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Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

Is there a War on Women?


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white men :shock:

as if you fight against native americans:lamo

No, we fight against something much worse.... the weight of a society that no longer values those who CAN and SHOULD produce the means for survival over those who cannot, will not, or should not produce those means.
 
No, we fight against something much worse.... the weight of a society that no longer values those who CAN and SHOULD produce the means for survival over those who cannot, will not, or should not produce those means.

Tigger - when it comes to those who produce the means of survival you sure as hell aren't on the list of people I'd go to for that. LOL - a lot of guys aren't, in fact . . . this macho 'men should' junk you spit out is silly considering you admittedly fail at everything that you claim men should be doing.
 
And what barriers would that be? Women make the same money have the same jobs outside of combat arms in the military. You can go to the same schools for the same money etc. So what are these barriers??? A few sexist men out there? Because it certainly is not the law. How about those personal struggles? How are the struggles of anyone any worse than anyone else?

There are many industries which women don't participate in equally as men. My sister was a cage fighter and worked in many male dominated areas such as automotive and now law. There are barriers and sexist treatment on many levels for women like her, women working in the traditional boy's clubs. Women are not equally involved in government. Look at the way Palin and Hillary were treated in 2008. If anything, that right there should tell you that women are treated differently, expected to act different from the men, and face a unique set a barriers to this day. Saying anything different is extremely naive, but obviously you're a man... and stereotypically speaking in the manner of a female sexist, men don't understand these things and are incapable of it, simply because of their gender.


I have felt racism, and racism is not dead. I don't think anyone in this thread said anything even close to sexism is no longer around. That is a gross exaggeration at beat.

It's not a gross exaggeration given your above statement. Just because women have equal rights, it doesn't mean we are all on equal footing. Just because I can be the president, doesn't mean I will be treated like every other, former male president and my role as a woman and a parent, and my parental and reproductive decisions, will not be judged. Women are making progress still, and I am not denying much of battle has been already fought for women's equality. But to sit here and tell me there are no barriers or sexist institutions left, is far from true.

I am sure if I asked you, as a man, to list the sexist barriers and the sexist institutions you deal with, it would a lot easier for you to do that... because you're a man.

And I have seen many women who disrespect men as well, so what? It does not mean a hill of bean's because anecdotal evidence does not mean ****. It is to subjective to be proof of anything.

So again who is being dismissive?

Disrespecting women does mean a hill of beans. Women shouldn't be ****ing disrespected, beaten, or have to deal with rape and sexual abuse, or any abuse. I am not saying men don't deal with that stuff, but this thread isn't about men, so don't try to turn into a thread about men.
 
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This whole war on women thing is retarded. If it were men vs women it would be like Aliens vs Predator. Which ever one of them wins WE LOSE. However, I do believe chivalry should be expected of men, along with some basic respect. If you take those two out, you have fat, old, pill-popping men talking **** about a random woman and then you get this topic.
 
There are many industries which women don't participate in equally as men.

Oh you mean like black swimmers and hockey players? Give me a break, most of those are self imposed, they are just not that interested in it.

My sister was a cage fighter and worked in many male dominated areas such as automotive and now law. There are barriers and sexist treatment on many levels for women like her, women working in the traditional boy's clubs. Women are not equally involved in government. Look at the way Palin and Hillary were treated in 2008. If anything, that right there should tell you that women are treated differently, expected to act different from the men, and face a unique set a barriers to this day.

This is not a barrier of "law" it is a barrier of a few sexist men. That would be like me blaming all white people for the racism I have seen when it had nothing to do with law and more to do with their own personal faults.

How were Hillary and Palin treated any different from Bush or Obama? :lol:

Saying anything different is extremely naive, but obviously you're a man... and stereotypically speaking in the manner of a female sexist, men don't understand these things and are incapable of it, simply because of their gender.

As I mentioned that

Yea so I guess no white person can understand racism either. :roll:

It's not a gross exaggeration given your above statement. Just because women have equal rights, it doesn't mean we are all on equal footing. Just because I can be the president, doesn't mean I will be treated like every other, former male president and my role as a woman and a parent, and my parental and reproductive decisions, will not be judged. Women are making progress still, and I am not denying much of battle has been already fought for women's equality. But to sit here and tell me there are no barriers or sexist institutions left, is far from true.

Plenty of men are not on equal footing. That is a fantasy, it will never happen. Not because of racism or sexism but because certain jobs or life choices etc will always be taken by some people.

Ahhhh and there it is listed in red. Abortion rights and you see it as an attack on women. This has nothing to do with this at all. It is not a barrier at all anymore.

I am sure if I asked you, as a man, to list the sexist barriers and the sexist institutions you deal with, it would a lot easier for you to do that... because you're a man.

I don't know of any for men and only 1 for women because according to the evidence, are not built to do it anyway. That would be a ground combat unit in the military.

Disrespecting women does mean a hill of beans. Women shouldn't be ****ing disrespected, beaten, or have to deal with rape and sexual abuse, or any abuse.

Being disrespectful and breaking the law are two different things. I will wave my magical wand and make everyone stop committing crimes because women should not have to deal with it. :roll:

I am not saying men don't deal with that stuff, but this thread isn't about men, so don't try to turn into a thread about men.

That is the best you could come up with? Jeeesh why did I even bother.
 
Absolutely true - it's more prevalent then people think.

I don't understand how anyone can deny that it even exists. The data are clear that women are at a disadvantage in so many sectors of the economy. The simple truth is that men hold the power in society for the most part, and this is due to a number of historical and social factors.
 
I don't understand how anyone can deny that it even exists. The data are clear that women are at a disadvantage in so many sectors of the economy. The simple truth is that men hold the power in society for the most part, and this is due to a number of historical and social factors.

No one is saying it does not exist. At least I have not seen it. people are saying it is not a war on women. It's not.
 
Tigger - when it comes to those who produce the means of survival you sure as hell aren't on the list of people I'd go to for that. LOL - a lot of guys aren't, in fact . . . this macho 'men should' junk you spit out is silly considering you admittedly fail at everything that you claim men should be doing.

Not at all. I am more than capable of providing for myself and my family (should there ever be one). That is what a Man "should" do. I'm not sure what else there is that you're referring to? There is no dishonor in waiting to find a proper woman before engaging in a relationship. In fact it should be the standard rather than the exception.
 
Forgive me if this has already been covered, I've not the time to read through the previous 38 pages of posts.

When I read the word "war" as it's implied in this setting, I can't help but think of a concerted, premeditated, and accepted attack with a select purpose and goal.

For those who think there's a "war on women", surely you're not suggesting that men are getting together in "secret meetings" and actively planning how to subjugate and oppress the ladies are you?

I assume you're not implying a concentrated and defined effort that the majority of men are in concert with and agree is the best path forward for all are you?

Of course there are still hurdles for females when it comes to certain aspects of life in modern western society, but to imply there's a "war" against them is ludicrous.

Women have made HUGE strides in breaking through boundaries and it's not been because they haven't had the help and acceptance of men along the way.

There are more women in college than men.
There are women running major corporations like Pepsi and Dupont.

Is there true equality? Not yet.

Are we closer than ever before to having equality? Absolutely.

A "war on women"?

No. Not in the USofA.
 
I think that this thread and many of the posters seem to be completely dismissing women and some barriers and personal struggles women currently face. Have I felt personally offended because I have experienced sexism? Yes, I have. Sexism isn't dead. If any woman here can say she hasn't experienced it, either in some extreme, physically violent form or some lesser form of derogatory or insult, then you're a lucky one.

I have seen too many men not respect women.

The blindness and dismissive tone in this thread is most aggravating thing to see.

Who here is saying sexism doesn't exist?

What seems to be suggested is it isn't some epedimic that is systematic across the country that is "warring against" Women to deny them rights.

You experienced Sexism. Wow that sucks. You've ran into some jerks.

I dare you to find me anyone that hasn't had bad things happen in their life because of assholes, jerks, or bitches before. Simply because some of their jerkiness to you was because you're a female doesn't make you any more special or a precious snow flake than someone who had people act like a jerk towards them because they're white, or a male, or young, or a geek, or unpopular, or too trusting, or black, or foreign, or gay, or shy, or any other reason.

Seriously, save for one or two admitted extermists in here, I don't think anyone is saying that sexism just doesn't exist or that there aren't still sexists in the world. But that's SIGNIFICANTLY differnet then suggesting there's some kind of sizable, legitimate, meaningful, "war on women" going on.
 
Seems to me far too many people wake up in the morning thinking, "Let's see, how can I be a victim today?" The "usual suspects" excel at this.
 
There are many industries which women don't participate in equally as men. My sister was a cage fighter and worked in many male dominated areas such as automotive and now law. There are barriers and sexist treatment on many levels for women like her, women working in the traditional boy's clubs.

There must be a "war on men" then as well as the same is true in regards to industries or situations that are traditionally female. I've experienced it first hand. I'm an executive assistant which to the outside world, and even some internally, is viewed as nothing more than a glorified secretary. We have conferences where all the various admin officers (which I am for my office) get together each year where I get strange looks from the various females because I'm one of one or two other males in the room. Every friendly email that goes out generally gets addressed as if its a female audience. And it continues on. Why? Because I'm in a position that traditionally you see more women in and people are conditioned to act a certain way. The Difference seemingly between you and I is I'm not apt to go all victim mentality and scream about how unfair it is that people dare to be generally conditioned to expect what is most common place to happen and have a rather normal human reaction when viewing something uncommon and therefore strange.

Women are not equally involved in government. Look at the way Palin and Hillary were treated in 2008.

Absolutely. However this isn't the law, its society. And Palin and Hillary werne't just treated that way by males either but largely by females. Double standards ABSOLUTELY exist in society. Without question. Is that sexism? Hard to say.

Is it sexist that a woman expects me to pay for dinner on our date?

Is it sexist that a female could have a homosexual escapade in our society and turn it into a way to become more popular or even a celebrity, but for a man it's a subject of embrassment and ridicule (look at politics for this later part as well if you want to go the political route)?

Is it sexist that society believes that a man should treat a woman differently than a man in regards to altercations, either verbal or physical?

Is it sexist that various businesses provides benefits to females but not to males, or even are abjectly allowed to deny male patronage?

If you want to go 2008 politics, was it sexist that there were numerous governos with arguably a far better track record than Palin's that was passed over seemingly because of the fact they were male and she was female? Was it sexist in either case when voteres were suggesting one of the prime reasons they were voting for either candidate (primary for hillary, regular for Palin) because it was a female?

Unquestionably there are double standards in society. However, that's a far cry from a "war on women" in regards to the law, and the double standards exist throughout the realm of sex, race, class, personality, etc.

Hell, look at yourself as you proclaim to tell us that men can't possibly understand what it is that a female goes through in regards to sexism while you sit here and act like you know what the **** we think, we feel, or we as some hive mind of our sex do. The same ridiculous logic on your part, that somehow becuase we don't share the one singular trait with you that we have absolutely NO way of understanding at all what occurs, applies back to yourself in regards to your take on men and their actions.

Just because women have equal rights, it doesn't mean we are all on equal footing.

No one is on equal footing.
 
I don't understand how anyone can deny that it even exists.

Seemingly no one is, save for possibly one extremist htat no one agrees with. It is a strawman created by Shewolf to go on her rant about how horrible sexist males are because she absolutely knows it to be true, despite not being male, but don't you dare say she's wrong unless you're female becuase then you have no way to understand what she's saying.
 
I don't understand how anyone can deny that it even exists. The data are clear that women are at a disadvantage in so many sectors of the economy. The simple truth is that men hold the power in society for the most part, and this is due to a number of historical and social factors.

Because some statistics are deceiving: people think that statistics can be a true measure of reality - but really - it just reflects the effects taht government forced regulations and measures have.

Take the false-reality away and you see that we haven't gotten as far as people think - because people's opinions are usually the last thing to change.

Also - people just look around and believe that women have it good, for whatever reason - the government finaly gave us the right to vote so everything's great. Or you have sexist dingdongs running around parading false ideas taht women secretly rule the world - or something - and we're evil. LOL
 
"War on Women" seems to be the popular buzz phrase lately. Do you believe there is a war against women in this country right now?

Yes....and No.

Even without Rush, Santorum, and the Evangelical wing...The right does seem rather set on dismissing women as a general rule, this does not however constitute warfare...more a wish to keep things the way they were.

The left does seem a bit more compassionate, but likely this is simply to differentiate from the left, and not be counted amongst them in the minds of 50% of voters.
 
Yes....and No.

Even without Rush, Santorum, and the Evangelical wing...The right does seem rather set on dismissing women as a general rule, this does not however constitute warfare...more a wish to keep things the way they were.

The left does seem a bit more compassionate, but likely this is simply to differentiate from the left, and not be counted amongst them in the minds of 50% of voters.

Is it dismissive when Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann are major player who spout the same rhetoric?
 
Is it dismissive when Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann are major player who spout the same rhetoric?

Thank you for pointing this out, as I try not to consider these women overly much and thus tend to neglect them in my opinions. It does point to another dramatic example of of my post intent.

Those women the right does decide to put forward, are very poor examples of the gender...and we wont even talk about witchy-poo, or Arizona.
 
Because some statistics are deceiving: people think that statistics can be a true measure of reality - but really - it just reflects the effects taht government forced regulations and measures have.

Statistics are not deceiving, people trying to twist them to take advantage are deceiving. Numbers are just numbers and have no agenda at all. They in some cases reflect some effects of government in some they do not. In this case it has literally nothing to do with it.

Take the false-reality away and you see that we haven't gotten as far as people think - because people's opinions are usually the last thing to change.

What false reality? Please point out these magical statistics that change reality?

Also - people just look around and believe that women have it good, for whatever reason - the government finaly gave us the right to vote so everything's great. Or you have sexist dingdongs running around parading false ideas taht women secretly rule the world - or something - and we're evil. LOL

Now you just went over the top. No one has said or implied anything even close.

Now their are some people out in the world who believe this, men and women but it does not apply here or to the fictional "war on Women."
 
Those women the right does decide to put forward, are very poor examples of the gender...and we wont even talk about witchy-poo, or Arizona.

Remember, when it comes to the "War on Women", it only counts if as warfare if you're insulting or treating differently or speaking in a deragatory fashion about liberal women or women in general. Conservative women...fair game! They're like the female version of uncle toms (or as they're more classicly called today, black conservatives).
 
Remember, when it comes to the "War on Women", it only counts if as warfare if you're insulting or treating differently or speaking in a deragatory fashion about liberal women or women in general. Conservative women...fair game! They're like the female version of uncle toms (or as they're more classicly called today, black conservatives).

Repeated for truth.

This is an absolute fact.
 
I can't help but think this whole discussion (minus the poll) belongs in the "conspiracy theory" section.
 
I don't think there is a war on women. If there is I surrrender. :cool:
 
Those women the right does decide to put forward, are very poor examples of the gender...and we wont even talk about witchy-poo, or Arizona.

You're correct that they are very poor examples of the gender. Just like Margaret Thatcher, Hillary Clinton, and every other female involved in politics is.
 
Statistics are not deceiving, people trying to twist them to take advantage are deceiving. Numbers are just numbers and have no agenda at all. They in some cases reflect some effects of government in some they do not. In this case it has literally nothing to do with it.



What false reality? Please point out these magical statistics that change reality?



Now you just went over the top. No one has said or implied anything even close.

Now their are some people out in the world who believe this, men and women but it does not apply here or to the fictional "war on Women."

Don't pretend that the entire world can be summarized accurately in numbers - numbers are an attempt to explain and keep track, they don't account for everything. . . and the ycan be misleading when other things that are heavily involved cannot be mapped.

anyone who is a statistician knows this - it's a flaw. Doesn't mean they're not useful or beneficial - but numbers don't always paint the entire picture. You can't pretend that they do.
 
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