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Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

Is there a War on Women?


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You know, there's a big part of me that says life begins at conception. Truthfully, I've yet to hear what's so magical about passing through a vagina that imparts life. If that were true, wouldn't my penis be alive?


LOL! What?

But the libertarian in my says it should be legal. It shouldn't be for government to make moral decisions for you.

Is it immoral to murder a 12 year old?
 
It's actually not.

So, a perfectly reasonable "medical procedure" performed un the unborn and the mother has nothing to do with physiology?
 
There's just the fact that the child is now an individual no longer within the realm of the woman's body and privacy.

A newborn still needs another human life to live.
 
That is ludicrous. Prove it or retract it.

I do not know many women within 10- or 10+ years of my age who did not know someone who died from an illegal abortion. I lost a 14 yr old friend to one. A female boss I once had lost 2 friends and one family member to illegal abortions.

I've now read the thread, and it went in the direction I hoped it would not: Abortion.

Pity. All chance of meaningful discussion about a topic that troubles me deeply went with it.

It is a pity and should discuss the real issues at hand. They run far deeper than abortion.
 
You know, there's a big part of me that says life begins at conception. Truthfully, I've yet to hear what's so magical about passing through a vagina that imparts life. If that were true, wouldn't my penis be alive?

But the libertarian in my says it should be legal. It shouldn't be for government to make moral decisions for you.

It doesn't have to be based on birth - it's not for me. . . it's based on multiple things but mainly: after it's established that the pregnancy is more than likely to continue naturally on it's own - in regard to 'when it's a person' arguements.

A majority of embryos don't make it to the fetal development stage - due ot nothing but mother nature itself. So conception or implantation seems like a poor starting point to me.

I do think it's interesting, though - that people will consider things based on heartbeat beginning (since heartbeat ending is the end of defined living, or so many people contend) - but no one consider breathing (which is what's really special about birth.) to be a starting point for 'personhood'

Birth is the process of the infant becoming physically disconnected from the mother's womb - the first of many steps the infant will make on it's way to growing up into a complete individual. Hence the notable act of cutting the umbillical cord to sever this physical connection. Something which my husband did - so gross, I know - but to a lot of people it means something. It is the first change in environment the infant will ever realize - having developed in one environment there is a bombardment on the senses - gravity, air, touch, sight, smell, and soon it will begin the art of consumption to stay alive rather than living passively without effort as it had done for many months before.

For me: it was when I considered my children to be children - they were reality at that point. Before birth: they were just sensations and difficulties (since all of my pregnancies were high-risk)
 
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Better that they die for murdering their unborn babies. Its to expensive to incarcerate the murdering bitches for their evil deed.
You're just being hostile. You make judgments against everyone that doesn't see the world through your rose colored glasses.
 
War on women may be extreme....but what right do we as men have in requiring them to get a vaginal probe to check if they are eligible for an abortion?
When would this invasion come into a man's medical treatment. Of course this is degrading and an assault on a woman's privacy.
 
A newborn still needs another human life to live.

Wait...can this be possible?? You mean there are WOMEN that might be opposed to slaughtering unborn children??? Well THAT certainly puts an interesting spin on things!
 
Sure, but it's an individual no longer within the realm of a woman's body and privacy.

So it's not really about "is the fetus life?" but about the location of the life.

Are you a supporter of late-term abortions as well since the child is still "within the realm of the woman's body and privacy"?
 
When would this invasion come into a man's medical treatment.

When it's medically feasible for a man to carry another human life inside of him.
 
You probably really make her feel good about herself as well and were there when she needed you most. I hope.

I was there for her and always will be. She is my daughter, I love her much. She understands my position on the subject of abortion and she has come around. Even if she did not I would still love her unconditionally.
 
You're just being hostile. You make judgments against everyone that doesn't see the world through your rose colored glasses.

I do not see things through rose color glasses. I see things in black and white, right and wrong, good and evil. Im not judging anyone that I leave up to god.
 
So it's not really about "is the fetus life?" but about the location of the life.
Yeah. I, personally, have never argued that a fetus isn't life.

Are you a supporter of late-term abortions as well since the child is still "within the realm of the woman's body and privacy"?
I don't "support them". I think they should be legal.
 
Yes, you hate the military. The military is made up of people. You hate those people.
i don't recall saying that. You have taken liberties to twist what I said. To dislike the military is not to dislike those or ridicule their choice to join. I dislike the military industrial complex that rules and spends more money than any other part of government. I detest the wars that are going on and if Iraq is really over the one that just ended. The people involved I hope they are safe and survive the tragedy that war is. Please don't make up fictitious statements for what I have typed.
 
Yeah. I, personally, have never argued that a fetus isn't life.


I don't "support them". I think they should be legal.

Is there any other location where you would support a law allowing the elimination of that life?
 
Yes, there is.

Any woman who says there isn't isn't worthy of her uterus or the women who came before her.
 
has it been birthed?

No, the child is still in the womb. Are you saying that the child magically becomes human life when he/she emerges from the vagina?
 
Yes, there is.

Any woman who says there isn't isn't worthy of her uterus or the women who came before her.

What? LOL!
 
Is there any other location where you would support a law allowing the elimination of that life?
I don't know where else "that life" could be if we're talking about unborn children. If we're talking about what happens when the kid is born, then I'm fine with self-defense laws that allow people to kill them when they attack others and I'm fine with euthansia laws that allow doctors and parents to take the life of newborns who aren't going to live much longer but are in a lot of pain.
 
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