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Animal Abuse Registry

Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?


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I do want to thank everyone for participating here. I especially want to acknowledge those who were constructively critical and made suggestions or asked good questions.

Yesterday, I was part of a meeting for several hours where we took the bill as introduced and worked on offering substitute language for some of the things that people objected to here. I hope to have that soon.

You are helping to make this work and I thank you for it. And that will help animals who cannot help themselves.
 
Bull**** excuse for even more government intervention into our lives.
Not "our" lives unless you are an animal abuser.



It's an animal and we have laws to punish those who break them. This however does not mean we need to publicly humiliate people for animal abuse or give the government more control.

This is not to publicly humiliate anyone that excuse can be used on any public list of offenders, anyone can start at their local police station or US post office as there are wanted lists available, there are public lists of defendants and plaintiffs in any court matter. Our society is made up of lists, some positive like the Honor Roll at school and some negative like "Uninvited Guests" list here at DP. http://www.debatepolitics.com/announcements-forum-news/60673-uninvited-guests.html
 
An animal abuser is not considered to be one of my "own people."

They are though, regardless of whatever mantra you want to throw out there. It doesn't make them not human or not American. So in reality it doesn't matter.

I would personally beat the **** out of every animal I came across if it could prevent lists like this. There is nothing "positive" about this. It is nothing more than Big Brother databasing tactics used against the American People. More government, more government, more government. Is that the only thing you people can say?
 
They are though, regardless of whatever mantra you want to throw out there. It doesn't make them not human or not American. So in reality it doesn't matter.

I would personally beat the **** out of every animal I came across if it could prevent lists like this. There is nothing "positive" about this. It is nothing more than Big Brother databasing tactics used against the American People. More government, more government, more government. Is that the only thing you people can say?

Ikari - If we can put aside the slogans like Big Brother for a moment, what is wrong with arming the citizenry and business with information that will help prevent animal abuse?
 
Ikari - If we can put aside the slogans like Big Brother for a moment, what is wrong with arming the citizenry and business with information that will help prevent animal abuse?

What other lists are we going to have for property abuse? We don't need the lists. There is no reason to expand government's ability to database and collect information. I'm against the sex offender list too, the terrorist list, or whatever other lists governmnt has to keep tabs on us. They do not need to be looking over my shoulder every second they get.
 
What good can come of this? Our cats will be safe? I just don't see it.

I would be willing to bet money people would end up on this list for any infraction that involves an animal. Hell the list they have now includes people not even convicted of anything.

They are though, regardless of whatever mantra you want to throw out there. It doesn't make them not human or not American. So in reality it doesn't matter.

I would personally beat the **** out of every animal I came across if it could prevent lists like this. There is nothing "positive" about this. It is nothing more than Big Brother databasing tactics used against the American People. More government, more government, more government. Is that the only thing you people can say?

While I agree it is a scarlet letter list, I also believe that animals are much more than personal property...which is how the law views them. Animal abuse is heinous, beyond reprehensible in my opinion. I also know that people who abuse animals enough to get prosecuted and convicted are the lowest of the lowest of the low in our society. And that animal abuse is quite often a precursor of things to come -- not associated with animals.

You cannot starve horses to death in a corral and let their hooves rot off because you're short of money.
You cannot set cats on fire.
You cannot fight pitbulls.
You cannot beat dogs to death.

And, if you do, I hope Big Brother is watching. And I hope that your friends and neighbors know exactly what kind of human being you are.
 
While I agree it is a scarlet letter list, I also believe that animals are much more than personal property...which is how the law views them. Animal abuse is heinous, beyond reprehensible in my opinion. I also know that people who abuse animals enough to get prosecuted and convicted are the lowest of the lowest of the low in our society. And that animal abuse is quite often a precursor of things to come -- not associated with animals.

May or may not lead to something is not enough to justify government intrusion.

You cannot starve horses to death in a corral and let their hooves rot off because you're short of money.
You cannot set cats on fire.
You cannot fight pitbulls.
You cannot beat dogs to death.

We already have laws against this, so why would a registry be needed? You still have yet to answer what good will come out of this?

And, if you do, I hope Big Brother is watching. And I hope that your friends and neighbors know exactly what kind of human being you are.

This is exactly what we don't need. The government and your neighbor spying on each other. Think about that, because they could be spying on you.
 
Not "our" lives unless you are an animal abuser.

Yes because someone who can't afford to feed a horse is such a hardend criminal. They definitely need to be publicly humiliated. Hell this is the 13th century!

This is not to publicly humiliate anyone that excuse can be used on any public list of offenders, anyone can start at their local police station or US post office as there are wanted lists available, there are public lists of defendants and plaintiffs in any court matter. Our society is made up of lists, some positive like the Honor Roll at school and some negative like "Uninvited Guests" list here at DP. http://www.debatepolitics.com/announcements-forum-news/60673-uninvited-guests.html

Again bull****. This is nothing but feel good useless intrusion needlessly. If the government already has the criminal charges, and they are public, why do we need a registry? It is just total crap.

Wow an "uninvited guest" list. Made up of anonymous user handles on the internet. Now if they posted real names and addresses, that would be a different story.
 
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I also know that people who abuse animals enough to get prosecuted and convicted are the lowest of the lowest of the low in our society.

Anyone who does anything bad to another human is lower than animal abusers. Clearly. Animal abuse lowest of the low? That statement cannot be made by fully rational individuals.
 
May or may not lead to something is not enough to justify government intrusion.

We already have laws against this, so why would a registry be needed? You still have yet to answer what good will come out of this?

This is exactly what we don't need. The government and your neighbor spying on each other. Think about that, because they could be spying on you.

What good comes out of the pedophile database? It puts people on notice that they need to be vigilant.

This information is all public record. The only thing different about it is that it is more readily accessible. I see nothing wrong with it. I'm a Realtor. Look me up in our Illinois database, and you'll see any license infraction I've ever had. (None, in my case, btw.) This kind of database is not without precedent. Maybe we ought to have one for people convicted of domestic violence...in fact, I think that'd be an excellent idea.

I'm also one of those people who doesn't care much about the government "spying on me." I have nothing to hide.
 
Ikari - If we can put aside the slogans like Big Brother for a moment, what is wrong with arming the citizenry and business with information that will help prevent animal abuse?

How will this stop abuse???? The death penalty does not stop murder and the sex offender list does not stop sex offenders, so why would this stop anything at all??? Makes no sense. At least the sex offender list helps parents keep an eye out on the children. This animal list is just useless revenge.
 
Anyone who does anything bad to another human is lower than animal abusers. Clearly. Animal abuse lowest of the low? That statement cannot be made by fully rational individuals.

Those who would hurt helpless animals are of a different ilk than those who get in bar fights.
 
They are though, regardless of whatever mantra you want to throw out there. It doesn't make them not human or not American. So in reality it doesn't matter.

LOL mantra that is your word....and whatever meaning you seem to attach to it.

I would personally beat the **** out of every animal I came across if it could prevent lists like this.

Ikari the implications of your statement are unfortunately very clear.


There is nothing "positive" about this. It is nothing more than Big Brother databasing tactics used against the American People. More government, more government, more government. Is that the only thing you people can say

I am not in favor of "more government" in favor of how an animal abuse registry can benefit society, as I expressed in many earlier posts, the points of which you have not addressed.
 
What good comes out of the pedophile database? It puts people on notice that they need to be vigilant.

No it will not. I will allow people to gawk and make people feel better that no one on the list lives in there neighborhood. In other words it is as useless as tit's on a bull. The pedophile database is a completely different story. It is actually useful in keeping children a little safer. An animal abuser registry will do nothing, nothing at all. It will not lessen animals abuse in any way, and it will not protect anyone's animal. Again this is nothing more than retribution.

This information is all public record. The only thing different about it is that it is more readily accessible. I see nothing wrong with it. I'm a Realtor. Look me up in our Illinois database, and you'll see any license infraction I've ever had. (None, in my case, btw.) This kind of database is not without precedent. Maybe we ought to have one for people convicted of domestic violence...in fact, I think that'd be an excellent idea.

I think people like that are a huge problem and affront to personal liberty and freedom.

I'm also one of those people who doesn't care much about the government "spying on me." I have nothing to hide.

So what? Most people don't. This does not mean we should sit back and lose our right to privacy.
 
That is just ridicules.

Do you abuse animals? You honestly think a couple guys who like to fight in bars and instigate drama are as low as people who put cats in pillowcases for their pitbulls to tear apart? I guess there's no accounting for sensibilities...
 
Do you abuse animals? You honestly think a couple guys who like to fight in bars and instigate drama are as low as people who put cats in pillowcases for their pitbulls to tear apart? I guess there's no accounting for sensibilities...

Yes every chance I get. :roll: That question serves absolutely no purpose in this debate.

If a couple of guys fight in a bar, so what? Has little to do with dog fighting etc. That's the point, it is irrelevant.

Guess there is no accounting for ****ing common sense.
 
Yes because someone who can't afford to feed a horse is such a hardend criminal. They definitely need to be publicly humiliated. Hell this is the 13th century!


Again bull****. This is nothing but feel good useless intrusion needlessly. If the government already has the criminal charges, and they are public, why do we need a registry? It is just total crap.

Your attempt to trivialize this issue is the product of poor judgment in application of what a crime is and is not here is an example of what would be listed and the person attached to the action.

"Except as provided in subdivision (c) of this section or Section 599c, every person who maliciously and intentionally maims, mutilates, tortures, or wounds a living animal, or maliciously and
intentionally kills an animal, is guilty of a crime."

Wow an "uninvited guest" list. Made up of anonymous user handles on the internet. Now if they posted real names and addresses, that would be a different story.
Whether you like it or not just about every facet of society has "list" attached to it, even an internet forum.
 
Can you show me a single instance where this database has stopped an incident of abuse in the places it has already been enacted?
 
Yes every chance I get. :roll: That question serves absolutely no purpose in this debate.

If a couple of guys fight in a bar, so what? Has little to do with dog fighting etc. That's the point, it is irrelevant.

Guess there is no accounting for ****ing common sense.

The question does serve a purpose if you do abuse animals....if you treat them poorly because you can. Most people find animal abuse horrific. You don't. I wonder why that is. (I doubt you do, btw, but it's an honest question.)
 
Can you show me a single instance where this database has stopped an incident of abuse in the places it has already been enacted?

And just how would we know it stopped it if it stopped it??
 
Those who would hurt helpless animals are of a different ilk than those who get in bar fights.

Humans are on a whole different level than animals.
 
A state legislator in Michigan is proposing that the State enact an Animal Abuser registry modeled after other states Sex Offender Registry system.

Legislator from Detroit introduces bill to create an animal abuser registry | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

In Wayne County alone, the Humane Society investigated over 5,000 cases of animal abuse in 2011. No other state has this although similar legislation has been introduced in at least five states.

Is this an idea whose time has come?
No, it's not a good idea. I don't even think a sex offender registry is a good idea. Criminals should be monitored by the state not citizens who are oftentimes loose cannons. Registries are unjustified invasion of privacy that leave criminals who have served their time at the whim of the often stupid and irrational public.
 
Your attempt to trivialize this issue is the product of poor judgment in application of what a crime is and is not here is an example of what would be listed and the person attached to the action.

It is trivial and the punishment should fit the crime. Animals are property and have no rights. If an animal harms a human it is killed, not the other way around. Someone who is careless or lazy for whatever reason should not be put on a public list for life and treated like a criminal because of a misdemeanor animal abuse charge, period.

"Except as provided in subdivision (c) of this section or Section 599c, every person who maliciously and intentionally maims, mutilates, tortures, or wounds a living animal, or maliciously and
intentionally kills an animal, is guilty of a crime."

According to that most hunters and fisherman should be on that list as well. Hell they maim, mutilate and wound living animals all the time. That's how ridicules this list is.

Whether you like it or not just about every facet of society has "list" attached to it, even an internet forum.

Wow the appeal to common practice fallacy shows how weak your argument really is.
 
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