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Do republicans want the economy to tank?

Do republicans want economy to tank?

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    Votes: 10 50.0%

  • no

    Votes: 10 50.0%
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It certainly would help their chances in retaking the white house.
 
No.

This sounds like a troll thread.

Edit: Actually, never mind, it depends on the Republicans you are referring to. The politicians, or the citizens?
 
JustinS said:
No.

This sounds like a troll thread.

Edit: Actually, never mind, it depends on the Republicans you are referring to. The politicians, or the citizens?
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I was talking about the politicians. Mitch mcconnell said his goal was the deny the president a second term.
 
99percenter said:
I was talking about the politicians. Mitch mcconnell said his goal was the deny the president a second term.
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citizens? no. politicians? That's what makes them politicians.
 
Well as they have stated many times, their number one goal is to defeat Obama. Their goal isnt to do what is best for the American people but to defeat a president they agree with...
So if the economy tanked under Obama, he would be gone, so it would help them defeat Obama.. So to answer your question, kinda. As long however as it gets Obama out of the White House.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and attempt to take this question as an honest one rather than how I imagine it actually is meant based on the history of the person posting it....

As such, there's numerous layers.

First layer. Do Republicans want the economy to tank? Yes. Likely in much the same way that fans of a team like the Colts wanted their team to lose games at the end of the season. Did those fans likely enjoy the wins they got and cheered for them? Yes. But ultimately they realized that the long term health of the team would be better if they did poorly by the end of the season rather than do well. Doing well would give some short term benefit, but long term could potentially cripple the franchise for a decade. So they wanted to see their team do poorly because they felt it would help them be better in the long term and in the net effect. Similarly, I believe most Republicans think that what's going on right now being pushed by Obama and the Democrats is going to have a long term negative effect on the country and as such would rather see some bad economic signs in the short term, hopefully leading to an Obama loss, in exchange for good things for the country in the long term and in the net effect.

Second layer. Are Republicans in congress working towards making a bad economy. I believe by and large, this is not the case. In this instances I view the politicians actually in the government as the players on that Colts team. While they understand that in the long term it may be better for the team to lose, there's that bit of pride/ego/self respect in them that tells them they have to try their very best each and every time they go out there. This is why the Republicans are attempting to push for things. The difference is however is that what the Republicans view as good for the economy, both near and short term, is different at times than what Democrats feel and so they don't agree. I don't believe this is them actively attempting to work towards a bad economy but rather simply having a different view on how to fix it and how important the long term effects are in their attempts to fix it.

Third layer. Do Republicans want the economy to tank simply because they dislike Obama. This I believe is a "no". Let's step back out of reality for a moment and place in a hypothetical. Lets say Republicans actually believed that what Obama is doing will actually help the economy not just perhaps short term but long term as well. That they believed what Obama is doing is by and large GOOD for the country. I believe if that was the case Republicans, for the most part, would be happy to see the economy doing better and want to see it doing better. The issue however is that they DON'T feel that way. Most Republican's feel that the things being done is bad for the long term health and short term improvements will simply give a false confidence that allows the long term damage to be done.

To give an analogy here, think to a time when you have someone close to you whose sick. They start taking medicine and in that first little bit after they suddenly start feeling good. They decide that "Hey, I'm feeling better. I'm going to try and go out and do x, y, and z we originally had palnned for today." You sit there going "Man, I really hoped that you were still going to feel bad after that medicine". Why do you feel that way?

Because you know since they're feeling good, they're going to try to go out. And if they go out they're going to exhaust themselves. And come the night, when the body naturally starts feeling bad again and the medicine wears off, they're going to be even WORSE then they were originally. If the medicine hadn't made them feel that false feeling of "being better" they would've remained in bed, continued to feel bad (which is unfortunate), but gotten the right rest they needed to make their recovery faster and better in the long term.

That's where Republicans are at. They feel that what's going on right now is essentially short term fixes. A fake "high" caused by a temporary adjustment that will give people a false belief that the overall situation is all done but in reality is just setting up the situation for the sickness to get even worse and be here even longer. They'd rather people stay in bed, feel that hurt for a little longer, in hopes of getting the right rest and medicine they need so they can be back on their feet fully in a day or two instead of a week or two.
 
A better characterization would be that Republicans prefer to interpret present reality and future contingencies in terms that fit their predispositions.

Zyphlin said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and attempt to take this question as an honest one rather than how I imagine it actually is meant based on the history of the person posting it....

As such, there's numerous layers.

First layer. Do Republicans want the economy to tank? Yes. Likely in much the same way that fans of a team like the Colts wanted their team to lose games at the end of the season. Did those fans likely enjoy the wins they got and cheered for them? Yes. But ultimately they realized that the long term health of the team would be better if they did poorly by the end of the season rather than do well. Doing well would give some short term benefit, but long term could potentially cripple the franchise for a decade. So they wanted to see their team do poorly because they felt it would help them be better in the long term and in the net effect. Similarly, I believe most Republicans think that what's going on right now being pushed by Obama and the Democrats is going to have a long term negative effect on the country and as such would rather see some bad economic signs in the short term, hopefully leading to an Obama loss, in exchange for good things for the country in the long term and in the net effect.

Second layer. Are Republicans in congress working towards making a bad economy. I believe by and large, this is not the case. In this instances I view the politicians actually in the government as the players on that Colts team. While they understand that in the long term it may be better for the team to lose, there's that bit of pride/ego/self respect in them that tells them they have to try their very best each and every time they go out there. This is why the Republicans are attempting to push for things. The difference is however is that what the Republicans view as good for the economy, both near and short term, is different at times than what Democrats feel and so they don't agree. I don't believe this is them actively attempting to work towards a bad economy but rather simply having a different view on how to fix it and how important the long term effects are in their attempts to fix it.

Third layer. Do Republicans want the economy to tank simply because they dislike Obama. This I believe is a "no". Let's step back out of reality for a moment and place in a hypothetical. Lets say Republicans actually believed that what Obama is doing will actually help the economy not just perhaps short term but long term as well. That they believed what Obama is doing is by and large GOOD for the country. I believe if that was the case Republicans, for the most part, would be happy to see the economy doing better and want to see it doing better. The issue however is that they DON'T feel that way. Most Republican's feel that the things being done is bad for the long term health and short term improvements will simply give a false confidence that allows the long term damage to be done.

To give an analogy here, think to a time when you have someone close to you whose sick. They start taking medicine and in that first little bit after they suddenly start feeling good. They decide that "Hey, I'm feeling better. I'm going to try and go out and do x, y, and z we originally had palnned for today." You sit there going "Man, I really hoped that you were still going to feel bad after that medicine". Why do you feel that way?

Because you know since they're feeling good, they're going to try to go out. And if they go out they're going to exhaust themselves. And come the night, when the body naturally starts feeling bad again and the medicine wears off, they're going to be even WORSE then they were originally. If the medicine hadn't made them feel that false feeling of "being better" they would've remained in bed, continued to feel bad (which is unfortunate), but gotten the right rest they needed to make their recovery faster and better in the long term.

That's where Republicans are at. They feel that what's going on right now is essentially short term fixes. A fake "high" caused by a temporary adjustment that will give people a false belief that the overall situation is all done but in reality is just setting up the situation for the sickness to get even worse and be here even longer. They'd rather people stay in bed, feel that hurt for a little longer, in hopes of getting the right rest and medicine they need so they can be back on their feet fully in a day or two instead of a week or two.
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That's a very sympathetic interpretation.

Most people don't develop an elaborate enough understanding of historical causality to be credibly consequentialistic. More like Republicans believe they are Luke Skywalker fighting Darth Vader than they have a utilitarian scheme and motives.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Well as they have stated many times, their number one goal is to defeat Obama. Their goal isnt to do what is best for the American people but to defeat a president they agree with...
So if the economy tanked under Obama, he would be gone, so it would help them defeat Obama.. So to answer your question, kinda. As long however as it gets Obama out of the White House.
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If? The economy has tanked under Obama and the best thing for the country is for Obama to be removed from office.
 
ksu_aviator said:
If? The economy has tanked under Obama and the best thing for the country is for Obama to be removed from office.
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Inaccurate statement. The economy is getting better under Obama. The problem people have with Obama is the $5 trillion in debt he has collected to make the economy better. The short term perception of our economy as improving is not worth the long term burden that is the debt. The belief of the Obama administration that increasing the debt at the rate they have is worth the price to improve the economy the small amount that they have is irresponsible, I believe. That is my issue with Obama. I can't speak for the Republicans because money, as it does with all politicians, talks for them. Whoever gives them the most money to pay for their cushy lifestyle is who's opinion you are hearing.
 
Disregarding the obvious generalization of all republicans as a single entity....


Yes and no.

Yes, if they believe that it will help in the long run.

No, if they believe the current course is correct.


Personally, I think many if not all economic decisions made in the last few decades or so have been bad.



In basic terms, any economic policy that I would support would boil down to "guide, don't control".


That may seem contradictory, but...it’s not.



Think of it as the difference between ordering someone to do X and encouraging them to do X.

If you will.
 
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Republicans on here will claim they desire no such thing, however, you would have to be truly arrogant to believe the desire is not buried in the back of their mind. The GOP hopes and dreams of winning the white house depends on a failing economy. If the economy continues to get stronger, the republicans have nothing but social issues and obamacare to run on. We all know how well the GOP handles social issues. :doh
 
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Wanting a market correction is not wanting the economy to tank. Being in opposition to delaying the inevitable correction with more stimulus/debt is not wanting the economy to tank, nor is it "wanting the government to do nothing." Just like telling a heroin addict that though one more dose will feel good, its exacerbating the problem, isn't "wanting him to experience the suffering of withdrawal" although the painful market correction is necessary.

You just can't keep taking more of the poison that got you sick to feel better, stopping isn't "doing nothing" its actually the right course of action. Though it'll suck for a while, you're better off in the long run.
 
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I tell you one thing, I sincerely have advanced sympathy for the individual, whatever their lean or party, that is the one that has entitlement reform and debt reduction forced on him or her because of our governments lack of fortitude and stewardship. Someone down the line is going to have to tackle this. Someone's going to forced to deal with it. I really believe that's the only way we will ever reduce our debt. It will be forced somehow. Whomever that POTUS is, I'm praying for you already. You will have people coming after you from the depths of our society. If you're reading this, think about all of the entitlements we have that people depend on. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, food stamps, etc, etc are failing programs. The currect administration'a, and all administrations dating back to the Carter era, failure to deal with entitlement reform is setting the stage for some person to have to get up in front of the American people and say, "Sorry folks, you're not getting the entitlements you paid into. Nothing I can do about it." Look at Greece right now. That entire episode is about people not getting entitlements. Imagine our country like that. We have people (Occupiers) protesting violenty just to do it. They don't even know why they're there! What if they actually had a purpose? Its going to be ugly, I'm telling you. Unless our gov't pulls its head out of its butt, our country's going to have a hard time. Glad I live out in the boonies. I'd hate to live in a city.
 
Thunder said:
Republican people? no.

Republicans in Congress and running for POTUS? absolutely.
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Great, this thread just become worthless as well. Go away Thunder.
 
Bad news for the economy is good news for the GOP. It would also be bad news for the nation and the economy if it enables the GOP to win the White House and the Senate in November. Repeating the same failed policies which got us into this mess will only help destroy the middle class.

Of course some on the right are against recovery and jobs. They are the opposite of patriots.
 
haymarket said:
Bad news for the economy is good news for the GOP. It would also be bad news for the nation and the economy if it enables the GOP to win the White House and the Senate in November. Repeating the same failed policies which got us into this mess will only help destroy the middle class.

Of course some on the right are against recovery and jobs. They are the opposite of patriots.
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Just like the dems hoping for massive casualties in 2003 and 2004 to use as a campaign issue against Bush?

bad news in the economy might sink the bad ship Obama but it might also hurt the GOP keeping hold of the congress which is more important to keeping the creeping crud of obamasocialism out of America
 
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TurtleDude said:
Just like the dems hoping for massive casualties in 2003 and 2004 to use as a campaign issue against Bush?

bad news in the economy might sink the bad ship Obama but it might also hurt the GOP keeping hold of the congress which is more important to keeping the creeping crud of obamasocialism out of America
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That little rubber hammer just whacked you in the knee yet again. Why do you see everything in the frame of tit for tat?

Which Democrats in 2003 and 04 are you talking about? I remember no such thing.
 
haymarket said:
That little rubber hammer just whacked you in the knee yet again. Why do you see everything in the frame of tit for tat?

Which Democrats in 2003 and 04 are you talking about? I remember no such thing.
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the rubber hammer nonsense is just stupid. Of course you remember no such thing. Its sort of like the Catholic church not teaching the history surrounding the counter-Reformation in their schools for years
 
TurtleDude said:
the rubber hammer nonsense is just stupid. Of course you remember no such thing. Its sort of like the Catholic church not teaching the history surrounding the counter-Reformation in their schools for years
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The rubber hammer apparently is perfect since it hits the target each and every time. The fact that you wield it upon yourself makes it twice as wonderful. And even now, when challenged, you come up with nothing to support your claim about 2004. Why are you impotent to provide verifiable evidence for your allegations of fact?
 
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