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Guns

What do you think gun control should be like?

  • Let everyone have a gun

    Votes: 19 22.4%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    Votes: 25 29.4%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    Votes: 11 12.9%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    Votes: 17 20.0%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    Votes: 5 5.9%
  • No guns at all

    Votes: 8 9.4%

  • Total voters
    85
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Lets start with something very very simple. If there were no guns in America, NOT A SINGLE ONE - how many illegal gun killings would we have each year?

I hear ya but I ask you, "If the bear didn't stop to take a ****, would he have caught the rabbit?"

You ask, what does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

I ask the same thing. Are you suggesting that you know a magic spell that would eliminate guns and erase every memory of any memory of a gun or the very thoughts of creating and manufactoring them. If so, I'm with you.

BUT...... that's in la-la land dream world. The FACTS are, there are guns. Lot's of 'em. I didn't start the fire. Don't shoot the messenger.

I don't care to debate what-if's. Maybe when I've had a bowl or two. But right now I'm in real world.
 
Well Mr. Pro-Second amendment. The answer is simple, this is a ridiculous hypothetical with no bearing on reality and even countries with ZERO TOLERANCE gun policies have gun crime.

Why are you afraid to give an honest answer? If there were no guns in America - NOT A SINGLE ONE - how many gun killings would we have each year in the USA?

anyone?
 
yes, but much less than the USA, as its much more difficult for criminals to get a gun.

let's be honest: if all guns were illegal in the USA...gun crime would go waaaaaaay down.
And yet the overall murder rate in most countries is higher than the U.S. per capita. Care to try again?
 
I hear ya but I ask you, "If the bear didn't stop to take a ****, would he have caught the rabbit?"

You ask, what does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

I ask the same thing. Are you suggesting that you know a magic spell that would eliminate guns and erase every memory of any memory of a gun or the very thoughts of creating and manufactoring them. If so, I'm with you.

BUT...... that's in la-la land dream world. The FACTS are, there are guns. Lot's of 'em. I didn't start the fire. Don't shoot the messenger.

I don't care to debate what-if's. Maybe when I've had a bowl or two. But right now I'm in real world.

You miss the point. Please answer the question and I will explain why this is crucial.
 
I'm sorry but that doesn't hold. We can't even keep a 150# Mexican from crossing the border, what makes you think we can stop a 150# Mexican with a gun?

You also miss the point. Please answer the question and I will develop it into a case with a huge payoff in the end.
 
yes, but much less than the USA, as its much more difficult for criminals to get a gun.

let's be honest: if all guns were illegal in the USA...gun crime would go waaaaaaay down.

Like it did in prohibition?

that was really stupid Thunder

banning guns would create a black market far worse than the drug war and prohibition created

plus lots of people would refuse to hand in their guns and become "criminals"
 
Why are you afraid to give an honest answer? If there were no guns in America - NOT A SINGLE ONE - how many gun killings would we have each year in the USA?

anyone?
Why would I answer this? It's a hypothetical and a useless one at that, there is no un-inventing the gun, in the absence of a gun there are millions of potential alternative weapons available, humans die fine without being shot. You don't know **** about the subject so I refuse to let you try to control the conversation.
 
MOre oozing idiocy in that post. There is no right to possess crack cocaine in this country yet its all over the place

You engage in the stupidity of assuming if guns were banned-or at least not protected, killers wouldn't get them

and you complain when I note you are ignorant about this subject?

Why are you impotent to answer the question?

If there were no guns in America - not a single one - how many gun killings would we have in the USA each year?
 
Why are you afraid to give an honest answer? If there were no guns in America - NOT A SINGLE ONE - how many gun killings would we have each year in the USA?

anyone?



More stupidity. You go from saying if the right didn't exist there would be no guns to pretending there could be a society where guns disappeared. Of course if there were NO guns there would be no gunshot deaths just like saying if there was no cancer no one would die of cancer

but that pie in the sky assumption has no merit. Guns are all over this world and the last I checked the USA is the only one with a second amendment. Mexico has tons of guns

so you are changing the parameters and you are being dishonest about it
 
Why would I answer this? It's a hypothetical and a useless one at that, there is no un-inventing the gun, in the absence of a gun there are millions of potential alternative weapons available, humans die fine without being shot. You don't know **** about the subject so I refuse to let you try to control the conversation.

Then prove me wrong and answer the question.

What are you afraid of?

I strongly suspect that you already know the answer and dare not walk down that alley.

So prove me wrong. Answer the question.
 
More stupidity. You go from saying if the right didn't exist there would be no guns to pretending there could be a society where guns disappeared. Of course if there were NO guns there would be no gunshot deaths just like saying if there was no cancer no one would die of cancer

but that pie in the sky assumption has no merit. Guns are all over this world and the last I checked the USA is the only one with a second amendment. Mexico has tons of guns

so you are changing the parameters and you are being dishonest about it

I never said that.

Why are you so afraid to answer a simple question?
 
Why are you impotent to answer the question?

If there were no guns in America - not a single one - how many gun killings would we have in the USA each year?



That is a stupid question that has no relevance to reality

You are trying to pretend that the only reason why there are guns in this nation is due to a right you despise

that has been proven false by the fact that other countries have tons of guns and no second amendment
 
You miss the point. Please answer the question and I will explain why this is crucial.

Perhaps I am missing the point as it appears you are missing mine as well.

I think I understand what you are getting at. And I will play along. I am all about trying to get along.

Obviously, if there was never a gun/weapon/firearm created there would be no gun/weapon/firearm casualties. I'm sorry, but "Duh?"

What's next? What's your point. School me bro.
 
That is a stupid question that has no relevance to reality

You are trying to pretend that the only reason why there are guns in this nation is due to a right you despise

that has been proven false by the fact that other countries have tons of guns and no second amendment

But it does. Why are you impotent or afraid to answer one simple question?

If there were no guns in America - not a single one - how many gun killings would we have each year in the USA?
 
Then prove me wrong and answer the question.

What are you afraid of?

I strongly suspect that you already know the answer and dare not walk down that alley.

So prove me wrong. Answer the question.
Why should I entertain you? The obvious answer is none, but since that isn't possible it's a very stupid question so then I turn it around and ask YOU. Why would you disarm the law abiding in a world where guns are prevalent? Which is what you are arguing for.
 
Perhaps I am missing the point as it appears you are missing mine as well.

I think I understand what you are getting at. And I will play along. I am all about trying to get along.

Obviously, if there was never a gun/weapon/firearm created there would be no gun/weapon/firearm casualties. I'm sorry, but "Duh?"

What's next? What's your point. School me bro.

thank you.

And if there was but one gun in America. How hard would it be to keep track of that one single gun and make sure it was not involved in a crime?

What about just one gun in each state where we knew where it was? How hard would that be to keep track of and make sure it was not used illegally?

Now where is the tipping point gentlemen? Where is the tipping point where we go from being able to control this and where we have significant amounts of collateral damage like we did with Columbine, with Virginia Tech with Ohio and with too many other places to list?

Where is the tipping point gentlemen?
 
And what right permits the nation to go beyond that tipping point?
 
But it does. Why are you impotent or afraid to answer one simple question?

If there were no guns in America - not a single one - how many gun killings would we have each year in the USA?

If I think I understand what you are getting at, I think I might have already addressed it post #810.

I wrote:
Look, in a pefect world, we would not be having this discussion because none of us would have even heard of a gun. Necessity being the mother of all invention, take away necessity and you remove invention. But you can't put toothpaste back into the tube.
 
But it does. Why are you impotent or afraid to answer one simple question?

If there were no guns in America - not a single one - how many gun killings would we have each year in the USA?



its a stupid question I have already answered

there is absolutely no merit that idiocy because we know that even if there were no gun rights recognized by our laws and constitution there would still be guns in this nation as there are in at least a hundred other countries that have no right to KBA
 
they have lots of rifles...not handguns.

BS, they have tons of handguns Hammerli and SIG are Swiss companies that sell lots of handguns to Swiss citizens
 
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