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Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

Is there a War on Women?

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ThePlayDrive said:
Well, there is, if you take into account what people actually mean by "war" instead of focusing on the word.
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So war doesn't mean war anymore?

OK, got it. It all makes sense to me now.
 
Just so we are clear...there is a "war on women" because Men AND women are opposed to the wholesale slaughter of unborn children and because about a month ago the president decided to try to force certain religious groups to provide contraceptives and the religious groups said **** you...so...where exactly is this 'war on women'???
 
X Factor said:
What laws against "the sexual reproduction of women" are being designed? What does that even mean? Is the right now forcing birth control on women?
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No they're attempting to take it away. The male led womb patrol in their GOP jack boots.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
No they're attempting to take it away. The male led womb patrol in their GOP jack boots.
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Where do you come up with this stuff? If someone else doesn't pay for it, they're forcefully taking it away. Can't argue with that logic.:doh
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Eh, there's definitely a patriarchal attack on women's health issues including abortion and female contraception coming from the right. You could call that a "war on women", but I'd just, again, call it "a patriarchal attack on women's health issues including abortion and female contraception coming from the right."
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but "War on Women" is so much catchier. Just like the war on Christmas.
 
Why don't people understand that contraception prevents abortion?
 
Hare said:
Where do you come up with this stuff? If someone else doesn't pay for it, they're forcefully taking it away. Can't argue with that logic.:doh
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Who the hell said anything about paying for anything. With insurance people pay there copay or deductible and a person pays for insurance. You might want to read the post before you continue making asinine comments.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Who the hell said anything about paying for anything. With insurance people pay there copay or deductible and a person pays for insurance. You might want to read the post before you continue making asinine comments.
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Insurance companies are being forced to provide contraceptives free of charge. You know as well as I do that contraceptives are not free. The folks you are accusing of trying to "take away" birth control simply do not want insurance companies to be forced to provide services free of charge or object to contributing to such services through co-pays. No one is removing the ability to acquire contraceptives as you claimed earlier.
 
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Hare said:
Insurance companies are being forced to provide contraceptives free of charge. You know as well as I do that contraceptives are not free. The folks you are accusing of trying to "take away" birth control simply do not want insurance companies to be forced to provide services free of charge or object to contributing to such services through co-pays. No one is removing the ability to acquire contraceptives as you claimed earlier.
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Free? Isn't it the same rules as any other service insurance pays for?
 
VanceMack said:
Just so we are clear...there is a "war on women" because Men AND women are opposed to the wholesale slaughter of unborn children and because about a month ago the president decided to try to force certain religious groups to provide contraceptives and the religious groups said **** you...so...where exactly is this 'war on women'???
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Because the "prolife" movement accepted the Catholic agenda of declaring using birth control pills, patches and injections is the woman "murdering" fertilized eggs - thus women on birth control are MASS MURDERS of many children every year - thus denying women a reasonably reliable method of controlling whether or not she has children - and when. Instead, prolife demands that MEN have essentially total control via condoms - easily sabotaged with the woman knowing and known to fail.

To this, prolife sneers a married couple has to pick between having unwanted babies or never having sex - just also joining Catholic Vatican doctrine that all sex - except for procreation and in marriage is evil and sinful.

The target, always, of the Catholic church has been women to extremes and still is, with Republicans joining in the growing list of degradations and disempowering women - transferring all power to men.
 
joko104 said:
Because the "prolife" movement accepted the Catholic agenda of declaring using birth control pills, patches and injections is the woman "murdering" fertilized eggs - thus women on birth control are MASS MURDERS of many children every year - thus denying women a reasonably reliable method of controlling whether or not she has children - and when. Instead, prolife demands that MEN have essentially total control via condoms - easily sabotaged with the woman knowing and known to fail.

To this, prolife sneers a married couple has to pick between having unwanted babies or never having sex - just also joining Catholic Vatican doctrine that all sex - except for procreation and in marriage is evil and sinful.

The target, always, of the Catholic church has been women to extremes and still is, with Republicans joining in the growing list of degradations and disempowering women - transferring all power to men.
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So again...for the record...NOT a 'war on women"...ideological differences and a bunch of judgmental inteolerant pricks that cant respect peoples beliefs. I get it.
 
VanceMack said:
So again...for the record...NOT a 'war on women"...ideological differences and a bunch of judgmental inteolerant pricks that cant respect peoples beliefs. I get it.
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Ideological differences are fine... until someone codifies his/her own ideological difference into law, and forces it on everyone else.
 
DiAnna said:
Ideological differences are fine... until someone codifies his/her own ideological difference into law, and forces it on everyone else.
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Something both (all) sides are doing right now. However this 'war on women' is nothing more than ginned up political rhetoric.
 
I think it's funny and hyppocritical.

"Separation of church and state!!!!! Keep your God out of my bedroom/womb/pornograpy/schools etc."

Separation of church and state goes both ways. The state has no business legislating the morality of religious institutions and forcing them to go against their convictions. Keep the state out of churches/religious organizations. It's wrong for them to force them to cover birth control when their religious values prohibit it.
 
digsbe said:
I think it's funny and hyppocritical.

"Separation of church and state!!!!! Keep your God out of my bedroom/womb/pornograpy/schools etc."

Separation of church and state goes both ways. The state has no business legislating the morality of religious institutions and forcing them to go against their convictions. Keep the state out of churches/religious organizations. It's wrong for them to force them to cover birth control when their religious values prohibit it.
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Okay, okay, I'll make you a deal. Let's cut off ALL tax exemption statuses to churches who run businesses and play politics (and trust me, there are quite a few of them). We'll use the difference to pay for the birth control. Deal? :)
 
digsbe said:
I think it's funny and hyppocritical.

"Separation of church and state!!!!! Keep your God out of my bedroom/womb/pornograpy/schools etc."

Separation of church and state goes both ways. The state has no business legislating the morality of religious institutions and forcing them to go against their convictions. Keep the state out of churches/religious organizations. It's wrong for them to force them to cover birth control when their religious values prohibit it.
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Well then the Churches can stay out of the public sector if they don't want to play by the rules others do that participate in the PUBLIC sector.

Oh and BTW I am speaking as a Texan.
 
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winston53660 said:
Well then the Churches can stay out of the public sector if they don't want to play by the rules others do that participate in the PUBLIC sector.
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The churches and institutions can pick whatever healthcare packages they want for their employees. There should be no one forcing them (or insurance companies) to cover birth control. Personally, I think it's absurd to force birth control to be completely covered under insurances. It's not a medically necessary medication and our priorities are far out of whack with this.
Hatuey said:
Okay, okay, I'll make you a deal. Let's cut off ALL tax exemption statuses to churches who run businesses and play politics (and trust me, there are quite a few of them). We'll use the difference to pay for the birth control. Deal? :)
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Or, we can respect the Constitution and respect freedom of religion and let non-profits remain as non-profits.
 
digsbe said:
Or, we can respect the Constitution and respect freedom of religion and let non-profits remain as non-profits.
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There is nothing about non-profits in the constitutions or even taxation of churches. :lol: Want to try that again?
 
Hatuey said:
There is nothing about non-profits in the constitutions or even taxation of churches. :lol: Want to try that again?
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I'm talking about freedom of religion in regards to the Constitution. We allow legally for non-profits, which churches and religious charities are. Freedom of religion not only means that the church cannot run the state, but also that the state has no business being in the church and legislating morality just like the church legally can't.
 
digsbe said:
The churches and institutions can pick whatever healthcare packages they want for their employees. .
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Oh so the religious INSTITUTION can force their views on employees......Last I checked this nation was about individual rights not institutional rights.
 
digsbe said:
I'm talking about freedom of religion in regards to the Constitution.
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What about it? You're free to practice your religion. The minute you cross into politics, that's no longer religion. So as I said, churches that play politics? Tax them like any other business. We'll see how long they play politics after that.
 
winston53660 said:
Oh so the religious INSTITUTION can force their views on employees......Last I checked this nation was about individual rights not institutional rights.
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People chose their employer. Religious institutions can fire people based on their beliefs. A church can fire pastor for converting to Islam or another staff member that commits adultery. Individuals don't have the right to use government to force their beliefs upon churches. Many will argue in regards to SSM that the government can't force a church/mosque/synagogue from preforming a gay marriage because that's against their doctrine. Much the same way they shouldn't be forced to cover birth control when it goes against the beliefs of the institution. An individual has the right to buy their own insurance or chose another employer that will give them the benefits they want.

Hatuey said:
What about it? You're free to practice your religion. The minute you cross into politics, that's no longer religion. So as I said, churches that play politics? Tax them like any other business. We'll see how long they play politics after that.
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Religious people and churches have every right to exercise their beliefs and uphold their convictions. Call it playing politics, but a church that has a religious stance on abortion, homosexuality, porn, birth control etc. is fully protected to do so and within their rights.
 
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