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Guns

What do you think gun control should be like?

  • Let everyone have a gun

    Votes: 19 22.4%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    Votes: 25 29.4%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    Votes: 11 12.9%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    Votes: 17 20.0%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    Votes: 5 5.9%
  • No guns at all

    Votes: 8 9.4%

  • Total voters
    85
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This is amazing watching you continue to post YOU ARE WRONG but are utterly impotent to find one thing that I am factually wrong about. You claim to be such a expert on this topic of the Second Amendment. So go and tell me what I am factually wrong about.

But you have been proven impotent to do so and even now you admit you cannot do it because you do not even have the good sense nor intellectual integrtity to read what you claim you are passing judgment upon. That is a pretty sorry excuse for debate.
See, I read about a sentence and got bored. You really want me to put more time into this? Because if I have to correct every mistake you've made I promise to make it embarrasing.
 
the dishonesty was the idiotic claim that crime victims are the "heroes" of the second amendment. That claim will rank forever as one of the most putrid ever seen on this board

Do you know the difference is OPINION and FACT Turtle? It is my opinion that these three youngsters were indeed heroes of the Second Amendment and should be memorialized as such. They paid the ultimate price. We honor slain innocents in the tradition of Columbine with their memorial, Virginia Tech with theirs, Oklahoma City with theirs, the Pentagon with theirs, and NY City with theirs. And that only scratches the surface.

Why are you against memorializing the slain innocents.
 
See, I read about a sentence and got bored. You really want me to put more time into this? Because if I have to correct every mistake you've made I promise to make it embarrasing.

If you think you are able, by all means do.
 
Wrong-lets see

1) claiming to be pro second amendment while trying to saddle upon everyone of us who supports the right, the blood of dead children

2) pretending that our rights are what cost those victims their lives

3) pretending that but for our right TKBA there would be less murders

1- I never did that.
2- I never said that. Where are you getting this from. Quote me please.
3- If there were no cars, would there be less traffic deaths?

Again, you as a self proclaimed "pure good" advocate are impotent to discuss this subject with any intellectual objectivity. If you cannot see that something on balance can come out on the positive side but still have problems and negatives, that is something that is beyond debate with a person who holds such extremist views.
 
Do you know the difference is OPINION and FACT Turtle? It is my opinion that these three youngsters were indeed heroes of the Second Amendment and should be memorialized as such. They paid the ultimate price. We honor slain innocents in the tradition of Columbine with their memorial, Virginia Tech with theirs, Oklahoma City with theirs, the Pentagon with theirs, and NY City with theirs. And that only scratches the surface.

Why are you against memorializing the slain innocents.

and that opinion is why I call you anti second amendment

Its akin to someone saying "Jews are all money grubbing Scrooges" and then denying that one is anti semitic.

and slain innocents are not "heroes" of the second amendment



they are VICTIMS of CRIME
 
1- I never did that.
2- I never said that. Where are you getting this from. Quote me please.
3- If there were no cars, would there be less traffic deaths?

Again, you as a self proclaimed "pure good" advocate are impotent to discuss this subject with any intellectual objectivity. If you cannot see that something on balance can come out on the positive side but still have problems and negatives, that is something that is beyond debate with a person who holds such extremist views.


I am not stupid enough to quote something that has been flushed so you can whine about me violating "the Las Vegas Rule
 
and that opinion is why I call you anti second amendment

Its akin to someone saying "Jews are all money grubbing Scrooges" and then denying that one is anti semitic.

and slain innocents are not "heroes" of the second amendment



they are VICTIMS of CRIME

No this is this - this is not something else. My opinion on honoring the dead with a memorial in no way shape or form fundamentally or materially changes the rights of one gun owner. And even you know that.

So please quote me where I wanted or advocated taking away Second Amendment rights. So far you have been impotent to do so.
 
I am not stupid enough to quote something that has been flushed so you can whine about me violating "the Las Vegas Rule

So why did you dishonestly bring it up knowing that you can lie about it and then hide behind your rule?
 
No this is this - this is not something else. My opinion on honoring the dead with a memorial in no way shape or form fundamentally or materially changes the rights of one gun owner. And even you know that.

So please quote me where I wanted or advocated taking away Second Amendment rights. So far you have been impotent to do so.

Are you serious? Its obvious to everyone (including you) that you think these people are heroes rather than the proper term VICTIMS-because they died so we could have our rights. that is idiotic

what makes them heroes? did they willingly die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves?

Its as moronic as claiming some kid who got squashed in a crossing walk by a drunk driver is a HERO of the repeal of prohibition
 
So why did you dishonestly bring it up knowing that you can lie about it and then hide behind your rule?


anyone think I am lying? we all know what everyone said
 
They meet regularly, train in tactics, organize, oh and have you forgotten about the weapons they brandished at the polling place in '08? They are a militia....

not according to the Constitution of the USA, and the Militia Act of 1792, they ain't.
 
Are you serious? Its obvious to everyone (including you) that you think these people are heroes rather than the proper term VICTIMS-because they died so we could have our rights. that is idiotic

what makes them heroes? did they willingly die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves?

Its as moronic as claiming some kid who got squashed in a crossing walk by a drunk driver is a HERO of the repeal of prohibition

Did the people at the Columbine school willingly die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves? They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

Did the people at Virginia Teach willingly die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves? They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

Did the people of the Oklahoma City bombing die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves? They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

Did those who died in the Twin Towers on 911 die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves. They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

The 'moronic' thing - to use your own characterization - seems to be your denial in the face of so much overwhelming evidence.
 
not according to the Constitution of the USA, and the Militia Act of 1792, they ain't.
There you go again, missapplyiing what those amendments and acts meant. Did you forget the lesson from earlier? They are the textbook definition of militias, they are legally militias. You are wrong.
 
anyone think I am lying? we all know what everyone said

In college did they teach you about the debate fallacy known as Argumentum ad populum?
 
Did the people at the Columbine school willingly die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves? They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

Did the people at Virginia Teach willingly die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves? They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

Did the people of the Oklahoma City bombing die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves? They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

Did those who died in the Twin Towers on 911 die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves. They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

The 'moronic' thing - to use your own characterization - seems to be your denial in the face of so much overwhelming evidence.

those students for the most part were not heroes. Innocent victims. Now if someone tried to prevent the killers from killing others then yes-like the teacher at VTech who died trying to prevent the murderer from getting into a room with students. Maybe the girl at columbine who said something along the line that she would pray for the scumbag killers

and your pathetic attempts to claim your desire is equivalent to the memorials to victims are patently dishonest

If you claimed you want a memorial to murdered students fine. however linking their deaths to the second amendment is idiotic

its the same thing as saying the 9-11 victims are HEROES OF OUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM or Islam because Muslims are allowed freedoms in this nation. Obviously such a statement would quickly be seen as seething bigotry against Islam
 
In college did they teach you about the debate fallacy known as Argumentum ad populum?


You really don't want to get into this and it has no relevance. You do that all the time when you appeal to the masses to support your tax the rich more nonsense
 
There you go again, missapplyiing what those amendments and acts meant. Did you forget the lesson from earlier? They are the textbook definition of militias, they are legally militias. You are wrong.


you are talking about "militias", as in private armies.

I am talking about "MILITIA"...as in the ones prescribed in our Constitution.

please, show me how private armies, that are not sworn to uphold the Constitution of the USA, and are not willing & able to be trained, supervised, disciplined by a State selected Officer....and are not willing & able to be activated by the government to defend the country from outside enemies and put down insurrections, is legal?
 
You really don't want to get into this and it has no relevance. You do that all the time when you appeal to the masses to support your tax the rich more nonsense

And why not? You keep insisting that some here agree with you - as if it makes the slightest bit of difference.

In college did they teach you about the debate fallacy known as Argumentum ad populum? I remember you stated that you were NOT a member of the college debate team so perhaps this important area of instructing you in the common fallacies of debate was neglected.

Did you learn it. And if so, why do you engage in it?
 
And why not? You keep insisting that some here agree with you - as if it makes the slightest bit of difference.

In college did they teach you about the debate fallacy known as Argumentum ad populum? I remember you stated that you were NOT a member of the college debate team so perhaps this important area of instructing you in the common fallacies of debate was neglected.

Did you learn it. And if so, why do you engage in it?


I don't think this is the place to compare our respective college resumes. You know the place we can do that if you wish.

I was part of the team for the Yale Political Union that won every debate on campus that year including a complete destruction of the so called "varsity debating team". The topic was the second amendment BTW
 
Uh really? I call bs on that

even if lots of people have no idea what "hero" means

It matters not what you call and what you do not. Visit the memorials and see for yourself. Or is your opinion more important than those who built those monuments and memorials and called them heroes?
 
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I don't think this is the place to compare our respective college resumes. You know the place we can do that if you wish.

I was part of the team for the Yale Political Union that won every debate on campus that year including a complete destruction of the so called "varsity debating team". The topic was the second amendment BTW

Sure it is. The proof of that is in the evidence you yourself give in your own posts. Did you learn what the fallacy known as Argumentum ad populum is and if so why do you engage in it knowing it is bogus?

I am sure intramural activities have a certain level of enjoyment for the participants.
 
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It matters not what you call and what you do not. Visit the memorials and see for yourself. Or is your opinion more important than those who built those monuments and memorials and called them heroes?

lets get back to the idiocy of calling victims of criminals heroes of the SECOND AMENDMENT

were the victims of 9-11 heroes of TOLERANCE OF ISLAM

Columbine-HEROES OF GOTH?
 
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