stand trial.
2. Inadequate for or unsuited to a particular purpose or application.
3. Devoid of those qualities requisite for effective conduct or action.
n.
An incompetent person.
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Looks like if its due to race then, once again they are incompetent. For your argument (not mine) the Sanford police was devoid of the qualities needed to effectively conduct a competent investigation.
 
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Dion said:
Zimmerman deserves a fair trial.
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Actually all the evidence and eyewitness accounts indicate that this shooting was in self-defense and the calls for prosecution are coming from known racist hate groups.

Therefore, at this point any attempts to "bring him to trial" would be an example of illegal malicious prosecution.

There is simply no probable cause to believe that Zimmerman broke the law.
 
MaggieD said:
That's the call of Zimmerman's defense attorney, since no one can be forced to take a lie detector test. Refusing to cooperate and take a lie detector test is not admissible in court.

In some courts and in some states, they are. But in those states, both parties must stipulate before the test is given that the results will be admissible. In many jurisdictions, even the mention of a polygraph is enough to get a mistrial.
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I've heard of Judges that wouldn't allow it even though both parties stipulated to it.
Come to think of it, I have heard the same thing concerning some plea bargains to.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
It's actually disputed by the girlfriend's account and Martin's lawyer who is using the girlfriend's account. You have been told this several times now. I don't know why you continue to repeat the same misinformation.
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While you have told me, it was shown to you that your position is wrong.
It is not actually disputed by the girlfriends account.
That is something you are reading into it.

As it is with what has been revealed her statement is consistent with Zimmerman's.
 
Muhammed said:
Actually all the evidence and eyewitness accounts indicate that this shooting was in self-defense and the calls for prosecution are coming from known racist hate groups.

Therefore, at this point any attempts to "bring him to trial" would be an example of illegal malicious prosecution.

There is simply no probable cause to believe that Zimmerman broke the law.
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Well let's hope a good neighborhood watch stops an evil Muslim teen next time. Self defense as they look like terrorists.
 
Dion said:
I appreciate your honesty and open mind to consider when new information is presented.
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Are you willing to do the same?
Especially with all the misconceptions I pointed out to you?

What you pointed out to MaggieD is known information that has no bearing on whether or not Zimmerman's action were legal.
 
Wake said:
If lie detector tests are used routinely on TV shows from Steve Wilkos to Judge Ross, why not use one here?

That way all the speculation can come to an end.
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Sorta, maybe, no.
They are not entirely accurate and generally not admissible. They might do a lot for public opinion, but not to merit a criminal charge (or not).
 
haymarket said:
And it is your certainty which is so frightening.
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Why is knowing what I know and being confident in it "so frightening" to you?
 
kenvin said:
Well let's hope a good neighborhood watch stops an evil Muslim teen next time. Self defense as they look like terrorists.
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The government has asked ALL citizens to report any suspicious activity that might be related to terrorism.

Personally, I think all evil persons out to do evil should be stopped from doing so.
 
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joko104 said:
The government has asked ALL citizens to report any suspicious activity that might be related to terrorism.

Personally, I think all evil persons out to do evil should be stopped from doing so.
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Well then if its your kid next time you will understand. Good for you.
 
From what I have heard so far the police arrived on the scene within 60 seconds of the the shooting.
The responding officer "heard the shot".
With a little cold logic, Zimmerman had just finished a struggle for his life, he has a broken nose,
and his head has been smacked into the sidewalk.
The cops show up Zimmerman is standing over Treyvon's body.
In that few moments, Zimmerman has the composure to think up a complete enough story
to allow the police to release him after his statement.
His made up story then parallels almost exactly with eye witness and ear witness testimony.
Adrinilan is great in an emergency, but poor for problem solving.

As to the police and evidence collected, we do not know what has been collected, tested, ect.. .
The police will learn the true story from the gunshot residue on the clothing of Martin and Zimmerman.
 
longview said:
From what I have heard so far the police arrived on the scene within 60 seconds of the the shooting.
The responding officer "heard the shot".
With a little cold logic, Zimmerman had just finished a struggle for his life, he has a broken nose,
and his head has been smacked into the sidewalk.
The cops show up Zimmerman is standing over Treyvon's body.
In that few moments, Zimmerman has the composure to think up a complete enough story
to allow the police to release him after his statement.
His made up story then parallels almost exactly with eye witness and ear witness testimony.
Adrinilan is great in an emergency, but poor for problem solving.

As to the police and evidence collected, we do not know what has been collected, tested, ect.. .
The police will learn the true story from the gunshot residue on the clothing of Martin and Zimmerman.
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How long was it between the police arrival when the had to take control of the situation, call emergency staff, etc. and coming to the point where the took a statement from Zimmerman. I've been at several incidents and the police have a lot to do. I've been asking this question of others but I don't have an answer.
I have another question for you: If Martin was beating Zimmerman up does that give Zimmerman the right to shoot Martin?

Also: I don't think they got Zimmerman's clothing, they just released him as the SYGL permits.
 
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MaggieD said:
On the 911 call, Zimmerman says that Martin's coming over to his car.
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Yes, after Zimmer had been following him for how long?

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Excon said:
Are you willing to do the same?
Especially with all the misconceptions I pointed out to you?

What you pointed out to MaggieD is known information that has no bearing on whether or not Zimmerman's action were legal.
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It doesn't matter if it was legal its still manslaughter since Martin did not approach him until after he had been followed for a long time. Under the "stand your ground law" Martins approach is justifed.

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OhIsee.Then said:
I have another question for you: If Martin was beating Zimmerman up does that give Zimmerman the right to shoot Martin?
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Yes, if the assault is unprovoked. In this particular though, the case can be legitimately made that Martin felt threatened. The police should have and might be able to still do a proper forensic analysis to determine who stared the fight.

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