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Racism against Hispanics?

Is it racist to be bigoted rude/insulting against Hispanics?


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This question derived from a scenario involving Hispanic basketball players and students chanting "US":

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060269547 (Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game)

What I want to know is whether or not it is racist to insult an ethnicity.

Here's data on both sides of this issue:

It IS racist:

❖ Hispanics form an ethnicity made up of various different races.

❖ Most people use a more generalized, looser definition of racism.


15-II WHAT IS "RACE" DISCRIMINATION?

Title VII prohibits employer actions that discriminate, by motivation or impact, against persons because of race. Title VII does not contain a definition of “race,” nor has the Commission adopted one. For the collection of federal data on race and ethnicity, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) has provided the following five racial categories: American Indian or Alaska Native; Asian; Black or African American; Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander; and White; and one ethnicity category, Hispanic or Latino.(12) OMB has made clear that these categories are “social-political constructs . . . and should not be interpreted as being genetic, biological, or anthropological in nature.”(13)


Compliance Manual Section 15: Race and Color Discrimination

It ISN'T racist:

❖ Hispanic, in itself, is not a race.

❖ People can undergo Hispanicization, to become Hispanic. This means that being Hispanic is a culture.

Hispanicization

Hispanicization is the process by which a place or a person absorbs characteristics of Hispanic society and culture.[38][39][40]
Modern hispanization of a place, namely in the United States, might be illustrated by Spanish-language media and businesses.
Hispanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

❖ Supposedly, most Hispanics are white.

Definitions in the United States
The term Hispanic, as dominated by the Office of Management and Budget, is used in the United States for people with origins in Spanish-speaking countries, like Mexico, Costa Rica. Hispanic is not a race, as the Chilean Nobel Prize Gabriela Mistral once said, "mi patria es mi lengua" (My fatherland is my language). Latino, from American Spanish, is used in some cases as an abbreviation for latino americano or "Latin American" and tends to be used interchangeably with Hispanic in the United States, despite the fact these two words are not synonyms. The term "Latin America" was used for the first time in 1861/1867, when the French occupied Mexico and wanted to be included in what has been known until then as "América Española" or "Spanish America". [30]


"The terms "Hispanic" or "Latino" refer to persons who trace their origin or descent to Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Spanish speaking Central and South America countries, and other Spanish cultures. Origin can be considered as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of the person or the person's parents or ancestors before their arrival in the United States. People who identify their origin as Hispanic or Latino may be of any race."[32]
The U.S. Office of Management and Budget currently defines "Hispanic or Latino" as "a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race".[33] This definition excludes people of Portuguese origins, such as Portuguese Americans or Brazilian Americans. However, they are included in some government agencies' definitions. For example, the U.S. Department of Transportation defines Hispanic to include, "persons of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Dominican, Central or South American, or others Spanish or Portuguese culture or origin, regardless of race."
Hispanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Now, repeat after me: "Hispanic is not a race." Disregard nearly every U.S. Government form which asks for race and shake your head in dismay at the cultural ignorance of nearly every writer in practically every newspaper in the United States, yes! the United States, because the term "Hispanic" or the equally misused "Latino" is nowhere used in so many wrong applications as it is in our politically correct, but sometimes culturally incorrect nation. Go ahead, pick any random issue of the Washington Post, or the latest book of essays by the great Camille Paglia or the wording in some of our 50 states' Equal Rights laws. You will also find countless medical surveys or economic studies where "races" are broken into Black, White, Asian and Hispanic; Congressional Black Caucus members complain that U.S. Government policy is different for Cubans because they are "light-skinned Hispanics." The samples go on and on.

For the last time: Hispanicism is NOT a race! Hispanicism is the cultural legacy which sometimes unites nearly every country in the New World south of California into a diverse group of peoples and races joined by a common language. Oh, by the way, I suppose one must throw in Spaniards, although I was shocked and amazed to listen to a San Francisco Mexican-American politician declare a few years ago that " Spaniards were not Hispanic because they were Europeans and white."
Hispanics: A Culture, Not a Race

If Hispanic is a race, then so is Muslim.

❖ "Racist" is a specific term, else it loses all meaning.

The census does it right! Hispanic is NOT a race. There are many races within the Latino community, including White, Black, Native Indian, and even Asian. Some segments, like the Cuban community, show very few mixed-race individuals. In fact, Cubans exhibit a race discrimination behavior within their community that is similar to that of the general market. Other groups, like Puerto Ricans, are very mixed. Argentineans are mostly White and some Latin American countries, including Mexico, have a strong Native Indian background. For years, however, the U.S. Census considered Hispanic a race. They changed that definition since before the 1970 census; and in 1977 the Office of Management and Budget issued the “Race and Ethnic Standards for Federal Statistics and Administrative Reporting”. They established the U.S. racial classifications to be American Indian, Alaskan Native, Asian or Pacific Islander, Black, and White. They added ethnic classifications of “Hispanic Origin” and “Not of Hispanic Origin”.

Unfortunately, we continue to see the race question in most market research studies and marketers in this country continue to label Hispanic as a race. The misconception that Hispanic is a race is so ingrained in this country that many Hispanics are confused themselves. This creates a big problem in marketing research, because many Latinos would check “Other” if “Hispanic” were not included in the race category. Yet, many Hispanics would check “White” or “Black” and not “Hispanic”, if “Hispanic” was included as a category. A way of avoiding this problem is to divide the question like the census does and to pay close attention to how the questions are worded. A better approach is to not bother asking about race at all.
Why doesn't the census include Hispanic as a race?

2010 Census

The 2010 US Census included changes designed to more clearly distinguish Hispanic ethnicity as not being a race. That included adding the sentence: "For this census, Hispanic origins are not races."[SUP][15][/SUP][SUP][16][/SUP] Additionally, the Hispanic terms were modified from "Hispanic or Latino" to "Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin".[SUP][15][/SUP][SUP][16][/SUP]

Although used in the Census and the American Community Survey, "Some other race" is not an official race,[SUP][13][/SUP] and the Bureau considered eliminating it prior to the 2000 Census.[SUP][17][/SUP] As the 2010 census form did not contain the question titled "Ancestry" found in prior censuses, there were campaigns to get non-Hispanic West Indian Americans, Arab Americans and Iranian Americans to indicate their ethnic or national background through the race question, specifically the "Some other race" category.[SUP][18][/SUP][SUP][19][/SUP][SUP][20][/SUP]
Race and ethnicity in the United States Census - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I think it's just dumb. The situation, the debate. Did anybody ask the kids about intent or are we just assuming they were implying that the other team was filled with non-citizens?
 
I think it's just dumb. The situation, the debate. Did anybody ask the kids about intent or are we just assuming they were implying that the other team was filled with non-citizens?

how often do you hear kids break out in a "USA" chant at a high school game........? i think the school officials knew what it was about.
 
I can't believe you already made a thread after I have shown you that you can be racist towards ethnicities.
 
I can't believe you already made a thread after I have shown you that you can be racist towards ethnicities.

Our wikipedia links contradict eachother, so you can rest assured I'll not take your link as 100% truth without more evidence. Do you think all of the links that show it isn't a race are wrong?

Why is Hispanic not considered a race on our government census?

How about being Muslim? Do you think that's a race as well?
 
Our wikipedia links contradict eachother, so you can rest assured I'll not take your link as 100% truth without more evidence. Do you think all of the links that show it isn't a race are wrong?

Why is Hispanic not considered a race on our government census?

How about being Muslim? Do you think that's a race as well?

No they do not. Your link just says that race and ethnicity are different and that the term "Hispanic" refers to ethnicity and not race. My link says that you can be racist toward an ethnicity. Case closed.

Ok?

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I am not 100%, but I do not think you can be racist towards Muslims. You can be intolerant. Though to be fair, most people are scared of Arab Muslims, not Muslims in general, and being Arab is an ethnicity, so yeah, you can be racist toward them.
 
No they do not. Your link just says that race and ethnicity are different and that the term "Hispanic" refers to ethnicity and not race. My link says that you can be racist toward an ethnicity. Case closed.

Ok?

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I am not 100%, but I do not think you can be racist towards Muslims. You can be intolerant. Though to be fair, most people are scared of Arab Muslims, not Muslims in general, and being Arab is an ethnicity, so yeah, you can be racist toward them.

Muslims are an ethnicity as well, so by your logic you'd have to say they're a race.

My bolded Wikipedia link states that Hispanic is not a race. "Hispanic is not a race, as the Chilean Nobel Prize Gabriela Mistral once said, "mi patria es mi lengua" (My fatherland is my language)."

Furthermore, many Spaniards were white.

Why did the 2010 census discern that Hispanic is not a race, but an ethnicity?

Also, the Wiki link states that people can be Hispanicized; become a part of that culture. Races can't do that, but cultures can.

I'd like to see Harry Guerilla's :twocents: on this issue.
 
Muslims are an ethnicity as well, so by your logic you'd have to say they're a race.

My bolded Wikipedia link states that Hispanic is not a race. "Hispanic is not a race, as the Chilean Nobel Prize Gabriela Mistral once said, "mi patria es mi lengua" (My fatherland is my language)."

Furthermore, many Spaniards were white.

Why did the 2010 census discern that Hispanic is not a race, but an ethnicity?

Also, the Wiki link states that people can be Hispanicized; become a part of that culture. Races can't do that, but cultures can.

I'd like to see Harry Guerilla's :twocents: on this issue.

No, Muslims come from different ethnicities. Sorry. Some Muslims are Arab, some are Croats, Serbs, African, American etc.
 
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No, Muslims come from different ethnicities. Sorry. Some Muslims are Arab, some are Croats, Serbs, African, American etc.

But the same applies with Hispanics. Some are white, black, or come from various, different countries.

Hispanics are an ethnicity, and so are Muslims. You would have to hold Muslim to the exact same standard as Hispanic, and you would have to treat both as races.
 
Muslims are an ethnicity as well, so by your logic you'd have to say they're a race.

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Yes.... nay a skull penetrating facepalm of the ages...
 
But the same applies with Hispanics. Some are white, black, or come from various, different countries.

Hispanics are an ethnicity, and so are Muslims. You would have to hold Muslim to the exact same standard as Hispanic, and you would have to treat both as races.

No. Holy ****. Muslim is a religious term. Muslims are made up of many different ethnicities. Those ethnicities are made up of different races.

Being Hispanic is an ethnicity. Being Muslim is not an ethnicity.
 
Alright, I erred on the Muslim part.

Still Hispanic is not a race, but a culture, and you can be "Hispanicized." Furthermore, Hispanic includes a background from numerous countries. Isn't Asian/European also and ethnicity, but not a race, like Hispanic?
 
Alright, I erred on the Muslim part.

Still Hispanic is not a race, but a culture, and you can be "Hispanicized." Furthermore, Hispanic includes a background from numerous countries. Isn't Asian/European also and ethnicity, but not a race, like Hispanic?

Hispanic is an ethnicity. You can be racist towards ethnicities. Do we have it yet?
 
Alright, I erred on the Muslim part.

Still Hispanic is not a race, but a culture, and you can be "Hispanicized." Furthermore, Hispanic includes a background from numerous countries. Isn't Asian/European also and ethnicity, but not a race, like Hispanic?

what language, do Asians speak?

what language, do Europeans speak?

Hispanic is a culture, partially due to its common language.

Just as Jews have a common language, and Arabs have a common language.
 
Guys, do some research. If we want to be accurate, Hispanics are neither an ethnicity nor a race (although for practical purposes we sometimes include them as a race category). Neither is being Muslim a race or an ethnicity for that matter.

And while it might not be accurate to call it "racism," there is certainly bigotry against Latinos/Hispanics. This entire thread has becoming an idiotic semantic debate.
 
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Guys, do some research. If we want to be accurate, Hispanics are neither an ethnicity nor a race (although for practical purposes we sometimes include them as a race category). Neither is being Muslim a race or an ethnicity for that matter.

And while it might not be accurate to call it "racism," there is certainly bigotry against Latinos/Hispanics. This entire thread has becoming an idiotic semantic debate.

Spot on!

It doesn't really matter if you call it "racism", "ethnic prejudice", "chauvinism" or "xenophobia" -- when the sentiments behind it are the same as in case of racism, it doesn't matter how you call it, it's just as bad.
 
Spot on!

It doesn't really matter if you call it "racism", "ethnic prejudice", "chauvinism" or "xenophobia" -- when the sentiments behind it are the same as in case of racism, it doesn't matter how you call it, it's just as bad.

its possible, that threads like these are kind of a red herring. they may be suggesting that since Hispanic isn't a race, which means hatred against Hispanics isn't really "racism", then prejudice against Hispanics isn't as big a deal.

I don't know if that's the intent of the thread, but its possible.
 
Guys, do some research. If we want to be accurate, Hispanics are neither an ethnicity nor a race (although for practical purposes we sometimes include them as a race category). Neither is being Muslim a race or an ethnicity for that matter.

And while it might not be accurate to call it "racism," there is certainly bigotry against Latinos/Hispanics. This entire thread has becoming an idiotic semantic debate.

Uhh, dude, Hispanic is an ethnicity.

http://www.csrees.usda.gov/nea/food/efnep/ers/pdf/new_race_codes.pdf
Hispanic or Latino. A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or
Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.
The term "Spanish origin" can be used in addition to "Hispanic or Latino".
Not Hispanic or Latino. All other ethnicities.

Distribution of Hispanic Medical School Graduates by Hispanic Ethnicity, 2011

Not to be a dick, but I got it right from the beginning.
 
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Uhh, dude, Hispanic is an ethnicity...

that, is debatable. as many Hispanics have no actual Spanish origin. Like folks in Argentina who are descended from Italians, Germans, or Ashkenazi Jews. as well as the people of Venice, who are considered Hispanic due to they being a former Spanish colony, but they of course don't speak Spanish.
 
"Hispanic" is not a race, not in the same sense as white and black are. White people tend to all see each other as white, same with blacks, but with "Hispanics" it's a whole 'nother ball game. For example, in my experience, there's absolutely no sense of solidarity between Mexicans and Cubans. (Speaking as a Cuban, here.) This is why people are spewing nonsense when they claim Marco Rubio would draw some Hispanics into the Republican camp. He'd probably drive away more of them than he'd bring.
 
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In certain circumstances, (for census-taking for example), because Hispanic is such an amorphous term it is sometimes considered a race or ethnicity (much like "Muslim" was considered an ethnicity in Communist Bosnia), but from the point of genetics and biology, there's no way all Hispanics belong to the same ethnic group, as you have white, black, and mestizo Hispanics. Examples of people I would consider to be ethnic groups falling under the umbrella of "Hispanic" include Castilians, Catalans, maybe the Basque, some Amerindian tribes who have adopted aspects of Spanish culture, etc.

Edit: Also, your link, WSS, makes it clear that the census itself considers Hispanic to be a group of ethnicities - notice the words "Hispanics by ethnicity" which include Puerto Rican, Argentine, etc.
 
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