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Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

Are Homosexuals oppressed in America?

  • Yes, homosexuals are oppressed in America.

    Votes: 44 69.8%

  • No, homosexuals are not oppressed in America

    Votes: 19 30.2%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    63
Jerry said:
What I said is based on my first-hand expereince witnessing what true oppression is.
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True oppression LOL you might want to look up true oppression and look at the history of the gays around the world. True oppression is what?
 
Wake said:
Also, it must be said that merely believing homosexuality is a sin, according to Traditional Christianity, is not oppression.
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Well of course... Christians only thought it was oppression when Romans were making them fight against lions in coliseums. They didn't think burning people at the stake was oppression. They also had little problem with colonialism, women being second class citizens and the treatment of non-Christians in Europe. In those cases it wasn't oppression either. :roll:
 
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StillBallin75 said:
"True oppression" isn't simply whatever you say it is :shrug:
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Jerry obviously hasn't read history and seen that Jews and gays were treated the same by the Nazi's. i only say this because I'm thinking Jerry thinks this is the only true oppression. He has never lost a job because he's gay either of been denied a rental apartment in the US. So He really doesn't know what true oppression is. He's only guessing.
 
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katiegrrl0 said:
True oppression LOL you might want to look up true oppression and look at the history of the gays around the world. True oppression is what?
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That's exactly correct. Gays in Iran are executed. Gays in america...can't file taxes together. Aww, must suck having all those first-world problems.
 
Wake said:
Currently, do you think homosexuals are oppressed in America?


Google
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By your own definition:
oppressed
Verb:
1.Keep (someone) in subservience and hardship, esp. by the unjust exercise of authority.
2.Cause (someone) to feel distressed, anxious, or uncomfortable: "he was oppressed by worry".
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yes, homosexuals are oppressed in the US
 
Jerry said:
That's exactly correct. Gays in Iran are executed. Gays in america...can't file taxes together. Aww, must suck having all those first-world problems.
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I see what you're doing here. Subjective definitions of oppression? Hmmmmmm. I didn't take you to be the subjective kind Jerry. ;)
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Jerry obviously hasn't read history and seen that Jews and gays were treated the same by the Nazi's. i only say this because I'm thinking Jerry thinks this is the only true oppression. He has never lost a job because he's gay either of been denied a rental apartment in the US. So He really doesn't know what true oppression is. He's only guessing.
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Lost a job. That's your example. Loosing a job.

An Afghan soldier was beaten to death by his commanding officer for admitting to being homosexual, and this is accepted practice by the Afghan army and Afghanistan in general. That's oppression. Loosing a job is a mere civil lawsuit.
 
Ockham said:
Whether a referendum happens via public vote, assembly or congress... it still occurs. If there's enough of an issue with either interracial or interfaith marriage... that's what happens. So far neither of those issues have required such a thing, and I don't expect they will in the future.
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Actually, interracial marriage was made unconstitutional in many states a long time ago. They had a majority vote that decided that interracial marriage should not be legal. The SCOTUS determined in 1968 that they were wrong and such a vote of the majority was against the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution and all such laws and state constitutional amendments were deemed unenforceable and eventually repealed (Alabama just changed its constitution in the last 15 years or less).

If a state made interfaith marriages illegal by popular vote, they would immediately be challenged and the first thing any judge worth his salt would do would be to ensure that an injunction be put in place to prevent the law from being enforced since it is clearly a violation of rights.
 
Jerry said:
That's exactly correct. Gays in Iran are executed. Gays in america...can't file taxes together. Aww, must suck having all those first-world problems.
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Just because someone else has it worse doesnt mean that gays arnt in some way shape or for oppressed in America.
 
Jerry said:
Lost a job. That's your example. Loosing a job.

An Afghan soldier was beaten to death by his commanding officer for admitting to being homosexual, and this is accepted practice by the Afghan army and Afghanistan in general. That's oppression. Loosing a job is a mere civil lawsuit.
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You have a very warped opinion of what oppression is. Yes losing jobs is oppression. You want to compare everything to the most heinous idea you can muster up. Oppression is oppression no matter what degree. Anecdote: The gay woman who raised me from the time I was a5 walked with double canes most of her adult life because she was beaten by police in the US. Both her legs were broken and she sat in a holding cell for three days while her legs became infected. But gays aren't oppressed. Think again.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Jerry obviously hasn't read history and seen that Jews and gays were treated the same by the Nazi's. i only say this because I'm thinking Jerry thinks this is the only true oppression. He has never lost a job because he's gay either of been denied a rental apartment in the US. So He really doesn't know what true oppression is. He's only guessing.
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Are you trying to compare how it is with people who happen to be gay in the United States in 2012 with how gays were treated by the Nazis?

And have you been denied a job or an apartment because you're gay? Really? How would you know? Could you "just tell," or did the potential employer or landlord make derogatory looks? If so, I hope you snitched to the EEOC. Did you?
 
In America certainly not. They may be denied certain freedoms to a degree, but no I do not believe so. In other parts of the world however, specifically parts of Africa they are indeed oppressed.

When a gay couple at work can talk about gay sex and laugh about it, where people can hear (I'm like 5 tables down) in a Kentucky work place and no one gets up and yells at them or beats them or anything, then yeah I would say they got it about as good as anyone else.
 
JohnWOlin said:
In America certainly not. They may be denied certain freedoms to a degree, but no I do not believe so. In other parts of the world however, specifically parts of Africa they are indeed oppressed.

When a gay couple at work can talk about gay sex and laugh about it, where people can hear (I'm like 5 tables down) in a Kentucky work place and no one gets up and yells at them or beats them or anything, then yeah I would say they got it about as good as anyone else.
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Not quite. There are definitely places in the US where a gay person could not do what you just described at work without the very reaction you described happening. And they certainly do not have it as good as almost any heterosexual who ever thought of getting married, since they are still fighting for full and complete recognition of marriage for them to the person they actually would like to be married to. Some have been hoping and praying to have that right for generations, and younger gay men and women still have to just wait and hope that equality comes before they too die without seeing it.
 
nota bene said:
Are you trying to compare how it is with people who happen to be gay in the United States in 2012 with how gays were treated by the Nazis?

And have you been denied a job or an apartment because you're gay? Really? How would you know? Could you "just tell," or did the potential employer or landlord make derogatory looks? If so, I hope you snitched to the EEOC. Did you?
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Absolutely not trying to compare. How do I know? Well, my partner and I went to rent an apartment in Chicago and decided to take it. I wrote a check for first and last and the deposit to the landlord. He would not take it and said he was showing the apartment to someone else first. He rented to them. A couple of days later we went through the same thing at a different building. Two days later a single friend of mine went to the same unit and rented that very same apartment for $10 less a month. The landlord told him no one had made an offer on the unit yet and since he was giving him cash could have it for the ten dollars off. Yes there is discrimination and it still occurs today.
 
roguenuke said:
Not quite. There are definitely places in the US where a gay person could not do what you just described at work without the very reaction you described happening. And they certainly do not have it as good as almost any heterosexual who ever thought of getting married, since they are still fighting for full and complete recognition of marriage for them to the person they actually would like to be married to. Some have been hoping and praying to have that right for generations, and younger gay men and women still have to just wait and hope that equality comes before they too die without seeing it.
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Exactly where are the places in the U.S. where a gay person can't laugh at lunch about gay sex? Where?

I want to know where all these abuses are allegedly occurring and also what has been done about them.

In the meantime, if your entire definition of "oppression" is that the ongoing debate about SSM has not been resolved to your satisfaction, that's another issue.
 
roguenuke said:
Not quite. There are definitely places in the US where a gay person could not do what you just described at work without the very reaction you described happening. And they certainly do not have it as good as almost any heterosexual who ever thought of getting married, since they are still fighting for full and complete recognition of marriage for them to the person they actually would like to be married to. Some have been hoping and praying to have that right for generations, and younger gay men and women still have to just wait and hope that equality comes before they too die without seeing it.
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I'm with nota on this. I want to know where these places are. Now, there is a difference between straight people talking amongst themselves how much it pisses them off and someone actually doing anything about it. I have a gay brother, a gay neighbor, my wifes uncle is gay, I've had about 5 gay friends in my life and while some of them can talk about being made fun of at some point, none of them can say they have ever been kept from doing certain things or held back due to being gay. You would be surprised most gay people, like straight people don't go around making a deal about it and that isn't what defines them. Like most normal people what defines them is their actions as a human being, and what they accomplish in life.
 
nota bene said:
Exactly where are the places in the U.S. where a gay person can't laugh at lunch about gay sex? Where?

I want to know where all these abuses are allegedly occurring and also what has been done about them.

In the meantime, if your entire definition of "oppression" is that the ongoing debate about SSM has not been resolved to your satisfaction, that's another issue.
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Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, etc.
 
nota bene said:
Exactly where are the places in the U.S. where a gay person can't laugh at lunch about gay sex? Where?

I want to know where all these abuses are allegedly occurring and also what has been done about them.

In the meantime, if your entire definition of "oppression" is that the ongoing debate about SSM has not been resolved to your satisfaction, that's another issue.
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Really? You couldn't just look...
http://www.avp.org/documents/NCAVPHateViolenceReport2011Finaledjlfinaledits.pdf (79 pages of explanation)
Hate Crimes Against LGBTQ Americans Increased In 2010, Report Shows


As for those suggesting people go to the EEOC, there is only Federal employment protection based on sexual orientation. Some states / municipalities have laws regarding employment and renting property, but most do not. --you know, I think I am starting to hear myself repeating myself again.

Edit: I disagree with the "Hate Crime" terminology and "Hate Crime" legislation because if you kill someone why does it matter why... just so you know I am not preaching about "Hate Crimes". I used the above report because you wanted examples.
 
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JohnWOlin said:
I'm with nota on this. I want to know where these places are. Now, there is a difference between straight people talking amongst themselves how much it pisses them off and someone actually doing anything about it. I have a gay brother, a gay neighbor, my wifes uncle is gay, I've had about 5 gay friends in my life and while some of them can talk about being made fun of at some point, none of them can say they have ever been kept from doing certain things or held back due to being gay. You would be surprised most gay people, like straight people don't go around making a deal about it and that isn't what defines them. Like most normal people what defines them is their actions as a human being, and what they accomplish in life.
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Exactly. Their being gay isn't their raison d'etre.
 
nota bene said:
Exactly where are the places in the U.S. where a gay person can't laugh at lunch about gay sex? Where?

I want to know where all these abuses are allegedly occurring and also what has been done about them.

In the meantime, if your entire definition of "oppression" is that the ongoing debate about SSM has not been resolved to your satisfaction, that's another issue.
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No, I'm going by the definitions of oppression in the OP. By those definitions, homosexuals are being oppressed.

And here is an example of someone having the crap beat out of them for just being gay, not even talking about having sex with a same sex partner.

Bully's Brutal Assault of Gay Ohio High School Student Caught on Camera: VIDEO |Gay News|Gay Blog Towleroad

And people never get attacked for being gay here in the US, right?

History of violence against LGBT people in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you really think that if there is an atmosphere at the work that even suggests that talking about being gay would get someone fired, let alone beat and killed, that a gay person would do such a thing? There are definitely people who have been fired for being gay. I don't doubt that there are places where some gay people work where they most certainly fear that they might be in danger if they started revealing intimate details of their sex life. Some may feel that way for just revealing that they are gay.
 
taxigirl said:
Really? You couldn't just look...
http://www.avp.org/documents/NCAVPHateViolenceReport2011Finaledjlfinaledits.pdf (79 pages of explanation)
Hate Crimes Against LGBTQ Americans Increased In 2010, Report Shows


As for those suggesting people go to the EEOC, there is only Federal employment protection based on sexual orientation. Some states / municipalities have laws regarding employment and renting property, but most do not. --you know, I think I am starting to hear myself repeating myself again.

Edit: I disagree with the "Hate Crime" terminology and "Hate Crime" legislation because if you kill someone why does it matter why... just so you know I am not preaching about "Hate Crimes". I used the above report because you wanted examples.
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Ok so just a quick thought, after reading your article I feel like I am oppressed now. I went on Vine St. down Over the Rhine in Cincinnati, OH one time, was in the area went to Kroger, came out a bunch of black guys started heckling me, proceeded to jump me, then beat the **** out of me and took the $20 in my wallet. So yeah I am oppressed now. Thanks for clearing up the definition of oppression, since that isn't what is happening to me every day of my life like this article...
 
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