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Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

Are Homosexuals oppressed in America?

  • Yes, homosexuals are oppressed in America.

    Votes: 44 69.8%

  • No, homosexuals are not oppressed in America

    Votes: 19 30.2%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    63
CriticalThought said:
There is this new thing called "google". Have you heard of it?
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There's an old thing called "civility." You've demonstrated that you're unfamiliar with the concept. :2wave:
 
JohnWOlin said:
Let me just say this, I am not using semantics, the rest of you that believe there is some kind of hardcore gay oppression are.
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Believe? Well the evidence is all around you.

2008 - the LDS church funneled money into the state of California to pay for misleading and bigoted ads supporting prop 8. The point was to strip same-sex couples of rights and standing by misusing the California ballot measure system. They systematically oppressed a minority group. How much more hardcore can you get?

Try to understand this one basic concept -- when a state tells gays they can not get married or can not adopt, they are labeling them 'less than equal'. The state is empowering citizens to view homosexual as less-than-equal. Businesses, employers, landlords, bankers/lenders--people we deal with that have the power to withhold something or pass us over, they are told by the state that this one group, homosexuals, are not equal. This is oppression.

Our modern understanding is that homosexuality is a hard-wired personality trait and that homosexual couples are uniquely qualified to be unconditionally loving parents to adopted children. -- this is more than just my experience and observation, this is what ALL leading researchers in sociology, psychology, pediatrics and other related medical research fields say.

Children of gay couples tend to grow up with a higher emotional maturity and sense of self (thick skinned). So, in that one respect (teaching emotional maturity) homosexuals are better qualified than heterosexual couples to raise children.
In all other parenting aspects, they are equal to heterosexual parents.

Well, they probably have a better sense of style as well. My kids always get the best clothes from my brother-in-law who is gay... and Catholic. Imagine that?
 
Wake said:
Marriage can be redefined, though personaly I don't think it should; it should be up to the people to decide, state by state, what they want to do, imho.
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Why are you still playing that intellectually dishonest game of pretending that same sex marriage "redefines" the institution of marriage?
 
CriticalThought said:
Why are you still playing that intellectually dishonest game of pretending that same sex marriage "redefines" the institution of marriage?
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Because marriage has typically been between one man and one woman.

Will I stop gay marriage? No, but neither do I support it.

Leave it up to the individual states to decide.
 
Apparently, some folks feel that they are oppressed, because they can't oppress homosexuals enough.

funny how that works huh?
 
nota bene said:
There's an old thing called "civility." You've demonstrated that you're unfamiliar with the concept. :2wave:
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Wake was the individual who broke from civility in this thread when he suggested that same sex marriage "redefines" the institution of marriage. As long as he chooses to use rhetoric that was crafted maliciously and specifically with the purpose of inspiring fear and to propagandize same sex marriage as a threat to the marriages of heterosexuals, I cannot accept that there is any willingness to be "civil" in this thread from him or any of his supporters.
 
CriticalThought said:
Wake was the individual who broke from civility in this thread when he suggested that same sex marriage "redefines" the institution of marriage. As long as he chooses to use rhetoric that was crafted maliciously and specifically with the purpose of inspiring fear and to propagandize same sex marriage as a threat to the marriages of heterosexuals, I cannot accept that there is any willingness to be "civil" in this thread from him or any of his supporters.
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Tbh, I don't see how it's uncivil to voice an opposing viewpoint.

Am I allowed to have a differing pov?

I suppose in order to be civil I must accept your view.

One can be civil, and have a different view on SSM.
 
Wake said:
Because marriage has typically been between one man and one woman.

Will I stop gay marriage? No, but neither do I support it.

Leave it up to the individual states to decide.
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It is intellectually dishonest to say that same sex marriage "redefines" marriage. Same sex marriage does nothing to change marriage or affect heterosexual unions so it does not redefine marriage, it only adds to the definition. When you thoughtlessly use such blatantly dishonest rhetoric, you shut down people's willingness to discuss this issue with you in a civil manner.

As long as you choose to use rhetoric that was crafted maliciously and specifically with the purpose of inspiring fear and to propagandize same sex marriage as a threat to the marriages of heterosexuals, I cannot accept that there is any willingness on your part to be civil here or in any other related thread. You can take that message right back to the pollsters for the National Organization of Marriage you parrot who spent tons of money carefully choosing the word "redefine" specifically because of the emotional reaction it would inspire in the masses.
 
CriticalThought said:
It is intellectually dishonest to say that same sex marriage "redefines" marriage. Same sex marriage does nothing to change marriage or affect heterosexual unions so it does not redefine marriage, it only adds to the definition. When you thoughtlessly use such blatantly dishonest rhetoric, you shut down people's willingness to discuss this issue with you in a civil manner....
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I'm sure lots of racists argued that allowing inter-racial marriage "re-defines" marriage too.

many probably still do.
 
Wake said:
Because marriage has typically been between one man and one woman.
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No. Not really.

According to biblical tradition a man could have as many wives, sex slaves and servants as he could afford.

The far-right same-sex view of marriage is relatively new. Marriage has had a long history which includes same-sex unions, arranged marriages, dowries, self-marriages, and child brides.

Besides, appeal to tradition is a logical fallacy.
 
Thunder said:
I'm sure lots of racists argued that allowing inter-racial marriage "re-defines" marriage too.

many probably still do.
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The following is a quote from the trial court judge that initially heard what would become the seminal anti-miscegenation case Loving v Virginia (the trial court decision was overturned by SCOTUS, which found the Virginia anti-miscegenation law unconstitutional):

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."

'nuff said.
 
Wake said:
Am I allowed to have a differing pov?
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Yes, just don't make laws that violate the constitution.

Bigotry and homophobia are frowned upon here in the United State, but sill legal as long as you don't act out on your POV. (for now)
 
Wake said:
Currently, do you think homosexuals are oppressed in America?


Google
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depends where you are

in some parts of the south, rural midwest, bible belt yes

Hollywood, DC, big east coast and left coast cities, Ivy and other expensive universities no

in fact GUG was a popular charade when I was in college among lots of the women-Gay until graduation. Its so funny going to reunions and running into "former" lesbians who have a husband and a few kids.
 
CriticalThought said:
It is intellectually dishonest to say that same sex marriage "redefines" marriage. Same sex marriage does nothing to change marriage or affect heterosexual unions so it does not redefine marriage, it only adds to the definition. When you thoughtlessly use such blatantly dishonest rhetoric, you shut down people's willingness to discuss this issue with you in a civil manner.

As long as you choose to use rhetoric that was crafted maliciously and specifically with the purpose of inspiring fear and to propagandize same sex marriage as a threat to the marriages of heterosexuals, I cannot accept that there is any willingness on your part to be civil here or in any other related thread. You can take that message right back to the pollsters for the National Organization of Marriage you parrot who spent tons of money carefully choosing the word "redefine" specifically because of the emotional reaction it would inspire in the masses.
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Well, I feel SSM does redefine marriage, because for hundreds if not thousands of years it's been between one man and one woman. I may not oppose SSM, but I'll not abandon my views because you feel slighted.

Actually, CT, I've never heard of the Nat'l Organization of Marriage. Nothing's been parroted, friend.

I do feel SSM redefines the concept of marriage, and I don't think it's uncivil to hold that view. Is it uncivil to choose a certain pov on the abortion issue?
 
TurtleDude said:
depends where you are

in some parts of the south, rural midwest, bible belt yes

Hollywood, DC, big east coast and left coast cities, Ivy and other expensive universities no

in fact GUG was a popular charade when I was in college among lots of the women-Gay until graduation. Its so funny going to reunions and running into "former" lesbians who have a husband and a few kids.
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I knew a couple of girls in college who claimed that they were "experimenting with their sexuality." My thinking at the time was, "good for you... can I join in?"
 
Wake said:
Currently, do you think homosexuals are oppressed in America?


Google
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Just what is your obsession with gays, Wake? Why on earth do you feel the need to start yet another thread so similar to all the rest?
 
Andalublue said:
Just what is your obsession with gays, Wake? Why on earth do you feel the need to start yet another thread so similar to all the rest?
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Anda, please don't passively insinuate. I don't do it to you and I'd appreciate the same in return.

You may as well ask why any member starts issues relating to a certain topic.
 
Aderleth said:
I knew a couple of girls in college who claimed that they were "experimenting with their sexuality." My thinking at the time was, "good for you... can I join in?"
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true story-one of my friends was a quiet studious Jewish guy who was pretty good looking and whose whole goal in college was getting into a top medical school. Some fairly cute but pushy Long Island princess was totally smitten with him and was always after him. So he asked a few of his closest friends to let her know he "was gay" which we passed on to her with subtle inferences and conversations among ourselves that we made sure she could sort of eavesdrop on. well it worked. 15 years later, at our reunion, David was there with his really cute wife (also a doctor) and a couple kids and the princess showed up. She said to a few of us she was stunned-she figured he really was gay since he didn't bed her UNLIKE ALL THE OTHER GUYS AND GIRLS who just pretended to be gay because they thought it would make them "Cool"
 
Andalublue said:
Just what is your obsession with gays, Wake? Why on earth do you feel the need to start yet another thread so similar to all the rest?
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Maybe he is "bi-curious" :mrgreen:
 
Thunder said:
and of course, there is nothing wrong with that.
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You can tell I used to kill time by reading the "personals" in the village voice. SOme of the ads and codes were hilarious.
 
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