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Is it time to cut and run from Afghanistan?

Is it time to cut and run from Afghanistan?

  • Yes, as quickly as possible

    Votes: 28 87.5%

  • No, we should stay and continue the mission.

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • Total voters
    32
Catawba said:
You just contradicted yourself here and in your other post. What makes you think the Iraq Vets are a schill group?
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Note the capitalization. the IVAW group, or at least the big one is a soros schill group. why are they so quiet today?



Do you understand that a majority of Iraq vets feel the war wasn't worth it?
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Funny, most of the veterans, and active service members I deal with, including through the wounded warrior foundation, disagree with you. but hey, if you want to just throw out unsubstantiated claims be my guest.
 
JasonI said:
Yes, that is the point of a poll...to find out what people think...hear all sides and what their views are...is that too hard for you to comprehend?...why is it no one else had an issue with it?...why is it so hard for you to just post your opinion and move on or better yet, if you don't want to add anything, just move on to another thread...your staling is getting to be a bit much...
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So, what is your opinion, should we withdraw from A-stan because of the recent massacre?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Thank you for your deep and intellectual analysis of the Afghanistan war and exit strategy, your contribution is pure gold. :thumbs:
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You asked me if we should leave or not...I answered you...move on already!!!!

I'll ask you one more time...ignore my posts...this petty bickering with you is getting so old...
 
JasonI said:
You asked me if we should leave or not...I answered you...move on already!!!!

I'll ask you one more time...ignore my posts...this petty bickering with you is getting so old...
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Public forum, I answer whatever I want. Thanks for your concern though. Your answer really doesn't explain anything. For example, I think too our job is long overdue for being done, We should have withdrawn right after Bin Laden was killed, that was a perfect opportunity for us to proclaim "mission accomplished", and egressed the theater for good. That being said, I feel the administration is afraid of the view that they don't have the stones to carry out the mission and instead of thinking of the welfare of the troops, are instead, more concerned with re-election. Given this concern, we seem to be dithering in Afghanistan, sitting there providing security and training to people who no longer wish to have it, causing stress for both our troops, and the civillian populace in afghanistan.

We where out our welcome and they'll revert to the taliban. It is a grave mistake remaining there.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Note the capitalization. the IVAW group, or at least the big one is a soros schill group. why are they so quiet today?
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More Fox News drivel that you cannot substantiate. And you are asking why the Iraq Veterans Against the War have been less active since the Obama ended the Iraq War? I bet if you think about it long enough, you can figure that out all by yourself. But if you still can't, come back and I will explain it to you.






Funny, most of the veterans, and active service members I deal with, including through the wounded warrior foundation, disagree with you. but hey, if you want to just throw out unsubstantiated claims be my guest.
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Its not an unsubstantiated claim:

"In a new Pew Research Center report on war and sacrifice, half of post-9/11 veterans said the Afghanistan war has been worth fighting. Only 44% felt that way about Iraq, and one-third said both wars were worth the costs."
Survey: Veterans say Afghanistan, Iraq wars not worth it - CNN.com
 
Catawba said:
More Fox News drivel that you cannot substantiate. And you are asking why the Iraq Veterans Against the War have been less active since the Obama ended the Iraq War? I bet if you think about it long enough, you can figure that out all by yourself. But if you still can't, come back and I will explain it to you.
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They became less active the day he took office. I don't watch fox news, chief, you have a little foam at the corner of your mouth there.



Its not an unsubstantiated claim:

"In a new Pew Research Center report on war and sacrifice, half of post-9/11 veterans said the Afghanistan war has been worth fighting. Only 44% felt that way about Iraq, and one-third said both wars were worth the costs."
Survey: Veterans say Afghanistan, Iraq wars not worth it - CNN.com
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I love when people take single polls that agree with thier ideologue ways and post them as the be all end all truth. :shrug: When one is war weary as this nation is, you should expect some of this sentiment, however, you wait ten years and have pew ask them again.


I usually don't put much stock in polls unless I take an average of several. :shrug:
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
[...] I think too our job is long overdue for being done, We should have withdrawn right after Bin Laden was killed, that was a perfect opportunity for us to proclaim "mission accomplished", and egressed the theater for good. [...]
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It only took a few (3?4?) months for that to start happening. Do you really expect the Pentagon to act faster than that considering the situation?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
They became less active the day he took office. I don't watch fox news, chief, you have a little foam at the corner of your mouth there.
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I think you've made your disdain of the Iraq Veterans Against the War clear enough.





I love when people take single polls that agree with thier ideologue ways and post them as the be all end all truth. :shrug: When one is war weary as this nation is, you should expect some of this sentiment, however, you wait ten years and have pew ask them again.


I usually don't put much stock in polls unless I take an average of several. :shrug:
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The Pew Research Center is one of the most respected polling organizations, and all we have to dispute them is your unsubstantiated opinion. Shrugging your shoulders really doesn't make up for that fact, though you may think it does.
 
Catawba said:
I think you've made your disdain of the Iraq Veterans Against the War clear enough.
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are you a veteran?





The Pew Research Center is one of the most respected polling organizations, and all we have to dispute them is your unsubstantiated opinion. Shrugging your shoulders really doesn't make up for that fact, though you may think it does.
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maybe they are, but the pragmatic amongst us would take a sampling of multiple polls. :shrug:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
are you a veteran?
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Not a veteran no, but I did provide two years service to my country for only room and board and a $15 a month stipend the first year and a $20 a month stipend for my second year. My Grandfather was in the Calvary in WW I, my Dad was a tank Commander in WW II, my brother was on the USS Coral Sea in Vietnam, and my son has been in the Air Force 20 years (in August) and has served 4 tours of duty in the Persian Gulf.


Why do you ask?








maybe they are, but the pragmatic amongst us would take a sampling of multiple polls. :shrug:
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Well don't just sit there and shrug if you have a poll as credible as the one by the Pew Research Center, post it on up to prove your claim.

Otherwise................... you have nothing but your opinion.
 
Catawba said:
Not a veteran no, but I did provide two years service to my country for only room and board and a $15 a month stipend the first year and a $20 a month stipend for my second year. My Grandfather was in the Calvary in WW I, my Dad was a tank Commander in WW II, my brother was on the USS Coral Sea in Vietnam, and my son has been in the Air Force 20 years (in August) and has served 4 tours of duty in the Persian Gulf.


Why do you ask?
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I just like to know who thinks they speak for me. :shrug:



Well don't just sit there and shrug if you have a poll as credible as the one by the Pew Research Center, post it on up to prove your claim.

Otherwise................... you have nothing but your opinion.
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and the opinions of my brothers and sisters at the VFW, the AL, the WWP, and other places. Please forgive me when I don't take stock in a single poll and and ideologue trumping it. Like I said, we are war weary, a poll like that is unsuprising, if not seeking an answer when it polls, It's taking advantage of human emotion.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I just like to know who thinks they speak for me. :shrug:


and the opinions of my brothers and sisters at the VFW, the AL, the WWP, and other places. Please forgive me when I don't take stock in a single poll and and ideologue trumping it. Like I said, we are war weary, a poll like that is unsuprising, if not seeking an answer when it polls, It's taking advantage of human emotion.
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Just as I thought, as usual you can post up nothing to back up your claim. It took long enough to get you to admit it.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Cut and run no, get out yes. I don't want to see a repeat of Nam, troops being shot at as they leave, people hanging from overloaded choppers and air craft being dumped over board to make room for more, not to mention military equipment being left behind.
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In order to "get out" now, we must cut.
It was a mistake 10 years ago, and its a mistake now....
Hopefully , this time, we can learn.
I remember Vietnam.......and now Afghanistan.... ..what next.........Iran
 
Catawba said:
Just as I thought, as usual you can post up nothing to back up your claim. It took long enough to get you to admit it.
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What claim? that most of the veterans I speak to, think these wars were worth it? What would you like me to do? video interviews? like I said, you have an agenda, and you are all to happy to lay 100% faith in a poll that favors your bias. I on the otherhand opined thier was more to your poll as the country is war weary, and that poll, possibly represents that more than your gleeful smug satisfaction of your anti-war bias.

It's cool though, you wouldn't understand us.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Thank you for your deep and intellectual analysis of the Afghanistan war and exit strategy, your contribution is pure gold. :thumbs:
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And I agree with Jason..
So, "Hellbound", you "think" the mission is over and completed as OBL is dead ???
Well, I say it is not, as ignorance and fear rule the Islamic world....and that terrorism will ensue.... despite our best efforts to prevent it..
And, our "preventers" have been doing a fantastic job of this, prevention.
Its our job not to "fix" the hopelessly backward Islamic nations, but to improve our own nation, to deter it from slipping into a third world nation....with its very rich and very poor..
 
earthworm said:
And I agree with Jason..
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What do you agree with? He really doesn't say much.

So, "Hellbound", you "think" the mission is over and completed as OBL is dead ???
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As over as it's going to get, Why do you find it neccessary to call me "hellbound"? Do you find the name calling a proper mask for a lack of intellectual contribution? Given it's lack of creativity, i guess you can only hope. :pimpdaddy:


Well, I say it is not, as ignorance and fear rule the Islamic world....and that terrorism will ensue.... despite our best efforts to prevent it..
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On this I agree, I would have taken a different route in hunting down the 911 terrorist, it wouldn't have been as pc. :shrug:

And, our "preventers" have been doing a fantastic job of this, prevention.
Its our job not to "fix" the hopelessly backward Islamic nations, but to improve our own nation, to deter it from slipping into a third world nation....with its very rich and very poor..
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I agree right up until your class envy statement.... :shrug:
 
earthworm said:
In order to "get out" now, we must cut.
It was a mistake 10 years ago, and its a mistake now....
Hopefully , this time, we can learn.
I remember Vietnam.......and now Afghanistan.... ..what next.........Iran
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We have not been very good at learning from our mistakes, have we?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Oh that claim?


Tell me where did alex bacon serve again?


Game, set, match. :pimpdaddy:
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He was enlisted in the Coast Guard back in 2001 and was discharged in 2003 after going AWOL.

Tell me "pimpdaddy" (as you refer to yourself above) how does that prove your claim that "the IVAW group, or at least the big one is a soros schill group"???
 
Catawba said:
We have not been very good at learning from our mistakes, have we?
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No we haven't.

We left Vietnam and the commies took over.

Who will take over Iraq after we leave? Who will take over Afghanistan if we leave?
 
Catawba said:
He was enlisted in the Coast Guard back in 2001 and was discharged in 2003 after going AWOL.

Tell me "pimpdaddy" (as you refer to yourself above) how does that prove your claim that "the IVAW group, or at least the big one is a soros schill group"???
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So the leader of ivaw, is not only not an Iraq war veteran, but a dishonorable puke who couldn't cut it in the freaking coast guard.....

And I bet you were one of folks who went after Bush's service too weren't you.


Btw how big is ivaw and what percentage are actual combat Iraq war veterans?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
And I bet you were one of folks who went after Bush's service too weren't you.
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Shrub's "service" was typical for Silver Spoons of the time. He was far from the only one - IF you had the money and/or connections to swing it. If you were Joe Average you prayed when they announced the next birth date(s) that it wouldn't be yours.

Bush on the other hand was a great officer as I understand it and did a good, though short-lived, job at CIA, too.



I also disagreed with the War in Iraq II and for the same reasons we didn't finish that filthy place off in 1991 - there was no good exit strategy. Bush knew this and declined to get us into a decade long war. I suppose Shrub had something to prove to Daddy but only managed to make a fool of himself. Had we stayed focused on Afghanistan (a war I do support) we would have completed the mission and been out of there years ago with far fewer casualties. Iraq was a mistake, Afghanistan was a requirement.
 
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