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Welfare

What do you think welfare should be?

  • Leave it as it is

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • Make provisions to the current welfare system. Explain

    Votes: 24 64.9%

  • Abolish it completely.

    Votes: 6 16.2%

  • Other. Explain

    Votes: 4 10.8%
  • Total voters
    37
Once again, i hear republicans cry about getting government out of their lives while at the same time being in favor for federal drug testing to receive welfare payment. So in other words, government is bad if it intrudes on your own personal life, but it's ok if they intrude on the less fortunate. This is the definition of class warfare. It's easy to judge other human beings without having a clue what that person has been through or is currently experiencing. Most people who are on welfare are on it for a reason....lets please not stoop to a level similar to the gum on my shoe.
 
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Yeah, God forbid the government has a say on how to distribute its own money.

People are more than free to decline the welfare if they're that concerned about intrusion. Stipulations on gifts is not only sensible, it's intelligent and efficient.
 
cthomp said:
I come from an area that has a lot of people on welfare. My neighboring town is roughly 86%. I can honestly say that when I go through that town I am amazed. It is not rare to see expensive cars, rims, and hear the bumping of expensive stereo systems in cars. For the most part the people are dressed in expensive clothes and shoes. To pile it on it is common to see many people walking the streets in the middle of the day during the week. It frustrates me to see the welfare system abused. However, I am not completely against it. My question is what do you think the welfare system should be like?

I feel it should go something like this. I would like to see the people on welfare drug tested. Next I think there should be somewhat of a stepping system. People that receive welfare should have to do some community service. Maybe two three times a week to earn their check. Give them x amount of days to get a job. Any job, working at McDonalds if they have to. This way their welfare check can be reduced. The system should be organized to help people get off of their feet, not feel its ok to sit at home and just get a hand-out.
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I think that taxing people in order to give their money to others is essentially the same as and no better than stealing. I consider it wrong and would never support it.
 
Centinel said:
I think that taxing people in order to give their money to others is essentially the same as and no better than stealing. I consider it wrong and would never support it.
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What is this person had his torso blown off in iraq so you could post on this forum today? is it still wrong?
 
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SypherAL said:
What is this person had his torso blown off in iraq so you could post on this forum today? is it still wrong?
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Do you believe in miracles? Because if someone had his torso BLOWN OFF and lived I would.
 
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Henrin said:
Do you believe in miracles? Because if someone had his torso BLOWN OFF and lived I would.
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Well this guy believed in miracles and lived to collect your tax dollars.
 
cthomp said:
I come from an area that has a lot of people on welfare. My neighboring town is roughly 86%. I can honestly say that when I go through that town I am amazed. It is not rare to see expensive cars, rims, and hear the bumping of expensive stereo systems in cars. For the most part the people are dressed in expensive clothes and shoes. To pile it on it is common to see many people walking the streets in the middle of the day during the week. It frustrates me to see the welfare system abused. However, I am not completely against it. My question is what do you think the welfare system should be like?

I feel it should go something like this. I would like to see the people on welfare drug tested. Next I think there should be somewhat of a stepping system. People that receive welfare should have to do some community service. Maybe two three times a week to earn their check. Give them x amount of days to get a job. Any job, working at McDonalds if they have to. This way their welfare check can be reduced. The system should be organized to help people get off of their feet, not feel its ok to sit at home and just get a hand-out.
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So...how many of these people do you actually see in possession with a "welfare" check? What kind of welfare check do you believe that they recieve? Are they men or women?
 
samsmart said:
This was the way it was until the food industries lobbied to changed it so people on food stamps could buy their products with those food stamps.
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That must have been a really long time ago.
 
Centinel said:
I think that taxing people in order to give their money to others is essentially the same as and no better than stealing. I consider it wrong and would never support it.
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SypherAL said:
What is this person had his torso blown off in iraq so you could post on this forum today? is it still wrong?
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In my opinion, yes. It's wrong to steal, even if one uses the stolen money to help another person. The ends don't justify the means.
 
American said:
This is the most disingenuous post you've ever posted. If you can't debate the welfare system that he's talking about then why don't you somewhere else? Stop derailing this thread.
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The title of the thread is "Welfare." I'm talking about welfare.
 
Gipper said:
Welfare needs a drastic overhaul these days. The amount needs to be reduced, it needs to require full-time employment, recipients should be mandated to take random, frequent drug tests, and women need to be placed on some sort of birth control who receive funding. These are just tips of the iceberg.
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GEZZZUSSS GOD, Gipper! There's been ENDLESS ****ing posts about the government paying for birth control...and here you come along and advocate for it.

Make up your mind...
 
Well, when 300 million people go on welfare, we'll revisit the situation.
 
Removable Mind said:
So...how many of these people do you actually see in possession with a "welfare" check? What kind of welfare check do you believe that they recieve? Are they men or women?
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I don't see anyone in possession of a check. Like I said last year 85% of people were on welfare in the town. The majority of cars you see are either very nice new cars, have expensive rims, or expensive stereo systems. People wear expensive clothes and shoes regularly. The majority of people I see are men and the women I see are young, 16-21 maybe.
 
cthomp said:
I don't see anyone in possession of a check. Like I said last year 85% of people were on welfare in the town. The majority of cars you see are either very nice new cars, have expensive rims, or expensive stereo systems. People wear expensive clothes and shoes regularly. The majority of people I see are men and the women I see are young, 16-21 maybe.
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And exactly how do you know that 85% of the community is on welfare.

What type of welfare?
 
Henrin said:
What kind of experience can you possibly have if you don't know the first thing about what applies?
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As an end user of the services they provide. Do you work at DOE? What exactly gives you extensive knowledge. Have you had any transactions or been the end user for their services?
 
The Nuclear Power industry is a good example of Corporate Welfare. It couldn't exist without gov't subsidies. Check the tax breaks to oil companies and gas companies. Pass laws that put small farms, businessses out of business by creating inspection or paperback logjams of monumentally complicated or expensive solutions. It is done in every industry and promoted as standard policy by lobbyists and the slime scaling scumsuckers that they buy and sell, that'd be politicians inside the Centralized Collection of Scumbags headquarters, also known as Washington, D. C.
 
Removable Mind said:
And exactly how do you know that 85% of the community is on welfare.

What type of welfare?
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Correction on my part, 85% was on some sort of government assistance. I have a friend who works for the township that knows the information.
 
I feel it needs to be revised. I know people that abuse it. They make more money from their welfare check than they would if they get a job. What type of motivation does that give them? None.

You can easily go to a store and see someone pay for their groceries using food stamps, but see them walking out to their new SUV talking on their iPhone wearing their expensive clothes and shoes.

I also know people that really need it. People that are disabled, and unable to work.
 
Henrin said:
How are no bid contracts welfare and how are they corrupt in nature?
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It eliminates healthy competition and can allow lower quality goods and services to succeed -- which is contrary to free market capitalism.
 
Tigger said:
I don't think it should be abolished completely. I do believe that there is a small (probably single digit) percentage of the individuals currently getting government support who should continue getting help. I see no need for the government to ever engage in corporate or educational welfare.
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People are always very bold with this type of anti-American opinion when their seas are smooth. Also, it's easy for older retired people living off a pension to believe that others are getting benefits they didn't have... like a WW II vet who went to college on the GI Bill, just one example. Unfortunately, not all older people are wise...

What disgusts me about the type of thinking in the quoted post is that it is so anti-American; it is contrary to who we are as a country. The far-right wants to destroy out National Character because of their own fears and misconceptions about welfare. This ignorance often stems from racist misinformation.

To the extent we allow our decisions to be guided by fear, racism, and misinformation... we our doomed.

We must hold strong to what we believe is the right thing to do and focus solely on cutting waste and making safety net programs as efficient as possible. We must stay the course as a compassionate nation that cares for the poor and disenfranchised.
 
cthomp said:
Correction on my part, 85% was on some sort of government assistance. I have a friend who works for the township that knows the information.
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With all due respect. You'll not find adolescent boys and girls receiving public assistance. I think your friend has furnished you with misinformation about how social services work...and the percent of those receiving assistance in your community.

Since I don't have a clue as to your location then I can't really make any detailed comments. But your opening premise is just too simplistic regarding a very complex problem. And what your making observation of is really perplexing because you have assumed a whole lot about a very large portion of a community of people.

There's no denying that social services programs in our country is in a serious need for an overhaul. But then again...there are many other aspects of government in just as serious need of being overhauled. We have a government that is broken in a lot of ways.

Unless your willing to share, at the very least, what state you reside in, it's really hard to have a reasonable discussion about your concept/observations are.
 
Flordia had drug testing for welfare Applicants.

In Aug.2011 there was an article that 96% of Florida Welfare Applicants Passed the Drug Test.

From the following article:

96% of Florida Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test, Discredit Tea Party Gov
Florida’s new drug-tests-for-welfare-applicants program just yielded its first batch of results: 98 percent passed.

Florida Gov. Rick Scott, who rode his own fortune and the tea party’s adoration to office last year, has stated publicly several times that people on welfare use drugs at a higher rate than the general population. So at Scott’s urging earlier this year, the legislature implemented a policy requiring all temporary cash assistance applicants pass a drug test before getting any help.

The Department of Children and Families says about 2 percent of applicants are failing the test; another 2 percent are not completing the application process, for reasons unspecified, according to the Tampa Tribune.
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96% of Florida Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test, Discredit Tea Party Gov - COLORLINES



In October 2011,a federal judge issued a temporary injunction to stop the testing.

At this time Florida still can't drug test welfare recipients.

snopes.com: Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients
 
Heard the story before, minnie. The story misses one word.

Random.

Give me a week in advance, and I'll pass the pee test too.
 
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