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Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

Is there a War on Women?

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Medusa said:
there is a war on women in every part of the world:roll: , many women cant benefit from the opportunities given to the men to prove their potential capabilities.
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Women enjoy the same rights and oppurtunities as men in the U.S., it's really quite a nice place for either gender to live.
 
Hare said:
Women enjoy the same rights and oppurtunities as men in the U.S., it's really quite a nice place for either gender to live.
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it must be heaven
 
Hare said:
Women enjoy the same rights and oppurtunities as men in the U.S., it's really quite a nice place for either gender to live.
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No we don't - we have to speak in terms of a futeristic period and pregnancy free world before some guys start to entertain the notion that women should be able to do the same thing that men do.

But does that mean we're amid some type of all-out 'war' - no, it doesn't: it means that I'm well aware of the fact that some obvious men just don't like women - a flat out obnoxious truth.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Eh, there's definitely a patriarchal attack on women's health issues including abortion and female contraception coming from the right. You could call that a "war on women", but I'd just, again, call it "a patriarchal attack on women's health issues including abortion and female contraception coming from the right."
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It sure is wonderful when you can take what someone is arguing for, completely and utterly repurpose the reasons they are arguing for it and their thoughts behind it, present that repurposed dishonesty as if its the actual fact, and then use that repurposed dishonesty as the basis for insulting said group.

There's no War on Women, but I sure as hell wish we could have a War on Hackishness
 
Aunt Spiker said:
No we don't - we have to speak in terms of a futeristic period and pregnancy free world before some guys start to entertain the notion that women should be able to do the same thing that men do.
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No we talk in terms of you need to be physically able to do a job before you can do it. Please point out one case, just one where standards were not lowered for women when they have been let in to roles that require physical strength/endurance?

Reality is a bitch ain't it.

Aunt Spiker said:
But does that mean we're amid some type of all-out 'war' - no, it doesn't: it means that I'm well aware of the fact that some obvious men just don't like women - a flat out obnoxious truth.
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The only obnoxious truth here is your inability to except the reality of a situation and it is eating you alive.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
No we don't - we have to speak in terms of a futeristic period and pregnancy free world before some guys start to entertain the notion that women should be able to do the same thing that men do.

But does that mean we're amid some type of all-out 'war' - no, it doesn't: it means that I'm well aware of the fact that some obvious men just don't like women - a flat out obnoxious truth.
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How does the ability to reproduce hamper women's rights and oppurtunities? It is a choice after all, not a predetermined fate.
 
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Hare said:
How does the ability to reproduce hamper women's rights and oppurtunities? It is a choice after all, not a predetermined fate.
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Well in her defense she was talking about women in ground combat units and the possibility of pregnancy as one reason for barring females from combat ground units.

The whole rant is because of another thread here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/121441-should-women-allowed-serve-combat-roles-military.html and has very little relevance in this thread.
 
Blackdog said:
No we talk in terms of you need to be physically able to do a job before you can do it. Please point out one case, just one where standards were not lowered for women when they have been let in to roles that require physical strength/endurance?

Reality is a bitch ain't it.



The only obnoxious truth here is your inability to except the reality of a situation and it is eating you alive.
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Hello

I'm referring to a 'war on women' here with these statements as an overall notable mentality in general, broad terms.

This is not the 'should women be allowed in the military' thread and I'm not going to discuss just that one thing here. Believe it or not: military issues are not the only time in which men bring our natural condition up as a negative . . . so I kept my comment quite vague in respect to the broader issues in which it's tossed out as a concern.

And my post here, by the way - was not a rant. A rant involves emotion. I was being quite emotionless as I am now.

You need to pretend you don't see it: some men (as I stated) don't have favorable views of women doing 'man' things - that's how it is . . . . like I said: does that mean our entire nation in a broader sense is having 'a war on women' - no. It does not. I can still see things in a larger sense - and divide the 'some' from the 'many'

You can go back to the military-women thread and debate yourself all you want. I see no point in continuing banter with you - I have my view, you have yours. . . . and I was not bringing *that* up here - I was being quite broad with my reference. . .and you took it personally.

(edit: and on this note - whenever I bring up *something* - I strongly urge you to try not to take things personally or assume it's said about *you* directly. If I want to get personal with you I will do so quite bluntly. You do not need to read all of my statements and assume I'm discussing you, something you said, or something we debated, and get upset.)
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Hello

I'm referring to a 'war on women' here with these statements as an overall notable mentality in general, broad terms.

This is not the 'should women be allowed in the military' thread and I'm not going to discuss just that one thing here. Believe it or not: military issues are not the only time in which men bring our natural condition up as a negative . . . so I kept my comment quite vague in respect to the broader issues in which it's tossed out as a concern.

And my post here, by the way - was not a rant. A rant involves emotion. I was being quite emotionless as I am now.

You need to pretend you don't see it: some men (as I stated) don't have favorable views of women doing 'man' things - that's how it is . . . . like I said: does that mean our entire nation in a broader sense is having 'a war on women' - no. It does not. I can still see things in a larger sense - and divide the 'some' from the 'many'

You can go back to the military-women thread and debate yourself all you want. I see no point in continuing banter with you - I have my view, you have yours. . . . and I was not bringing *that* up here - I was being quite broad with my reference. . .and you took it personally.

(edit: and on this note - whenever I bring up *something* - I strongly urge you to try not to take things personally or assume it's said about *you* directly. If I want to get personal with you I will do so quite bluntly. You do not need to read all of my statements and assume I'm discussing you, something you said, or something we debated, and get upset.)
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That is blatantly not true, but you know this.

This thread "we have to speak in terms of a futeristic period and pregnancy free world before some guys start to entertain the notion that women should be able to do the same thing that men do. - Aunt Spiker

My response to you in the other thread "In the future if we could overcome by technology whatever issues with pregnancy and a lack of hygiene for long periods in the field, with no lowering of the physical standards? - Blackdog

This thread "it means that I'm well aware of the fact that some obvious men just don't like women - a flat out obnoxious truth. - Aunt Spiker

Your reply directly to me in the other thread "'Realistically' my pink starfish. . .at what point in time - do you imagine - you'd ever be ok with it? LOL - never. Don't pretend your view is anything other than what it is: nothing grinds my nerves more than a sexist male who tries to lie and pretend he's not just being a sexist male. ****: at least some guys around here are ballsy enough to say "I just don't flat out like women" - damn. - Aunt Spiker

So please, I am not stupid.

PS you still avoiding my question...

No we talk in terms of you need to be physically able to do a job before you can do it. Please point out one case, just one where standards were not lowered for women when that have been let in to roles that require physical strength/endurance?
 
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Regardless of your efforts I refuse to skew this thread off it's subject and debate, here, with what was being debated elsewhere - that was not my intent with my comments. If this thread devolves into a personalized rant it will get flushed to the basement - and so far we've all behaved here pretty well and I'd like to not ruin it.

However, while you're in this thread, do you want to comment on the broad, generalized subject of 'is there a war on women in the US' - in broad, generalized terms?

I say 'no' - eventhough there are some people who are personally against us: I don't think they're influential enough or numerous enough to declare that there's a large effort against women in general or that the majority of people 'feel' that way.

To satisfy you: I was thinking of other situations - like the political area (in which we're generalized ot be overly emotional because of our hormones via pms, etc). Or sports (we're just icky when we want to play football - or wrestle). . . and so forth.

Are these views dominating and nationwide? No - they're not.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Regardless of your efforts I refuse to skew this thread off it's subject and debate, here, what was being debated elsewhere - that was not my intent with my comments.
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Fair enough.

Aunt Spiker said:
However, while you're in this thread, do you want to comment on the broad, generalized subject of 'is there a war on women in the US' - in broad, generalized terms?
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I already have: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/121319-there-war-women-united-states-34.html#post1060313733

Aunt Spiker said:
I say 'no' - eventhough there are some people who are personally against us: I don't think they're influential enough or numerous enough to declare that there's a large effort against women in general or that the majority of people 'feel' that way.
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I don't think there is any war against women. As for the rest, that's on you. I know there are some, but you are obviously wrong about some of those, myself included.
 
Are there some men in the US that are obviously sexist and actively would like to see and work towards women in a lesser role in society?

Sure thing.

There's also women out there in the US that are obviously sexist and acitvely would like to see and work towards men's role in society becoming lessened as well, and who would like to see men be forced out of traditional roles and forced into non-traditional roles as well.

I think both are such the minority in this country that attempting to interject it into the thread, especially just one side of it, is worthless unless one has an ulterior motive or point they're trying to present but in a way that makes it SEEM like they're not trying ot say it.
 
Zyphlin said:
Are there some men in the US that are obviously sexist and actively would like to see and work towards women in a lesser role in society?

Sure thing.

There's also women out there in the US that are obviously sexist and acitvely would like to see and work towards men's role in society becoming lessened as well, and who would like to see men be forced out of traditional roles and forced into non-traditional roles as well.

I think both are such the minority in this country that attempting to interject it into the thread, especially just one side of it, is worthless unless one has an ulterior motive or point they're trying to present but in a way that makes it SEEM like they're not trying ot say it.
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Yes - very good points.
 
There is a war against white men and in allowing illegal aliens more rights than US Citizens... but not a war against women.
 
There is a very foolish attack by some politicians and talking heads, but far from all women are affected by these laws and proposed laws, so I don't know if i would frame it as "war on women." I agree that's just a distraction tactic for the most part, seeing as the incumbents have pretty much no accomplishment worth a damn to stand on. I think it will backfire badly however. Maybe if men couldn't take viagra that would balance it out somewhat?
 
I think that this thread and many of the posters seem to be completely dismissing women and some barriers and personal struggles women currently face. Have I felt personally offended because I have experienced sexism? Yes, I have. Sexism isn't dead. If any woman here can say she hasn't experienced it, either in some extreme, physically violent form or some lesser form of derogatory or insult, then you're a lucky one.

I have seen too many men not respect women.

The blindness and dismissive tone in this thread is most aggravating thing to see.
 
Bodhisattva said:
There is a war against white men and in allowing illegal aliens more rights than US Citizens... but not a war against women.
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I disagree that there is a war against any class of people in the US. The US has many basic rights for all people, but there is discrimination still. Modern discrimination, bigotry, and sexism is more of a social issue today than a legal or government issue. This thread illustrates the social division between people and their view of women in terms of women's issues. Some people have decided to be against other people and not for all people.

The government has done it's job and washed it's hands of many sins. Now the people have to stop trying to cry the loudest over their own class, race, and gender.

We should not dismiss all other races, genders, and classes to ask for equality or to be treated with dignity.
 
SheWolf said:
I think that this thread and many of the posters seem to be completely dismissing women and some barriers and personal struggles women currently face. Have I felt personally offended because I have experienced sexism? Yes, I have. Sexism isn't dead. If any woman here can say she hasn't experienced it, either in some extreme, physically violent form or some lesser form of derogatory or insult, then you're a lucky one.

I have seen too many men not respect women.

The blindness and dismissive tone in this thread is most aggravating thing to see.
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Now, now, don't be silly, nobody's being dismissive. Don't you worry your pretty little head about that. :mrgreen:
 
SheWolf said:
I think that this thread and many of the posters seem to be completely dismissing women and some barriers and personal struggles women currently face. Have I felt personally offended because I have experienced sexism? Yes, I have. Sexism isn't dead. If any woman here can say she hasn't experienced it, either in some extreme, physically violent form or some lesser form of derogatory or insult, then you're a lucky one.

I have seen too many men not respect women.

The blindness and dismissive tone in this thread is most aggravating thing to see.
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Absolutely true - it's more prevalent then people think.
 
Josie said:
"War on Women" seems to be the popular buzz phrase lately. Do you believe there is a war against women in this country right now?
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No ... actually within the school and legal system there seems to be more of a war on male gender imho. Of course, there are individual situations that differ.

Men and women each face unique issues because of gender yet right now the system if tilted towards women.

I just cannot get over how women trash themselves so much by emulating idiots in the media after gaining equal rights etc.
 
Bodhisattva said:
There is a war against white men and in allowing illegal aliens more rights than US Citizens... but not a war against women.
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white men :shock:

as if you fight against native americans:lamo
 
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SheWolf said:
I think that this thread and many of the posters seem to be completely dismissing women and some barriers and personal struggles women currently face.
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And what barriers would that be? Women make the same money have the same jobs outside of combat arms in the military. You can go to the same schools for the same money etc. So what are these barriers??? A few sexist men out there? Because it certainly is not the law. How about those personal struggles? How are the struggles of anyone any worse than anyone else?

SheWolf said:
Have I felt personally offended because I have experienced sexism? Yes, I have. Sexism isn't dead. If any woman here can say she hasn't experienced it, either in some extreme, physically violent form or some lesser form of derogatory or insult, then you're a lucky one.
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I have felt racism, and racism is not dead. I don't think anyone in this thread said anything even close to sexism is no longer around. That is a gross exaggeration at beat.
SheWolf said:
I have seen too many men not respect women.

The blindness and dismissive tone in this thread is most aggravating thing to see.
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And I have seen many women who disrespect men as well, so what? It does not mean a hill of bean's because anecdotal evidence does not mean ****. It is to subjective to be proof of anything.

So again who is being dismissive?
 
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