Guns

stonewall50 said:

...The point is of course that: gun laws that clearly have had no impact upon gun crime are clearly NOT the answer....

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no gun law can be honestly judged until its uniform around the country, or at least in a region of the country.

Jerry said:

If you don't have an ID then you also do not have a job nor drive.

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I was in a stop and rob today after filling my car up-I was buying a half gallon of "true-Moo chocolate milk for my kid and some guy came in right behind me-he had pulled up to the pump I just left. He wants 30 bucks on pump 4 and he wants to buy some smokes. (I guessed he was around 18 but I couldnt tell); so the cashier asks for an ID and he says he doesn't have one. So she says How are you driving a car with out an ID

he says forget it and storms off

Thunder said:

no gun law can be honestly judged until its uniform around the country, or at least in a region of the country.

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In other words lets impose idiocy on everyone to see if it works

sorry, our rights are more important than making everyone equally NYC miserable

Thunder said:

hey, if we can hassle honest citizens who just want to vote, then we can hassle honest citizens who want to buy 30 guns in one month. its only fair.

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I have no problem providing my ID when I buy a firearm.

Jerry said:

I was going to say something, but I bought 3 guns just this week, and I plan on buying a 4th tomorrow...maybe a 5th if I find a deal.

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If the causal reader is wondering:
Gun #1 was a small .38 revolver for CCW where discretion is key;
Gun #2 was a full-size Springfield .45 auto, which has replaced my piece-of-**** Glock 9mm (which I'm now selling) as my typical carry, not made for CCW but I carry it when I don't need to care if someone notices;
Gun #3 was a youth-stock .22 bolt action beginners rifle I and my 11 y/o shot today;
Gun #4 is going to be what Scheels Sporting Goods calls a "Cricket", which is an even smaller stock .22 bolt-action rife for my 8 y/o;
Gun #5 might be a civilian version of my military issued M4 or M16.

Thunder said:

no gun law can be honestly judged until its uniform around the country, or at least in a region of the country.

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So like idk? Right to Carry seems to be pretty uniform and working well. 3 Day waiting periods are pretty uniform and seem to be pointless. Would you like me to continue? Ammo, 21 and up, felony checks, bueler...bueler...

Most laws are pretty uniform.

Jerry said:

If the causal reader is wondering:
Gun #1 was a small .38 revolver for CCW where discretion is key;
Gun #2 was a full-size Springfield .45 auto, which has replaced my piece-of-**** Glock 9mm (which I'm now selling) as my typical carry, not made for CCW but I carry it when I don't need to care if someone notices;
Gun #3 was a youth-stock .22 bolt action beginners rifle I and my 11 y/o shot today;
Gun #4 is going to be what Scheels Sporting Goods calls a "Cricket", which is an even smaller stock .22 bolt-action rife for my 8 y/o;
Gun #5 might be a civilian version of my military issued M4 or M16.

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Who did you kill and steal money from? I wish I could buy guns that fast.

Oh...and POS Glock? My uncle has carried the same glock for 20 years as a duty weapon, I have seen one burnt up in a fire and then tested and not only does it shoot, but it still cycles rounds and everything. Just put on a glove so you don't get polymer on your hands. Did you do something to yours?

Jerry said:

I have no problem providing my ID when I buy a firearm.

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Me either. I keep 3 picture IDs in my wallet at all times lol. I have used my concealed license to get into a club before lol.

Jerry said:

I have no problem providing my ID when I buy a firearm.

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i never get why id cards are such an argument.my cousin had been unemployed and on meth since he was 8 years old,(the meth part since 8 no unemployed).never held a job and most of the time got himself arrested just so he had food and shelter.about 5 years ago after years of requests to leave the area where his drug buddies were,he finally got a judge that let him leave cali and hes been drug free ever since.

point is though even when he was just as poor as those living under a bridge he had an id card.most states have a system that allows a state id with picture to be issued with minimal proof.some states like cali even had loopholes where people could get them for free,granted he got his through getting arrested for brewing meth and the state wanted to know who he was.i guess the pint is if nsomeone can afford to buy thunderbird wine everday they can afford a ten dollar id card fee,or jus make the states give those who cant afford them id cards.

another stupid pet peeve of mine is people arguing that guns are bought legally then smuggled across state lines and sold illegally.last i checked all studies they had on the subject were what the atf guesses those guns came from,since if they were illegl,tyhe serial number would have been filed off.great policy lets make laws based off what we assume,its like saying i dont have a damn clue but lets punish everyone to make sure.it may have changed innthe last few years but last i checked mopst guns used in crimes were made in austria brazil russia china and mexico.thats right if we can smuggle cocai in what makes you thinkm guns cant be smuggles in.why the hell would someone pay top dollar to smuggle weapons from state to state legally purchased when austria counterfeits them and can sell an ak-47 after manufacture and smuggleling costs for $150 or a imitation glock for $50,it doesnt matter to them they are going to use it and throw it in the dumpster anyways.

stonewall50 said:

Who did you kill and steal money from?

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My job pays pretty good, but the guns weren't that expensive. The Springfield had the highest price-tag at $950 with 100 rounds of target load and 20 rounds of silver-tipped hollow point for my carry load (I don't carry extra ammo normally). If the store had the laser site I wanted they could have separated me from even more money.

The cheapest was the .22 rifle at $190, and a box of 500 rounds was pretty cheap.

stonewall50 said:

Oh...and POS Glock? My uncle has carried the same glock for 20 years as a duty weapon, I have seen one burnt up in a fire and then tested and not only does it shoot, but it still cycles rounds and everything. Just put on a glove so you don't get polymer on your hands. Did you do something to yours?

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The Glock just feels like a chunk of plastic carved out to resemble a 2x4, and the angle of the grip is awkward.

btw jerry has your unit offered a m-4 for sale yet?when i was in afghanistan my unit offered for 800 bucks,(bout the same cost as a plain m-4 in texas)an m-4 with magazine a gold plated unit insignia the year in afghanistan and an acog scope.

Thunder said:

don't have to?

you make a baseless claim, I counter it with evidence to the contrary, and you refuse to read such evidence?

wow, that's really intelligent.

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If by "provided evidence to the contrary" you mean found the first agreeable data to your argument even though it's not a totally legit source and you **** out a premise from there. Sure, why not.:roll:

Again, I found articles and compilations of real and uniform data, guess you missed that part huh?

beerftw said:

btw jerry has your unit offered a m-4 for sale yet?when i was in afghanistan my unit offered for 800 bucks,(bout the same cost as a plain m-4 in texas)an m-4 with magazine a gold plated unit insignia the year in afghanistan and an acog scope.

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They're offering a Colt pistol, but it looks terrible.

Jerry said:

They're offering a Colt pistol, but it looks terrible.

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thats terrible we got offered the m-4's.i turned mine down because i can buy one in texas for $800 dollars withot the unit insignia of the unit im not very proud to serve under,infact if any unit spelld potg mine did.

For a Springfield XD, I can find green lasers that fit on the rail and red laser grips, but I'm looking for a green laser grip....and no one has it

MoSurveyor said:

R2-D2! Not much good in civilian life, though - at least I don't know of any applications.

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Roger that. Ain't much a job market in civilian world for shooting **** out of the sky.

LaMidRighter said:

Wow. Is he considered unstable or is he so detestible that they worry someone will kill him?

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I really don't think they are worried about what anyone can do to him. They are more worried about what he could do with a staple or a ball point pen. It's their ballpark, their rules. I won't be alone. No worries. Fear has a scent. Some humans are VERY perceptive to it. That's the scent I want to smell from HIM. Not the other way around.

Thunder said:

I have no doubt, that the law limiting handgun sales in Va to one per month, per person...reduced the flow of handguns to criminals.

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I have only purchased 4 new guns in the last 10 years.

Thunder said:

these "hassles", make it more difficult for criminals to get guns.

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Thunder, one would think so, hey? But honestly, and trust me on this, an honest man can get a gun easier illegally than he can legally. That holds true for the criminal. Ii would venture to say that even if the criminal COULD obtain a gun legally, they would opt for the illegal purchase because it's just much easier to do. And getting one legally ain't THAT hard. But illegal guns are still easier to obtain.

That's the irony. The guy who wants to do it right has to go through the line. The guys who don't give a **** about rules and regulations goes to the streets. No line in the street and it's usually cheaper. Sad but true bro.

Captain America said:

I really don't think they are worried about what anyone can do to him. They are more worried about what he could do with a staple or a ball point pen. It's their ballpark, their rules. I won't be alone. No worries. Fear has a scent. Some humans are VERY perceptive to it. That's the scent I want to smell from HIM. Not the other way around.

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Gotcha. Those loose cannons are a real bitch, you never know what they're gonna do.

I am focused and alert anytime I am in the presence of a convict or a parolee. Complancecy and comfort can make you late for dinner.

Some of the coolest people I have ever met were inmates. That is, half their brain was cool as ice water. But I always approach it that the other half of their brain was plotting to do what criminals habitually do. i sometimes hate their character but I always respect their mental capabilities. many are smarter than me. Knowing that, however, gives me a leg up.

It's a lot different these days though. I no longer am willing to fight, bully, or run after anybody. I'm this far from the gate. I just want to do my job as good or better than anyone around me, go home, and come back to work the next day. I want to do that until I can close on my beach property in Tarpon Springs. Then, all those ghetto piss stenched county jail elevators and and government disinfectant hallways can kiss my ass goodbye.

TurtleDude said:

Nothing will stop crime but there is absolutely no evidence that gun laws that hassle honest people only (magazine restrictions, guns per month, etc only hassle honest people since criminals are already banned from owning guns) prevent any crime The best someone could prove is that some suicides among one of many age cohorts may have been lessened by a waiting period.


we on the other hand can prove that guns are used all the time to stop criminal attacks and that gun laws that target honest people do infringe on our rights

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Then you should listen to what the claims are. Please point to where I said banning guns would end crime.

And no, you can't prove that. You think you can, because a few causal relationship error filled reports tell you that, but they don't hold up (hint look up causal relationship fallacy).

So, to recap, you inaccurately guess at my claim, which is odd because it means you have either not read what you quoted, or the meaning escapes you. And secondly, you don't know the weakness in your own claim.

But, go ahead, throw an insult about how dumb everyone else is.

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You assholes quit being assholes. We're all cool peep's here. A difference of opinion on guns is no reason not to go have a beer. Lighten the **** up or I'm gonna hold my breath! No wait..... Nevermind.

But, seriously, I try to keep my declarations within my area of expertise. I would recommend everyone consider doing the same. Know where you are at on the "topic authority" food chain and unless yo are at the top, realize there might be something cool you can learn. No need for ill feelings. Seriously?

Tomorrow I'm gonna wear my referree shirt. Buncha Bozo's! LOL!

Boo Radley said:

Then you should listen to what the claims are. Please point to where I said banning guns would end crime.

And no, you can't prove that. You think you can, because a few causal relationship error filled reports tell you that, but they don't hold up (hint look up causal relationship fallacy).

So, to recap, you inaccurately guess at my claim, which is odd because it means you have either not read what you quoted, or the meaning escapes you. And secondly, you don't know the weakness in your own claim.

But, go ahead, throw an insult about how dumb everyone else is.

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did your just fancyfy all your words and use so many so to do the exact same thing if you had just said "no turdle dude your wrong"


never get why liberals think talking more like a college grad makes their point more or less valid.

beerftw said:

did your just fancyfy all your words and use so many so the exact same this if you had just sai "no turdle dude your wrong"


never get why liberals think talking more like a college grad makes their point more or less valid.

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I always enjoy the art of rhetoric and writing elequence regardless of one's political lean.

True, some folks can say in 10 words or less what it takes some others all day to say. I get that. But what fun is that on a long trail ride?