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Guns

What do you think gun control should be like?

  • Let everyone have a gun

    Votes: 19 22.4%

  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    Votes: 25 29.4%

  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    Votes: 11 12.9%

  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    Votes: 17 20.0%

  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    Votes: 5 5.9%

  • No guns at all

    Votes: 8 9.4%
  • Total voters
    85
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Boo Radley said:
Think Rubby ridge. Or any number of individuals agaisnt the government. Out numbered and overrun.
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Ruby Ridge is a bad example. It took place out in the woods. The government took 360 degree attack position on the cabin. An urban environment the government would have 360 degree threat environment. Ruby ridge also featured small numbers of government agencies. I never said people wouldn't die. But the occupational force would loose many troops, morale would drop as sniper fire, bombs, and all kinds of demoralizing attacks occured. Vietnam? Iraq? The invasion of these kinds of places cannot be done in full scale. The bigger the occupationa force is...the bigger the target becomes. You don't have to kill every soldier to kill an army. You can kill the morale and a few politicians and that will end an occupation fast.
 
Chiefgator said:
I don't want to derail the discussion, but it is perfectly legal to carry in a liquor store in FLorida. The law you state is for establishments that sell liquor for Consumption on the Premises. You state may be different. You might want to check.

Agree with all of your other statements however.
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Yep. You can carry into an airport as well in Florida. Just not past security. The law is that it must be a place of consumption of alcohol, and alcohol MUST be the primary reason for the existence of the establishment. So applebees don't count lol;
 
stonewall50 said:
Ruby Ridge is a bad example. It took place out in the woods. The government took 360 degree attack position on the cabin. An urban environment the government would have 360 degree threat environment. Ruby ridge also featured small numbers of government agencies. I never said people wouldn't die. But the occupational force would loose many troops, morale would drop as sniper fire, bombs, and all kinds of demoralizing attacks occured. Vietnam? Iraq? The invasion of these kinds of places cannot be done in full scale. The bigger the occupationa force is...the bigger the target becomes. You don't have to kill every soldier to kill an army. You can kill the morale and a few politicians and that will end an occupation fast.
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Read the rest of what I said.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I prefer more Gun education than more Gun control.
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Great if this works and great if men are shown how NOT to use a gun....How to self defend without killing others..The Conservatives here must remember that its 2012 not 1612...0r 1912..
 
Boo Radley said:
Is there an issue here? The question is what I think gun control should be. I stated that early on and merely follow the discussion as it goes.

But I have no disdain for gun owners, responsible gun owners. I have disdain for the mythology, the magical almost religious reverence some hold towards guns. There is a difference.

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so you have disdain for a mainly fictional attitude that is mostly a nonexistent phenomenon of leftwing creative thinking
 
earthworm said:
Great if this works and great if men are shown how NOT to use a gun....How to self defend without killing others..The Conservatives here must remember that its 2012 not 1612...0r 1912..
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that's a really stupid comment. self defense is as important today as it was 100 years ago.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's a really stupid comment. self defense is as important today as it was 100 years ago.
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People are people TD, and we die just as easily today as any other time period. I don't know how people don't get that.
 
earthworm said:
Great if this works and great if men are shown how NOT to use a gun....How to self defend without killing others..The Conservatives here must remember that its 2012 not 1612...0r 1912..
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Army Combatives works towards 2 goals:

To controle the opponant until your buddy arives with a gun, and to always work to return to your primary weapon, which is also a gun.

Unfortunantly this doesn't translate very well in the civilian world, because while in the militery we draw our weapon at the onset of conflict, as a civilian we have to ramp up force before unholstering.

Pressure points are a fantastic way to quickly learn efective self defence; but remember that pressure points only work when you issue a command. If you don't give a command you'll just piss the guy off and he'll beat the **** out of you.
 
LaMidRighter said:
People are people TD, and we die just as easily today as any other time period. I don't know how people don't get that.
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they seem immune to news reports and other obvious bits of evidence.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's a really stupid comment. self defense is as important today as it was 100 years ago.
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Yeah self defence is important but how abt this scenario? - latest news

(CNN) -- A fired employee of Episcopal High School in Jacksonville, Florida, returned to the school Tuesday, shot and killed the headmistress and then killed himself, authorities said.

The gunman, who was terminated earlier in the day and carried an assault rifle in a guitar case, went to the office of Headmistress Dale Regan, Undersheriff Dwain Senterfitt with the Jackonsville Sheriff's Office told reporters.
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2 adults dead in Florida high school shooting - CNN.com
 
Boo Radley said:
But I don't pretend it represents reality, as some here are.
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I don't think anyone here believes it's reality. We were discussing the general subject and my brain produced that movie title as an obvious relation even if it is fiction. Had we been discussing aliens any number of movies would have made the list from Close Encounters to AVP, depending on the details of our discussion.


Fail Safe has more drama but is a very good movie as well.
 
Boo Radley said:
Do you really think no one would be able to get such in that situation? Our army would just fall aside, with no one having access or getting any of those weapons?

Seriously, having your small arms is meaningless. I'm just saying, the mythology doesn't add up any more.
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What are you talking about? "be able to get such in that situation?" ? And what about the military falling aside? There is no doubt our military kicks ass, but in the unlikely event something incredibly bad happens, do you really think civilians with weapons will be worthless and meaningless? Really? That seems ridiculous.
 
Andalublue said:
I'm sure that's true, but why has there not therefore been a constitutional amendment? Either the constitution is the ultimate statement of rights or it isn't, surely.
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It's not a statement of rights at all.
 
Porchev said:
What are you talking about? "be able to get such in that situation?" ? And what about the military falling aside? There is no doubt our military kicks ass, but in the unlikely event something incredibly bad happens, do you really think civilians with weapons will be worthless and meaningless? Really? That seems ridiculous.
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Largely, yes. if the military couldn't take them, which is unlikely, and we don't have access to any of their weapons, well, it would not be pretty. I suppose we could be Palestine, but I'd rather have a better plan.
 
RDS said:
Yeah self defence is important but how abt this scenario? - latest news



2 adults dead in Florida high school shooting - CNN.com
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well since Florida has the death penalty and short of breaking someone on the wheel or impaling them on a stake, the DP is the most severe deterrent we have but if a guy plans on killing himself the only way to stop him from killing others is to kill him first

let me guess, the Headmistress didn't have a weapon
 
TurtleDude said:
shooting a killer is not murder

try again
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if you hunt a murderer down, and shoot him in the head, you too are now a murderer.

only police have the right & authority to apprehend criminal suspects.

the ONLY legal way one can apprehend a criminal suspect, is if you yourself actually witness the crime taking place.

then you can detain him..and even kill him if its necessary to save lives.
 
Thunder said:
if you hunt a murderer down, and shoot him in the head, you too are now a murderer.

only police have the right & authority to apprehend criminal suspects.

the ONLY legal way one can apprehend a criminal suspect, is if you yourself actually witness the crime taking place.

then you can detain him..and even kill him if its necessary to save lives.
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Uh that's what I thin he was saying
 
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