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Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

Are Homosexuals oppressed in America?

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Currently, do you think homosexuals are oppressed in America?


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Oppressed is arguably pushing it. They are certainly discriminated against, and are one of the last few classes of people that the Constitution allows to be discriminated against. For instance, there is no federal/constitutional provision that prevents employers from dismissing an employee because of his sexual orientation. About half the states currently have such laws. The rest do not.
 
Why did you make this thread? You failed to hear any of the valid points most of the posters have made. You have stuck to your very simplistic view in framing the OP. If these people aren't being tortured and gassed in chambers they are not oppressed in your view. You have not even given ear to the many ways oppression takes place. You see this stark black and white picture. Oppression does come in degrees and if I am not as free as you no matter how small the issue I am oppressed. Most of the issues brought forth are not small issues.
Most alter a persons life.
I'm glad you asked before I did.
 
At the end of the day, what does it even matter? The Constitution protects us from far more than just extermination and enslavement, thank god.
 
But then definition #2 could be applied to pretty much anyone in America, including Christians, given any plausible reason.

Depending on the environment, given this definition, then yes, some Christians are oppressed in certain settings (fundamentalist evangelical Christians on college campuses comes to my mind).

You asked if homosexuals are "oppressed in America." Are Christians being oppressed, writ large, in America? Not so much. For gays, it's a different story.
 
Why did you make this thread? You failed to hear any of the valid points most of the posters have made. You have stuck to your very simplistic view in framing the OP. If these people aren't being tortured and gassed in chambers they are not oppressed in your view. You have not even given ear to the many ways oppression takes place. You see this stark black and white picture. Oppression does come in degrees and if I am not as free as you no matter how small the issue I am oppressed. Most of the issues brought forth are not small issues.
Most alter a persons life.

By your logic Christians are oppressed because they aren't allowed to express their religion in public schools, etc, because you seem to think every degree matters.

If there is even one instance of Christians not having a freedom that others have, then by your logic they are oppressed. Are Christians given grants for being Christian, unlike homosexuals who receive such grants?
 
Being able to tell if someone is black on sight is far easier than picking out someone who is gay.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

In many cases prior to the mid 80's gays lost jobs because they were gay. They still do at times if an employer finds out. Blacks were able to serve openly in the military when? Gays are able to serve openly just now. Talk about a different water fountain.
It's not even close in comparison.

I don't say that progress has not been made but when you compare there are many things the same.
I know older gays that used to wear wedding rings to keep from being found out or they would be persecuted in neighborhoods and on the job.
Many things? I'd beg to differ... time has a way of pasting over how bad the civil rights era members had it. Gays can call the police and not get worried about being beaten or shot or dragged behind the car tied to the bumper. And I'm not talking some backwater Louisiana swamp either, this was in major cities and towns across the U.S.

It's an INSULT to blacks and like I said, I who have no skin in the game as a straight white male, am embarrassed by such a comparison. Yes you're biased and have LGBT skin in the game as a lesbian... you might want to not be so quick to make the comparison.
 
But then definition #2 could be applied to pretty much anyone in America, including Christians, given any plausible reason.

I was wondering when this would turn into "White, Straight, Christian Men are being oppressed!"

I'm calling it "Rocket's Law." It's the same principle as Godwin's law.
 
Depending on the environment, given this definition, then yes, some Christians are oppressed in certain settings (fundamentalist evangelical Christians on college campuses comes to my mind).

You asked if homosexuals are "oppressed in America." Are Christians being oppressed, writ large, in America? Not so much. For gays, it's a different story.


You agree that LBGT are oppressed at the same level as say 1966-1968 blacks in Atlanta? Or Tennessee?
 
By your logic Christians are oppressed because they aren't allowed to express their religion in public schools, etc, because you seem to think every degree matters.

If there is even one instance of Christians not having a freedom that others have, then by your logic they are oppressed. Are Christians given grants for being Christian, unlike homosexuals who receive such grants?

Great! You're oppressed! We feel for you...

What grants do homosexuals get?
 
You agree that LBGT are oppressed at the same level as say 1966-1968 blacks in Atlanta? Or Tennessee?

I wouldn't argue that, but then blacks in 1960's Tennessee weren't oppressed on the same level as blacks in 1860's Tennessee.
 
By your logic Christians are oppressed because they aren't allowed to express their religion in public schools, etc, because you seem to think every degree matters.

Christians are allowed the same privileges that folks of other faiths are allowed in public schools. Christians are allowed to attach Jesus fish to the bumpers of their cars in the school parking lot. They can where "Jesus is da bomb" T-shirts. They can pray in schools as well. So I don't know where you're getting that Christians "cant express their religion" in public schools.

If there is even one instance of Christians not having a freedom that others have, then by your logic they are oppressed. Are Christians given grants for being Christian, unlike homosexuals who receive such grants?

Who in the world has been given a grant for being gay?
 
By your logic Christians are oppressed because they aren't allowed to express their religion in public schools, etc, because you seem to think every degree matters.

If there is even one instance of Christians not having a freedom that others have, then by your logic they are oppressed. Are Christians given grants for being Christian, unlike homosexuals who receive such grants?

Christians students are perfectly free to express their religion in public schools (with some restrictions, for, e.g., formal school activities thought to be endorsed by the school). Teachers and administrators however, are not, because when they're at work, they're acting as agents of the state.

No homosexual has ever gotten a grant just for being homosexual. I'm sure there are scholarships for gay students, just like there are scholarships for Christians, black students, female students, etc.
 
What grants do homosexuals get?

Well, my friend...

Gay Scholarship | PointFoundation.org
www.pointfoundation.org/
Learn More About Point Foundation, Offering Support to LGBT Students.
The Point Foundation LGBT Scholars

Homosexual Scholarships | Grants.EducationGrant.com
grants.educationgrant.com/
Homosexual Students May Qualify For Grants Scholarships & Financial Aid
http://form.educationgrant.com/qualify_leads/new?experience_id=800006

Those are at least two examples.
 
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I wouldn't argue that, but then blacks in 1960's Tennessee weren't oppressed on the same level as blacks in 1860's Tennessee.

I agree... and not only would I not argue it, I find the comparison ridiculous.
 
You agree that LBGT are oppressed at the same level as say 1966-1968 blacks in Atlanta? Or Tennessee?

No, I do not. As has already been stated multiple times, oppression occurs on a spectrum. Blacks in 1960s Atlanta were oppressed. So were blacks in the 1860s South, yet the situation of blacks in 1960s Atlanta was a hell of a lot better than in 1860s Georgia, though both were being oppressed. It is a matter of degree.
 
I agree... and not only would I not argue it, I find the comparison ridiculous.

The comparison is going a bit too far, but the point that homosexuals are oppressed on some level still stands.
 
I agree... and not only would I not argue it, I find the comparison ridiculous.

As is Wake's assertion that one needs to experience what the Jews experienced in order to be oppressed. Just because we are claiming that gays are currently being oppressed does not mean that we think their treatment is on the same level of blacks in Jim Crow America.
 
The thing though, is that many in the homosexual rights camp want to toss around "oppression" and "bigotry" labels to mirror some Civil Rights movement and to try and milk out some emotional response. Homosexuals are not oppressed, and It's shameful to claim so or to make homosexuals out to be some poor persecuted minority at the hands of those who have differing marital morals.
 
By your logic Christians are oppressed because they aren't allowed to express their religion in public schools, etc, because you seem to think every degree matters.

If there is even one instance of Christians not having a freedom that others have, then by your logic they are oppressed. Are Christians given grants for being Christian, unlike homosexuals who receive such grants?
According to many Christians there is a separation of church and state and if this is the case than practicing religion in a public school would be forbidden.
There are many groups that are oppressed but the OP is about gays. Many people still feel the sting of discrimination. There are degrees of oppression that is valid. The oppression that gays are under today is far less than up into the 70's. There are still laws that exist where you can lose a job for being gay in a number of states. The oppression varies depending where I am.
I have never said though that others in certain situations may well be oppressed. Your example depending on who is reading the constitution is open to opinion.
 
Gays are redefining "oppression" as well.... LOL

This is such a stupid argument. I can't walk down the street holding hands with my bf of 3 years without getting nasty looks from people. In many states, I couldn't marry him, adopt a kid with him, or see him in the hospital were he to get sick. To his colleagues at work, I don't exist because he is afraid that if people know he is gay, he might get fired. I don't care whether it qualifies as "oppression" or not. It's needlessly cruel and morally wrong.
 
There exist a hell of a lot more Christian grants and scholarships :shrug:

Organizationally, Christians have had a lot of time to establish themselves.
 
The thing though, is that many in the homosexual rights camp want to toss around "oppression" and "bigotry" labels to mirror some Civil Rights movement and to try and milk out some emotional response. Homosexuals are not oppressed, and It's shameful to claim so or to make homosexuals out to be some poor persecuted minority at the hands of those who have differing marital morals.

There are many parallels to the civil rights movement in the 60's. With respect to the marriage equality issue, the legal arguments made re: anti-miscegenation laws in the 50's-60's (see for example Loving v. Virginia) are functionally identical to the legal arguments made re: gay marriage now. Similarly, as I said about a page back, there is currently no federal law prohibiting an employer from firing a gay person for being gay. This is not dissimilar to the position black people were in re: employment discrimination prior to the civil rights movement.
 
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