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Who do you support for 2012?

  • Mitt Romney

    Votes: 2 6.7%

  • Rick Santorum

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Newt Gingrich

    Votes: 1 3.3%

  • Ron Paul

    Votes: 11 36.7%

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 16 53.3%
  • Total voters
    30
OhIsee.Then said:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio did an in depth investigation of Obama's birth certificate. Just announced today. I understand that his mother was found not to be a citizen of the US. Apparently they went to Hawaii and found his forgery in the states bound birth certificates and that apparently the Republican Governor had it inserted there. And Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his volunteers did this on their dime and didn't charge the Arizona government anything. I guess we'll be succeeding form the US until we have a valid president. I'm so glad we'er past racial bias and now have the truth.
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You are funny:)
 
cthomp said:
lol where theres the obvious problem. How is the rest of the world's monetary system backed?
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Don't think for a second that they don't have the same problem.

OhIsee.Then said:
An African I worked with was discriminated against.
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Everyone - regardless of race, gender, color, sex, socio-economic background, education, or any infinite other number of qualifiers - is discriminated against. This is a fact of human life. Thankfully, a highly integrated and interdependent society frowns upon this behavior.

specklebang said:
I think you'll be amazed. Most of our cans have been bouncing along as far as I can remember, about 50 something years. Same story, different day. We've gotten away with it so long that nobody even knows the combination any more.
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Without hijacking this thread, the premise is that when Nixon closed the gold window in '71 he effectively declared bankruptcy for the U.S. government. At this point in time, the dollar was no longer backed by any scarce commodity and was simply declared valuable by virtue of being the legal tender fiat currency of the United States. Up until this point the overall debt levels were limited by physical assets backing up the IOUs. Now we simply declare an IOU as allegedly real money which it most certainly is not.
 
"Without hijacking this thread, the premise is that when Nixon closed the gold window in '71 he effectively declared bankruptcy for the U.S. government. At this point in time, the dollar was no longer backed by any scarce commodity and was simply declared valuable by virtue of being the legal tender fiat currency of the United States. Up until this point the overall debt levels were limited by physical assets backing up the IOUs. Now we simply declare an IOU as allegedly real money which it most certainly is not."End Quote


That's not correct. As long as the money can purchase real tangible products i.e. gold, silver, timber, land, corporations, buildings, etc., then if functions as money. As confidence is lowered in the money, it takes more money to buy the same asset. That is why the Fed Heads, Treasury, Banks, etc., all always pumping "confidence" through the "Mighty Wurlitzer." It is a confidence game. Try that with your own money.
 
cthomp said:
I think his foreign policy is great. We need to mind our own business. Cutting Foreign aid would save the US a lot of money. I would rather have smaller government rather than the socialist state were headed towards. He would repeal Obamacare, which I am strongly against. He supports the second amendment and as a gun owner I feel is a strong factor considering Obama and Romney's voting record towards gun control. He would bring the troops home and pull our troops out of every other country. We should not be policing the world especially with our economic crisis going on now. He is the only honest politician in the race. He stands for freedom and isn't a puppet for the large corporations as is Gingrich, Romney and Obama. I don't know about you, but I enjoy freedom and it is slowly being stripped of us. As for Santorum, he is a religious fanatic that would create world war 3. Who do you support and why?
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Oh great. Someone who actually support Paul's foreign policy. What an excitement
 
cthomp said:
Exactly my thinking. Anyone saying his foreign policy is isolationism hasn't been watching the debates. He says get our bases out of foreign countries and in stead of forcing ourselves on others we should talk to them. Not go into other countries attempt to overthrow their government and tell the people the way their government should be. Why is it ok for us to do it, but if the people of a country go to another country and attempt to make it communist its not ok? Very hypocritical. The golden rule makes complete sense. If Iran had military bases over here we would be doing the same thing they are. As for his his electability, the caucuses being held are very fishy. Announcing winners before the votes are counted. Trying to steal Paul's votes. Turning the lights out as they collect the ballots instead of doing a public vote such as they have in the past. He has the most support of any other candidate including Obama from active duty military. I would say him not being electable is bs. Time for the media to give us the news not make their own.



This makes no sense. I though your suppose to vote for who you thought would be the best president not against a party just because you don't like them?



I'm just going to pray you are kidding about the 90% 60% standards.
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Great, a media conspiracy, then an approval of Paul's foreign policy.
I can't understand how people in one country would want every other country to have the same chances as one's own. One should want what's best for that person's country, not just whine how other countries can't spread influence
 
Proud South Korean said:
Great, a media conspiracy, then an approval of Paul's foreign policy.
I can't understand how people in one country would want every other country to have the same chances as one's own. One should want what's best for that person's country, not just whine how other countries can't spread influence
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We're patriots, not nationalistic misanthropists.
 
Originally Posted by DaveFagan
"In another post, I stated I would vote for Ron Paul if he runs as an independent or Libertarian. I vote for Obama if Paul runs as a Republican."END QUOTE


"This makes no sense. I though your suppose to vote for who you thought would be the best president not against a party just because you don't like them?"END QUOTE

Are you naive enough to think that Ron Paul would not have an IOU to the Republican Machine that would get him elected? Do you actually think Politicians don't have to serve their benefactors. The Repubs represent the 1%. To quote Bill Maher roughly, " if you're poor and vote Republican, you're stupid." Seems clear to me. Paul's war policies, gold policies, and overall common sense ring clearly in my ears, but he'd be forced to change those stances by the Party Machine. You know, our politicians are bought and sold, and that includes Obama.
 
Proud South Korean said:
So how do you differ between those two? I am actually a nationalist.
Tell me how wanting to give other countries an equal chance is being a patriot
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I'm proud of the ideals which my country represents; I would not be a patriot if my country were any other. One of those ideals is a belief in human (not American) dignity, which war is destructive of. A war of true self-defense is the only circumstance where I will support the United States in wartime.
 
DaveFagan said:
Are you naive enough to think that Ron Paul would not have an IOU to the Republican Machine that would get him elected? Do you actually think Politicians don't have to serve their benefactors. The Repubs represent the 1%. To quote Bill Maher roughly, " if you're poor and vote Republican, you're stupid." Seems clear to me. Paul's war policies, gold policies, and overall common sense ring clearly in my ears, but he'd be forced to change those stances by the Party Machine. You know, our politicians are bought and sold, and that includes Obama.
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I am aware of this. That is how the whole system is corrupt. Ron Paul is the most honest, consistent, and least corrupt candidate in the campaign. His highest support comes from the military not some big corporation.
 
DaveFagan said:
As long as the money can purchase real tangible products i.e. gold, silver, timber, land, corporations, buildings, etc., then if functions as money.
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This would be currency. Money is a store of value while currency is simply the physical method of enacting trade (i.e. medium of exchange). You essentially agreed with me if we ignore the improper usage of terms.

Proud South Korean said:
I can't understand how people in one country would want every other country to have the same chances as one's own. One should want what's best for that person's country, not just whine how other countries can't spread influence
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It's called peaceable cooperation. When everyone plays by the same rules and treats each other with mutual respect then everyone benefits. When certain groups attempt to take more than they otherwise would be able through the use of force or coercion then everyone is penalized and even those on the receiving end of plundered loot do not benefit to the extent they otherwise would with cooperation.
 
DaveFagan said:
Originally Posted by DaveFagan
"In another post, I stated I would vote for Ron Paul if he runs as an independent or Libertarian. I vote for Obama if Paul runs as a Republican."END QUOTE


"This makes no sense. I though your suppose to vote for who you thought would be the best president not against a party just because you don't like them?"END QUOTE

Are you naive enough to think that Ron Paul would not have an IOU to the Republican Machine that would get him elected? Do you actually think Politicians don't have to serve their benefactors. The Repubs represent the 1%. To quote Bill Maher roughly, " if you're poor and vote Republican, you're stupid." Seems clear to me. Paul's war policies, gold policies, and overall common sense ring clearly in my ears, but he'd be forced to change those stances by the Party Machine. You know, our politicians are bought and sold, and that includes Obama.
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You are talking about a man who has been consistent in his message for decades. There is a reason he is unpopular with the Republican establishment and it's not because he is too agreeable with them. To suggest that he would flip-flop on his ideals just because he is elected President is laughable. Hell, there are those who would argue that he is uncompromising to a fault. I think out of all the candidates (this includes Obama) he has definitely been the most unflappable in his ideals.
 
"Now we simply declare an IOU as allegedly real money which it most certainly is not."

No, I don't agree with you. The US $100 dollar bills are IOUs from us to whoever holds them. When they come back to this country and are used to buy genuine stores of value, the worm turns.
 
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